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  • Report:  #72769

Complaint Review: Innovage cydcor granton Marketing & DS MAX - West Sacramento California

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- Sacramento, California,
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Innovage cydcor granton Marketing & DS MAX
2527 Del Monte Street West Sacramento, 95691 California, U.S.A.
Phone:
916-376-9066
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Tell us has your experience with this business or person been good? What's this?
This company is just a joke. The ads people answer is an ad that says warehouse, clerical and customer service. This month, it says "christmas rush" They have been kicked out of the Sacramento BEE several times and have resorted to placing ads in the penny saver and the employment guide.

when you first call, they set you up for a initial interview. then they ask you if you are looking for just a job or an opportunity?. keep in mind that you just applied for a warehouse, clerical or customer service position... Now they tell you that they like you and think they can work with you and congradulate you and tell you to dress proffesional for the 4-6 month management training program.

the next day, you are told it is just a day of observation and you will not get paid for it, its just to see how our business works. you are kept in complete darkness as to what you will be doing until the last minute where they mention that you will be seeing only the sales and marketing side of the business today.

ALL YOU WILL SEE IS SALES, SALES, SALES. I went business to business (B2B) selling knife sets, calculators and bar b que sets my first day.. they told us this stuff was $80 in stores and we had them for $5 bucks. thats another issue.

They tell you its a 4 phase management training program that should take 4-6 months to complete. they tell you that its really simple if you study and practice the 4- 5 and the 8's

The 4 is the 4 factors of impulse

The 5 is the 5 steps to a sale.

The 8 is the 8 steps to success.

These are actually one of the great things they teach you that may be useful in other aspects of life, but there are strings attached.

1.you have to pay for the transportation. you are an independent contractor that provides gas, food and other expenses on your own.

2. you have to pay whomever you train on your team $50 per day regardless of what their own production was. you have to sell over $400 of stuff to make $80 per day. subtract 10 for gas, and another 5 for food, put away 20 for taxes and you are really working for $45 per day.

3. the days are 14-16 hours long.

4. they say there are no sales quotas but they will make you work until 2am in the morning going to bars in the area to reach your "bell". if no bell, no training the next day.

5.no training means you are futher and futher away from your management opportunity.

6.did i mention the 2 hours in the morning you are not getting paid for and the 2 hours after work that you dont get paid for?

this owner Leroy Patton makes guys and girls that get on his nerves go out with a foot order to prove a point. who's the boss?

He is a 18 year ex-con that lies,cheats and steals in order to get his way.

I can tell you day to day stories but i dont think i have enough room in this forum. email me if you want.

dont get into this business if you want to keep your place to live, family members and want any kind of life for yourself.

PS> on a positive note, this organization would work a lot better if crooks like Leroy Patton didnt own his own branch. The system has worked for some people but if the promoting owners dont stack your deck for you, you will NOT make it into ownership. Ive seen people get stuck for 2-3 years in this business, mostly young people. I was in it for 9 months. I worked for CPEA,KIDZIDZ,INNOVAGE,CYDCOR WHICH IS ALL A SUBSIDIARY OF DS.MAX.

Hiro

Sacramento, California
U.S.A.


