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Fresno,#2UPDATE Employee
Sat, September 13, 2008
First off the chick above is probably hot :) (female nerd) Remember this is Personal/Business advice. Anyhoo, I liitle background first... I myself graduated with a bachelors in Business Management (whoopdy doo!). I currently own 2 businesses (1 an LLC and 1 a inc.) It is not shady what-so-ever to protect yourself (i.e condoms). YAY! Im not looking for a puff piece here. You will be charged a lot of money or have to read a lot of books to get this perspective. I am simply trying to lighten the bad rep these business structures have. I just applyied for this same job and start in 3 days. "Why would he do that"? Because my business' make me money, and whatever I can do to make my business make me more money I will do (legally and morally). I went into the interview and the "2nd interview" knowing exactly what to expect (not from first hand knowledge but business knowledge). Bla bla do the dance your hired. Ok, so what, I have to walk around like a fool for a week or 2 and then train some dudes then do office work....WOW! Thats what I do anyways! I took this job for the sole purpose of gaining some personal experience and get paid to-do it. SHOCKER! thats a job! Ok I'm not going to make very much but the experince (talking to lots of people) makes you understand what people react to, their persective, what triggers them, what sells them, etc. This little knowledge in talking is more valuable than anything. You could get any job you wanted if you could sell the interviewer. I myself am doing it as a refresher course. Like a 401k for my mind. You non business owners should look at it like a resume. When your done with this job you can tell the next recruiter that you managed x amount of people in a stressful and fast paced enviroment, you lead the day to day of a $x operation. (invaluable) the next interview you go to you got it! Yes you feel scamed. You thought you got your dream job but instead you got sales. Look up the definition of sales and marketing. That means you will be SELLING AND MARKETING...You should know first off that when a job posting says "Pay based on individual Perfomance" that it will be commision. Yes your doing the dirty work (door-door). Also, most people major in marketing thinking that when you graduate you will be making funny super bowl commercials. NOT! You will start with an entry level position like this and you will SELL and make cold calls all day. In my business (and in most) the salaryied jobs are just as much work if not more than commisioned. Yes, commisioned you work long hours, your pays not steady, yes its not a sure thing. Salaryied your pay is steady, yes you work long hours, yes you work overtime (for free), yes you are micromanaged all day, yes your life sucks. With commision you put the hard work in and sell, when your happy with what you've made so far you golf (insert hobbie here). It is not up to your employer how much you make. It is up to you, if you want a job with lots of reconition go to college and become (insert your dream here). If you want to make it happen you are going to work long hours for no pay just to get an internship with long hours and no pay so you can become a (insert dream job here) with long hours and little pay. This is the trap that 90% of people fall into, while the other 10% do whatever they want. If one day you want to get into that 10% you have to stop blaming other people for your shortcomings (I could have spelt that differently, haha). I myself knownly signed up for this job that you 90% think is a scam. That is the difference between a business man and a rat. Do what you have to-do, so you can do what you want to-do...write that down! The people that made this website are playing on your fears and weakness. They themselfs are getting paid (advertisement etc..) for you unknownly being too scared to change your perspective. I do not see any of you rat's writing reports about how a website got you to sit here and read this and whine about stuff while they got paid and you didnt. Fair? not yet? While your whineing about this stuff I myself as a business owner am collecting data on you and finding new weakness in which to exploit, how does that make you feel now hippies? Liberals? This is America people, Capitalism, get used to it and play along... Do Work! (This information was provided not for profit and was the sole actions of multiple alchohalic beverages and bordem, no thanks needed. Also, this information is not intended for any means of a succesfull or profitable business model, I am not a legal professional and non of this advice should be taken without consent of an actual attorney (Either Should Tequilla shots in TJ). I am not representing any company, I am not selling anything, I dont really care cause I cant get in trouble for this anyways, bla bla good day!)
Female.nerd
Dublin,#3UPDATE EX-employee responds
Mon, September 01, 2008
In response to Someone Belfast, Its hard work, commission, and long hours but the rewards are there in plain black and white if you can make it through the programme. Its not for me because im not driven enough to be my own boss, but if i were it is an honest oppertunity. The people that work there are decent people and it is a great environment to be in. I saw promotions and the only people really bother to file reports are jealous people like you.You should really move on with your life and not be so bitter towards people who choose to do this. Cant imagine you were there that long either seen as you never made it to management and dont have 100% correct information. Very one sided report!! You cant admit to yourself that you weren't good enough to get through it so you decide to make up your own version of events to make out you were conned. A sad attempt to stop other people having on oppertunity to do it if they want. It would kill you to see other people progress. Go do something productive with your time - like, get a life!!
