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  • Report:  #483132

Complaint Review: Ifloor.com / Smooth Corporation - Tukwila Washington

Reported By:
Lv2pahoa - Pahoa, Hawaii, USA
Submitted:
Updated:

Ifloor.com / Smooth Corporation
17616 West Valley Hwy Tukwila, 98188 Washington, United States of America
Phone:
2064383025
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Aloha,
 Fair warning-this message warns ALL parties to NOT purchase from the "NEW" iFloor.com, whose new company name is Longhau USA DBA iFloor.com! Here is the story, from purchase to present. I was referred to iFloor.com by friends who have used the product, installed the product in their own home and in four other homes they have either built or worked on. The product I bought was ALLOC Floor Santos Mahogany. It was perfect as to the color I was seeking, the type of laminate floor and the TEN YEAR WARRANTY! I was really pleased with the pricing, not to mention the courteous customer service I received. Nikki Phillips was a pleasure to work with. I purchased and finalized my floor and underlayment with her. My items had to ship to HI so pricing was VERY important, hence Nikki and iFloor. For $1300.00 my products were fairly priced, considering the distance they had to travel. I received everything in less than a month.
Our friends spent about fourteen hours total installing the flooring in the living room, hallway and master bedroom. Wow-what a difference it made from the dingy, dirty, pet-stained Berber carpeting! It WAS awesome!

Fast forward to having to actually CLEAN the floor! Here is where the problem lies. Prior to this, I never had to do more than sweep, vacuum, damp mop/paper towel a pet issue, or dry-mop the floors to keep them neat. I had to actually "clean" the floors after about four months. At this time, we purchased a product specifically made for laminate floors along with a long-handled terrycloth "mop". After following the directions we proceeded to clean the floors. It was a disaster! The floors did NOT come clean! So then we tried a few readily available products, such as pine sol, dishwash liquid Dawn, just a plain damp mop, and a few other things recommended by our friends and family. NOTHING WORKS! I contacted ALLOC at 877-DO-ALLOC (which is the contact number listed on the ALLOC website, my packaging of Santos Mahogany floors, and the mailing I received) and the representative, Shepre, says she will relay al of my concerns and have someone contact me withing 24-48 business hours. That was on May 22,2009. On June 2, 2009, I reached Sue who apologized for my not having a return call, took all of my information AGAIN. She proceeded to explain that they "only recommend their brand of cleaner" BUT if that does not work then use a 50%/50% mix of mineral spirits and water. First Sue told me to wipe it on and wipe it off, then corrected to it to "spritz on/spritz off" the mix. Well, with four dogs, and one cat and two or more humans here at any time, I asked if this would void the warranty, she assure me that it would not. OK, but I am not sure if I want to try this as we, as well as guests, smoke and I do not want my home to explode because I cleaned my ALLOC flooring with paint thinner! The small area I tried this on looked the same as the rest of the floor-cloudy, milky film on the entire floor-even on areas not used or walked on, such as closets.

Now, on to the present, from the beginning of August until today, August 20, 2009 and the anger has boiled over on my end. I have never yelled at, verbally abused or e-mail abused anyone in the course of this process. My anger and disappointment were conveyed in pleasant tones to each person I communicated with. Nick Howard is the person I e-mailed and Bruce is the person I spoke to. These people are affiliated with the "NEW" iFloor.com. In the most recent e-mail I sent to Nick Howard, I referred him to the "live chats" I had with several representatives. One of the chats took place while I was on the telephone with an ALLOC representative. The information I was given, if I wanted to file a warranty claim, was to contact my dealer, iFloor. Now, things fall apart. On August 18, 2009, I spoke with customer service's Bruce. I told him about my disappointment with my ALLOC floors and that I wanted to proceed with a warranty claim. Bruce, from iFloor.com, informs me that  Bankruptcy was filed by the "old" iFloor in December, 2008. The "new" iFloor is owned by Longhau USA and they bought out the "old" iFloor in February of 2009. Since my purchase was made with the "old" iFloor.com the "new" iFloor would NOT HONOR MY WARRANTY CLAIM and they would have NO RESPONSIBILITY for purchases made prior to February of 2009.

