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  • Report:  #247219

Complaint Review: GM Cardmember Services - HSBC Bank Nevada - Salinas California

Reported By:
- Burt, New York,
Submitted:
Updated:

GM Cardmember Services - HSBC Bank Nevada
https://www.gmextendedfamily.com/GMExtendedFamily/index.jsp Salinas, 93912-0082 California, U.S.A.
Phone:
800-419-6698
Web:
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We applied for the GM Extended Family Card due to their promise of 0% APR. Upon activating this card, the gentleman we spoke to offer to transfer our other credit card balances at 0%. We declined for the time being. When we received our 'Welcome Kit', we found 'convenience checks' and used one to pay off the balance of our other credit card, as it would have a 0%APR.

This weekend, I received my statement in the mail and noticed a $55.70 fee for a balance transfer. We called customer service were told that this charge is a 'one time' fee. I told her this was a scam and asked to speak to her supervisor. She told me 'she will only tell you the same thing I did' and did not transfer me to the supervisor.

After ending the call, I retrieved my current statement and 'terms and conditions'. After reading through the APR information, I found "other APR" information. Introductory Balance Transfer 0%...with a reference to 'see #2 below'.

#2 stated-The Introductory Balance Transfer APR applies to Balance Transfer Checks through the first 12 billing cycles.

There was NO mention of this 'one time' fee the woman told me about on the phone. Upon further scrutiny however, I did find information about a 3% charge for advances by Balance Transfers requested at the time of application by pone & Internet, if applicable, and on checks included in the Welcome Package. This information was located under CASH ADVANCE FEE.

Under this heading I found CASH ADVANCE FEE, LATE PAYMENT FEE, and OVERLIMIT FEE all in BOLD print. This Balance Transfer was obviously meant to go unnoticed by the consumer.

I immediately emailed GM Card Services stating this same information and requested a refund of their hidden fee.

Today, I received this email response:

____________________________

Please accept our apology for any inconvenience you may have experienced.

Our goal is to ensure that all contacts are handled in a courteous and professional manner. We value you as a customer and hope to be able to provide you with superior service in the future.

Our records indicate that the balance transfer that posted to your account on 04/27/07 is subject to an interest rate of 0% for 12 billing cycles from the

account open date with a one time cash transaction fee of 3% or a minimum of $10.00, whichever is greater or a maximum of $99.00. Therefore, cash fee finance charge in the amount of $55.70 was assessed.

Unfortunately, we are unable to comply with your request to remove the cash advance fee from your account. According to your Cardmember Agreement and

Disclosure Statement, you agree to pay a cash advance fee on the amount of each cash advance. Cash advances include all advances made by cash over the counter, through an ATM, by check or any other cash-like transactions which will be determined by us.

You are important to us and we appreciate your business.

______________________

"or any other cash-like transactions which will be determined by us".

So...they decide which transactions are cash-like?

I also informed them that I will be contacting my Attorney General, the BBB, and also informing my fellow GM co-workers about their scam.

Do not fall for their trap! DO NOT use their 0% convenience checks for balance transfers believing you will not be charged!

Cheryl

Burt, New York
U.S.A.

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5 Updates & Rebuttals

Juliet

Birmingham,
Alabama,
U.S.A.
If you have a card that doesn't charge a balance transfer fee, KEEP IT

#2Consumer Comment

Wed, May 09, 2007

What does Alabama have to do with it? I lived in Minnesota when I first started receiving credit cards, and resided there for 14 years as an adult, and balance transfer fees were standard procedure then, as they are now. When I moved from Minnesota to Alabama, not a single thing changed in any of the Terms and Conditions of any of my credit cards, nor have I noticed anything unusual, favorable or unfavorable, based on the state in which I reside. The only difference is in how much the percentage amount has risen since I began using credit cards in the mid 80s. If you find a card that doesn't charge a balance transfer fee, THAT'S A GREAT CARD. Keep it. While some states do have special provisions for credit card holders in their state, Alabama isn't one of them, nor is Minnesota. If your state has special provisions for credit card holders, it's noted on the back of credit card applications and in statements.


Thomas

Anderson,
South Carolina,
U.S.A.
Just be sure that

#3Consumer Suggestion

Tue, May 08, 2007

you do not charge ANYTHING NEW to that GM card until you have satisfied (paid off) your 0% interest transfer balance. Otherwise you will learn that another stipulation buried in your GM CC agreement is that your payments are applied FIRST to your 0% interest transfer balance, and when that 0% balance is PAID OFF your payments are THEN applied to your new charges... meaning as your payments pay off that 0% balance your new charges simply sit there and cost you 12%, or 24%, or whatever, interest. Why transfer these balances? Why not just pay them off? Nothing in life is ever really free.


Darrell

Greensboro,
North Carolina,
U.S.A.
Why are you complaining?

#4Consumer Comment

Tue, May 08, 2007

The dollar amount of your balance transfer, assuming the fee was 3% like you said, was $1856.67 or so. Assuming you had that on another card with an APR of 2.99% fixed (unlikely, but possible), then you broke even the first month and save on the interest every month after that for the next 11 months. Unless your interest rate was 0.25% fixed (again, unlikely) then you saved more than you lost. Get over it, that fee is standard from bank to bank.


Cheryl

Burt,
New York,
U.S.A.
No charge with Bank of America

#5Author of original report

Mon, May 07, 2007

I realize this bank is not in Alabama, but I made a balance transfer from a Bank of America credit account a few months ago to pay off a different card. Bank of America did not charge me anything. I just believe HSBC should be more forthcoming about the fees.


Juliet

Birmingham,
Alabama,
U.S.A.
This is a normal charge

#6Consumer Comment

Mon, May 07, 2007

While I do feel for you in your confusion, Cheryl, this is the way I believe all credit cards operate. Whether you do a cash advance at the bank, or use a 'convenience check' to pay a bill OR transfer a balance, they all have a fee. I'm actually not aware, personally, of any way to do a balance transfer from one credit card to another without a balance transfer fee like the 3% GM charged.

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