Complaint Review: Stella Manberg Wise - Great Blazes Farm Paso Fino - Windsor South Carolina

Hello, Just noticed that I've had a few responses again, the usual suspects. Charlotte, I do not have a problem with what I had to do. Never did. In fact, I rarely ever think on the whole sordid episode. I have done what I had to do and put it all behind me. It really makes no difference what anyone else 'believes' happened. You can surmise and pontificate until the cows come home. Just doesn't matter. Horse traders don't care about the animals they sell or the people who are affected by the purchase. It's an old story. Unfortunately I fell for it and had to end it with me. So it did. Thanks for your interest and responses everyone. Jennifer

I would like to put some information on file that I think is very important in this case. Apparently, Jennifer thought I would never see this and read it. To you Jennifer, You are a piece of work. You refer to this horse having been used as a breeding stallion for 12 years and "starved" for the first ten years of his life. That is a bald face lie and would YOU ALL like to know how I know that? Because I owned him until Stella got him. He was the 2nd foal on my farm. He was beautiful and I spent lots of time with him. He was as gentle and as friendly as a dog. He was never bred and he was most definitely never starved. I take great offense to your lie, Jennifer. Furthermore, I take great offense to you going on such a forum as this and telling the world that I STARVED A HORSE. You will be lucky if I don't sue you myself. He was one of the sweetest horses I've ever owned. One of the other commentors said it best, the horse had lots of brio AND INTELLIGENCE - too bad it wasn't matched by his last owner. He never mutilated himself here. He never kicked ANYTHING and did any damage to his hooves. He never bucked, he never spun out doing 180's as you claim. I don't know what who (YOU?) did to him after he left here, but he exhibited absolutely none of the behaviors that you describe while he was here. I called you and offered to buy him back. YOU REFUSED. I begged you to let me see him. YOU REFUSED. I asked you to let me bring him back here and see if he exhibited any of those behaviors. YOU REFUSED. Why was that? Because you were not telling the truth? You chose to destroy this beautiful animal because you were in a contest with someone and you couldn't win and you struck out at a defenseless animal. You won nothing. You should not be allowed to own a rat. You should certainly be barred from ever owning a horse. God knows, if it isn't up to your standards and if your seller doesn't bow down just as you dictate, you might destroy that one too. When Bandit left my farm, he was underweight. He had started to lose weight and I didn't know why. I spoke to the person who bought him from Stella and took him to Colorado (?). She told me that his teeth were in terrible shape, had abscesses from his teeth not being floated. She told me the situation had been addressed and that he was beginning to put weight back on. That was the ONLY thing she ever referred to insofar as a problem with the horse. Admittedly, I knew nothing of having a horse's teeth floated. I cried for days when I learned that I had caused that horse so much discomfort. But then I don't claim to know everything. Don't bother to comment back to me, Jennifer because I am not interested in anything you have to say. It makes me sick to my stomach to read this garbage and to know that you destroyed that horse. I even spoke to one of the trainers you refer to and he said the problem was you and not the horse and he refused to testify for you against Stella. He had no problem with Bandit. There's a special place in hell for people like you.

I have known the accused in this report, Ms. Manberg-Wise for 25 years, never was a personal friend, purely a professional relationship. I have never known her to be anything other than an excellent horsewoman, have shown against her in breed shows, and know her to be a credit to the Paso breed and great competitor. The bloodline of the horse this person bought is known for being high strung--lots of "brio", I have two horses of this bloodline, they are highly intelligent, which makes them a poor choice for stupid people. I bought my 15 yr old daughter a mare from this bloodline, which she broke, totally trained, and showed with no help from a professional trainer. I bred and raised a stallion from this line, sold him to a 60yr old lady who has shown him to international championships. There is much in the allegations this Jennifer makes that leads me to believe she is not telling the whole truth---were I in Ms. Manberg-Wise's place---I'd be sueing this woman to hell and back. The accused has had an excellent reputation in the Paso industry for many, many years. I would really like to see all the proof she is claiming to have--looks to me like she bought too much horse and didn't want to admit her lack of knowledge and inexperience. Too bad the poor horse had to die at her hands; she should give some consideration to whom is actually the injured party.