I now have contacted ALLOC again. Their customer service number of 800-385-6310, is located in Norway, and falls under Central Europe Standard Time. Patricia, at the 877-DO-ALLOC is located in the central standard time zone of the US. She tells me that the Norway toll free number is seven hours behind the central standard time zone. I have NO CLUE where HI time falls in the scheme of all of this, so I just left a message. Get your choice or option right the first time because the "#" has the person come back on speaking Norwegian.

** DO NOT BUY FROM iFLOOR.COM OR BUY ALLOC FLOORING! **  JMHO- since we are looking at about $5000.00 in horrible flooring. To replace, we are probably looking at least that amount. You can see why I am doing everything possible to get this problem corrected and getting someone to honor this warranty issue, rather than passing the buck. The buck being passed is just a circle, or rather a semi-circle, since I see no closure at this point in time.





2 Updates & Rebuttals

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REd Deer,
Alberta,
Canada
BAnkruptcy

#2General Comment

Thu, October 01, 2009

The manufacturer of the product provides the warranty not the wholesaler or Retailer. So get an atorney to file you as a crediter of the banrupt company or as so many of us have had to, fix it yourself. Sorry but only leagle action will get you any where and as I doubt that you are owed hundreds of thousands it will be cheaper to just fix it and quit yelling at the wrong people


Lv2pahoa

Pahoa,
Hawaii,
U.S.A.
Today September 30, 2009 UPDATE

#3Author of original report

Thu, October 01, 2009

OK, I am working with a representative from iFloor. He is working to resolve this issue with ALLOC floors and has even filed the report the warranty claim issue. ALLOC FLOORING/BEAULIEU has responded they will do NOTHING to resolve the flooring problems I am experiencing!!! They have listed their reasons as follows (and in exactly the manner I am posting them):

"1. These "defects" should have been seen at the time of installation and removed by the installer
2.  We do not consider the "defects" as outlined in this claim form of 9/18/2009 to be warranty issues, and as such should be the responsibility on I Floors under the I Floor Defective Claim Policy. (see attached document).
3.  Alloc Inc. no longer does business with I Floors since they have filed for bankruptcy.

We cannot credit any claims through I Floors until their account is rectified.  (see attached document)"

To address my issues, I state the following:
RE: 1.  The "defects" I claimed under the warranty were as follows: Wax defects, delamination and Gloss (we went this way because we were not sure exactly what is going on because the floors do not come clean, no matter what products we have used) and the other claim of Surface Defects is because the finish is coming off. One area is over 11 inches by 7 inches. I included photos of this.

RE: 2.  You can NOT report a defect when the sheets of laminate are removed from the box if this defect happened within the LAST 60 days!  The finish is wearing off and has gone from a mahogany finish to an almost an oak color. THE FINISH IS GONE ON THIS AREA!!!

RE:  3.  Yes, as my ORIGINAL post states, the OLD iFloor has filed for Bankruptcy. The NEW iFloor does NOT carry ALLOC flooring. The NEW iFloor filed my warranty claim to "make good" on the ALLOC filing process. ALLOC requires the warranty claim be filed by the "dealer" who sold the floor. iFloor (old) actually purchased the flooring through ALLOC. Their address shows on the iFloor invoice! I have the paperword showing that the pickup at the ALLOC warehouse located in Racine, WI.

SO, does anyone with a legal background know how I can go after ALLOC? The "new" iFloor performed the service of filing the claim even though the "old" iFloor is who I purchased from?  The "old" iFloor purchased directly from ALLOC, the floors were shipped from ALLOC INC located at 3441 S Memorial Dr Racine, WI 53405 and BILLED TO: Smooth Corporation  17616 West Valley HWY Tukwila, WA 98188. The Articles shipped area rads PLT FLOORING, OCEAN FREIGHT FUEL SURCHARGE TERM FEE DELIVERY ADV-DAYLIGHT 73190357-0 ISUF BL#73190357-0 LA#692964
Hawaiian Express Service, is the shipper. I have the Vessel and Voyage NO and the container number as well as the weight and the cube. I have the date shipped and the delivery ticket signer.
I can not figure out what to do next other than to take the legal route against ALLOC FLOORS since they seem to be a non-performing vendor who refuses to take responsibility for their defective floors.  I told iFloor party who I am dealing with that a rebuttal can be discussed once my floors have been replaced under ALLOC'S 10 YEAR warranty.

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