2 Updates & Rebuttals

Josh

Hamilton,
Ontario,
Canada
thats one way of looking at it

#2UPDATE Employee

Mon, January 10, 2005

My name is josh, I am a brand new owner in ontario canada... i know a lot of people get upset with the way certain businesses are run. that's the beauty of opinions. you shouldnt be judged negatively because of an opinion. but here's what's up. i run my business a certain way. same as a mcdonalds owner in tucson, az and another in las vegas, nv have differences in business ethics. surely, eventhough the system is cookie cutter to ensure equal training and customer service standards are theoretcally making the two franchises equally equipped for success, the two will have different profits and revues due to employee morale, customer satisfaction and of course leadership. yeah, some owners in my organiztion have screwed up. we're human. treating others like humans has never been an issue. i myself to say i've never gone home with 20 dollars for 12hrs is a lie. also me making 400 for 3 hrs is aswell. the reason i'm still here, is because i understood No \job will ever give me what i need to be finacially free, but this business was an outlet to let me work for it. you are never guaranteed more than 300/wk for your first week in my business, untll you can guarantee you can earn it yourself. the tools are there as one of you mentiones, the 5.8 and 4. my help is always free, my merchandise is always on consignment but no one is forced to work all 12 hrs in a day, food is always yor own responsibilty in most any job, pack a lunch and save 5 bucks a day. transportation is usually a privlige too, but hw many times did you use someone else's car to make money? wouldnt the right thing to do is to shoot out 5 bucks, thats up to you.taxes are also up to you. but an independant contractor can write things off, so the more u spend on your business...u get the idea. well... the only ones who know anything about this business really i found, are the ones that stick around long enough to find all the answers, not the ones who are in it 2 weeks and do drugs at work and complain about not getting ahead. [email protected] if u want more answers


R.I.P ODB

EVERYWHERE,
Massachusetts,
U.S.A.
KINDA EMBARASSED I WORKED AT THIS PLACE.... SHOULDA QUITE RIGHT AWAY.....

#3UPDATE EX-employee responds

Thu, December 16, 2004

kinda liked working at my branch cuz it was kids my own age (just finished college), your allowed and somewhat encouraged to act silly (i'm a goof ball), and i smoked mad weed with my leader and other fellow distributors and leaders (both while at work and after work). o and also wanted to see how good i would be at selling other things besides drugs. so don't censor me, i'm being honest.. but hey enough about me let's break it down for all the parties involved.... alright it's simple marxian economics...your not being paid properly for the amount of work you're putting in, and when you factor in the other costs(gas,lunch, lost benefits, car maintenance, new suites) then you're really losing out. you might get strung along with the whole "will be a branch manager in 3-6 months" crap but honestly there's only so many offices innovage/dsmax wants to open. so what? all 15-30 people in the office are going to be owners? what about the 15-30 people in all the other offices around the country? them too? obviously not...that's why it's a very competitive business...well then that means you're only going to get successful first by exploiting your workers and getting people to stay at a job that's not compensating them well and with a small chance of upward mobility, coupled with a false hope of success. and secondly by selling cheap, third rate products made in sweatshops over in china to unknowing, impulsive consumers out there for a very high profit return (90-95%) that will mostly go to the manager and the corporate people instead of to you(who did all the hard work but is told will be rewarded later,"you'll see") and sometimes you're forced to rip off people in your very own town! i mean considering all the probabilities involved YOU probably won't be promoted to a manager unless you can scam people into sticking with your crew long enough so that you can get promoted, eventhough most of your crew won't even be rewarded/compensated, in those 3-6 months if at all, for all the time and money they put into the company. "just waving a carrot in front the slow turtle." i guess owning your own company is fine and all but i mean a lot of people can make over 100k a yr if they put in the amount of overtime some of these owners and asst managers have to put in. i don't know, i think dsmax/innovage needs those poor brainwashed sales people, who are getting ripped off, a lot more than they do that small percentage of people who can actually succeed in a business like that. if they separated the offices into mgmnt training and sales then the management office would be like 2 or 3 people while the sales office would be like 40-50 people. plus they'd have to give the people in the sales office a bigger commission, otherwise no one would stick around. it's just easier to combine the two and give the people that are only kept around for sales less money and getting away with it by justifying the rip-off with the whole "it's a management training program, you'll make the real money once you finish training and build a crew and open your own office and etc.." line of bullsh*t. I mean i don't have much morals or much of a conscience (which is prolly why i want to go into the music biz), but even i don't have that utter lack of morality and that void of conscienceness that these owners and other higher ups in this so called "business" must possess in order to succeed. in other words i may be able to be some type of lowlife in the music industry, but most definetly not the type of scumbag you would need to be as an owner. by the way the only reason i stuck around for like 2 weeks was cuz my manager kept saying the company was going to branch out into entertainment. i didn't stick around long enough to find out what he meant by that but i bet it was either yanni tickets or toy keyboards made in china for 10 cents each but sold in america for a ridiculously low price of 9.99! o plus the stupid sales tax that no one ever wants to pay! hahaha

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