Anon
Belfast,#4UPDATE EX-employee responds
Tue, August 19, 2008
I totally agree with most of whats being said on here about the practices of Skye marketing and LMC and kee initiative Apart from the rebuttal from Alias, its seems to me that he/she would be an employee of skye marketing still vrey much engulfed in the lies!! What we shouldnt forget though is that Skye marketing are only operating in Northern Ireland, there is a complex network of numerous offices in places all over the uk and ireland...this is all just too make sure they are harder to track down (eventhough alias will probably have a different view on that) So please everyone who reads this be carefull!!! If you ever come along practices that look like the ones skye marketing uses and which are described here, you better think twice!!! (p.s. a clue should be as well the nature of their ads, namely very vague)
Someone
Belfast,#5Author of original report
Mon, August 18, 2008
Reply to Alias in numerical order; 1. "Everyone who starts the business, starts under a self-employed basis" Note to you Alias; Everyone in the business will ALWAYS be under self-employed basis. At no point is anyone ever "employed". The deficits to being an "employee" are stressed via impacts. IE. "Do you have an employee (9-5 routine) mentality or an employer mentality (run a business). Yea whatever. 2. "The questions asked and fear of loss techniques used on the observation day are used by millions of other companies and if this person had been on any interview before would have realised that!" This is the most bullshit I have ever read. ACTUALLY The most I have EVER read. Every company in the world gets a lot of recruits. No company in the world has unlimited spaces. Only one with unlimited spaces will want more people than the companies with limited spaces. Therefore, they will take on as many as possible, IE, as many as they can get. This is why each applicant is made to feel they need the position. No applicant is unique. No applicant is required. Each applicant is not even a number, they are simply someone that may benefit DS-Max's wallet. 3. "3.10000 Loan??? - DSMAX used this as a helping hand for a manager to step into a new office in a new city to pay for everything incl. products, administration, legal etc. Doesnt happen in the U.K." I would like to ask you - you say it does not happen in the Uk yet you also say it is used by DS Max to assist new offices??? so which is it??? lol?? does it happen or not?? really shot yourself in the foot there haha 4. "4.Made in China. If you look at the retail market everything is made in China, Thailand etc. as its cheaper to manufacture the products- duhhh!! You're totally right. I'm sorry. Everything is made in China. However, the things that are made in China are not claimed to be made in a different country, they're claimed to be made in china. Unlike victoria jackson cosmetics. "no it's not made in china, the packaging is" lol. Kind of like Fondini watches. The way they were made in Italy? more like a take on Justin Cobb's wife whos name was Fonda and they needed an italian sounding name (words of a RD himself. justin cobb) 5. "5.Why would companies like Disney, Warner Bros., MBNA, TalkTalk, Barlaycard take such a risk on an overall company if ts such a scam??" Because they don't give a crap - they really do generate sales from the marketing. They really do. It's the guy trooping around for 8 hours each day is the guy losing out. The big wigs get richer. The distributers only help the big wigs get richer. It's kind of funny how a lot of major recruitment websites don't recruit for companies such as Skye/LMC Marketing or Kee Initiative. It's because their method of work is so controversial. IE. total abuse. 6. "6.LTD. As a managing director you run your own company which ever way you like, but it's a lot easier to do it the same way everyone else has done it before and make a lot of money rather than the way someone with no business ownership experience and do it wrong. If you want to open your business in a different country you do so if you have built enough capitol to do so just like if you own a shop and want to take it down the street it's your business you fund it." This is very true. Absolutely 100% true. But out of the 56 UK offices, I'm pretty sure all 56 people didn't think to themselves "OMG I CANT WAIT TO RUN AN OFFICE IN THE UK. TO HELL WITH HAWAII AND AMERICA AND AUSTRLIA THOSE PLACES SUCKKKKK I WANT TO WORK IN THE UK YEA UK ROCKS". Or maybe they were simply told where to locate to? (Wikipedia: Occams Razor / Law of Parsimony; in the event of multiple theorys the simplest is usually correct. Do the math). 7. "The interview process is different but the business is different" Ofcourse the business is different. Most illegal scams get shut down but this one has too many loopholes. It's the one surviving strategy that the courts can do nothing against. And if it was a legitimate business with great prospects, why so many ripoff reports and bad press? 8. "8.Pyramid Scheme. As regards to a pyramid scheme every business in the world has someone at the top making more than anyone else" Well no s**t sherlock. Anyone would think you're a modern day Bill Gates with that sort of thinking! I wish I'd have thought of that. Idiot. 9. "Law of averages" No. Skye did not create it. It utilised it. It thought to itself "How can I motivate someone to walk around for nearly 10 hours earning not a penny to continue doing so. Oh. I have an idea..." 10. "Hours?? How many companies out there can take a person from not knowing a single thing about sales, marketing, management and out them into a position within 1 year" Prison. 11. "11.Assistant Manager wage. The assistant manager gets paid in the office, when not in the office doesn't get paid for being in the office, and more for field sales." Lie. The AM can get paid a wage either 50% of the sale price or what the AM's team generate in that single day. 12. "12.Managers take a wage and again as they own the business are smart with their money manage their finances." Yes they own the business, but 50% goes to PERDM and 30% goes to the distributor leaving 20% for the owner. And lets remember, they still have to bank into the business account so how much of that 20% does the owner REALLY get? "Losing your attitude and blaming someone else makes you look the fool." I did not lose my attitude. If I want, I can go into shops or housing areas and sell whatever I want. I simply gained a bit of wisdom about the business. I stopped being taken advantage of. I saw the business for what it was. A total RIPOFF. "If you have any more questions about the that business works file a rebuttal." If you have anymore questions about ANY business. Find another one.
Nottobementioned
Euless,#6UPDATE EX-employee responds
Thu, August 14, 2008
As someone from the States whose also worked for a DS-Max related company, I can tell you from first hand experience that everything the author talked about in this report is legitimate! My own experience left me disslutioned and angry over the treatment we recieved as employess. When the "system" is referred to in the same light as to how franchises like McDonalds works, you know you need to get out of there, pronto! Oh by the way, their company mascot is a Rhino. Which appropirately enough, is an engandered species. Peace out!
Anon
Belfast,#7UPDATE EX-employee responds
Mon, August 04, 2008
Sounds to me like your still brainwashed, still defending the company eventhough it has been proven over and over again that it's a big scam!! And by the way it does happen as well in the UK that people had to take out business loans for 10.000. I know a lot of people who were very good and didnt 'neg'-out who had to leave because of this business. Just as a note I don't blame you for still being brainwashed, It was a very difficult decision for me as well to quit it, thankfully I found out the dark side of the organisation very shortly after I left!! I would advise you, as everyone else, to do some investigation on the things they don't tell you and don't want you to know.
Alias
Belfast,#8UPDATE EX-employee responds
Mon, August 04, 2008
Most of the information here is correct, there's just a few areas that weren't concise. 1. Everyone who starts the business, starts under a self-employed basis working and managing themselves, all the companies do is provide products and services to sell, teach you how to run the company yourself and make a lot of money! If you are a self-employed builder you get provided with materials a territory and taught how to build, if you take a day off due to rain you won't get paid for doing nothing! 2.The questions asked and fear of loss techniques used on the observation day are used by millions of other companies and if this person had been on any interview before would have realised that! 3.10000 Loan??? - DSMAX used this as a helping hand for a manager to step into a new office in a new city to pay for everything incl. products, administration, legal etc. Doesnt happen in the U.K. 4.Made in China. If you look at the retail market everything is made in China, Thailand etc. as its cheaper to manufacture the products- duhhh!! 5.Why would companies like Disney, Warner Bros., MBNA, TalkTalk, Barlaycard take such a risk on an overall company if ts such a scam?? 6.LTD. As a managing director you run your own company which ever way you like, but it's a lot easier to do it the same way everyone else has done it before and make a lot of money rather than the way someone with no business ownership experience and do it wrong. If you want to open your business in a different country you do so if you have built enough capitol to do so just like if you own a shop and want to take it down the street it's your business you fund it. 7.Interview Process. The interview process is different but the business is different you will not find that someone with no sales experience can get any sales job, just like someone with no management experience can take over and manage a restaurant or a new clothes shop, different in that if you want to learn new things everyday about sales, management, accounts as long as you're not a close minded person and like if you want to progress in any other business do what the manager asks at the end of the day they did it! 8.Pyramid Scheme. As regards to a pyramid scheme every business in the world has someone at the top making more than anyone else, a pyramid scheme usually consists of all the people at the botom investing money and it filtering through to the top. In the business I found the person at the top being a manger, managing and getting more than the person who hasn't done the managers job yet but also been giving the opportunity to build personally, in business and get up the ladder. 9.Law of Averages. Not a system this business created also used by millions of sales companies world wide, seen enough people get enough sales. 10.Hours?? How many companies out there can take a person from not knowing a single thing about sales, marketing, management and out them into a position within 1 year? This business involves teaching and training(which shouldn't be classified as work) field sales(work) and a breakdown of what has been covered over the day to fit that all into a year involves a lot of hours! 11.Assistant Manager wage. The assistant manager gets paid in the office, when not in the office doesn't get paid for being in the office, and more for field sales. 12.Managers take a wage and again as they own the business are smart with their money manage their finances. Please try to understand that by asking the right questions you will get the answers. Losing your attitude and blaming someone else makes you look the fool. If you have any more questions about the that business works file a rebuttal. Yours, Retired