Owner of Paso Fino's for over 15 years, owned horses for over 25 years, that rode hunter/jumper and dressage for the years before the Paso Fino's, I can understand both sides of the story. When looking for a Paso Fino to buy we went to a couple farms to try some out. What I found out was the transition from riding a Morgan, app, quarter horse, Tenn walker to a Paso Fino was a different world to where I had to learn how to ride all over again. The farm told me that the horse we bought was a horse that ANYONE could ride, but we had to re-school ourselves because this mare was professionally trained. Thinking I had taken lessons in dressage/hunter/jumper, I was fine. How wrong I was. The mare bolted, spun, bucked and stopped abruptly trying to throw me off I thought. Not realizing I caused every single action without realizing it. The owner of the farm came out and got on the mare and she was perfect, no mistakes. I got on and immediately acted up. I soon was shown that Paso's try to anticipate what the rider wants, and wanting to please his owner would try to read every cue as a signal. When I leaned forward, the horse sped up, trying to slow the horse I tightened the reins, mare went faster, which made me more anxious which the mare became more anxious. I also would not knowingly put pressure in one stirrup which cued the mare to turn, which caused me to put extra weight in the stirrup not knowingly which then caused her to turn tighter to the spin. When the previous owner told me that each movement was a cue that I needed to be aware of my body and ride my Paso watching my reflection and the looser the reins the slower the ride to the point if you dropped the reins down the horse would stop. After I learned that I was the total cause of the problems this poor mare endured and she was obeying every command that I gave, I realized that my mare was the most obedient horse that "AnyBody Could Ride". I took this mare in the show ring, I knew nothing of showing Paso's and came out with a second because she knew the gaits when the announcer said them and I just sat on this horse. Even when announcer said line up your horses that mare immediately cut into the ring looking for the lineup. What I am trying to say, from your description of everything your horse did "wrong" truly sounds like the horse was getting mis-cued by the rider accidentally and things escalated to the point that the Paso Fino was frazzled and responded in the only way he could communicate to the rider. Remember, animals can not lie and don't deceive they just react. In my opinion, the buyer was hard headed and could not admit when she was wrong, wrong by the horse and wrong with the seller. The buyer should have sold the horse to the trainer, the trainer could not have sued you for liable, for the trainer admitted that she knew the horse had problems when she offered the money. This is a sad ending to a horse that sounded like he was born for the show ring. Why would you want to show a 14 year old horse in Bella Forma anyway? Even Chino, who won Bella Forma year after year finally, had to concede to the younger firmer horses. It sounds if the buyer was creating charges to win a case just to win at any cost.....even the cost of euthanizing an innocent horse. But the buyer will have to live with that the rest of her life just because she wanted to win. Again, who won? I have to side with the Seller that did the normal industry standard and exchange the horse for another and of course you may have to pay more, you get what you pay for. If you wanted a top show/trail/bella forma horse then your cost for that description would be starting at $10,000. What did you expect when you pay $3,000.00 for a Paso Fino. The seller gave you what you paid for in my opinion. As for the trainer that wanted to step in and diffuse the buyer, I applaud her too. It is a shame when inexperienced person's come to this breed expecting to pay Volkswagen prices for a Mercedes Benz.

Owner of Paso Fino's for over 15 years, owned horses for over 25 years, that rode hunter/jumper and dressage for the years before the Paso Fino's, I can understand both sides of the story. When looking for a Paso Fino to buy we went to a couple farms to try some out. What I found out was the transition from riding a Morgan, app, quarter horse, Tenn walker to a Paso Fino was a different world to where I had to learn how to ride all over again. The farm told me that the horse we bought was a horse that ANYONE could ride, but we had to re-school ourselves because this mare was professionally trained. Thinking I had taken lessons in dressage/hunter/jumper, I was fine. How wrong I was. The mare bolted, spun, bucked and stopped abruptly trying to throw me off I thought. Not realizing I caused every single action without realizing it. The owner of the farm came out and got on the mare and she was perfect, no mistakes. I got on and immediately acted up. I soon was shown that Paso's try to anticipate what the rider wants, and wanting to please his owner would try to read every cue as a signal. When I leaned forward, the horse sped up, trying to slow the horse I tightened the reins, mare went faster, which made me more anxious which the mare became more anxious. I also would not knowingly put pressure in one stirrup which cued the mare to turn, which caused me to put extra weight in the stirrup not knowingly which then caused her to turn tighter to the spin. When the previous owner told me that each movement was a cue that I needed to be aware of my body and ride my Paso watching my reflection and the looser the reins the slower the ride to the point if you dropped the reins down the horse would stop. After I learned that I was the total cause of the problems this poor mare endured and she was obeying every command that I gave, I realized that my mare was the most obedient horse that "AnyBody Could Ride". I took this mare in the show ring, I knew nothing of showing Paso's and came out with a second because she knew the gaits when the announcer said them and I just sat on this horse. Even when announcer said line up your horses that mare immediately cut into the ring looking for the lineup. What I am trying to say, from your description of everything your horse did "wrong" truly sounds like the horse was getting mis-cued by the rider accidentally and things escalated to the point that the Paso Fino was frazzled and responded in the only way he could communicate to the rider. Remember, animals can not lie and don't deceive they just react. In my opinion, the buyer was hard headed and could not admit when she was wrong, wrong by the horse and wrong with the seller. The buyer should have sold the horse to the trainer, the trainer could not have sued you for liable, for the trainer admitted that she knew the horse had problems when she offered the money. This is a sad ending to a horse that sounded like he was born for the show ring. Why would you want to show a 14 year old horse in Bella Forma anyway? Even Chino, who won Bella Forma year after year finally, had to concede to the younger firmer horses. It sounds if the buyer was creating charges to win a case just to win at any cost.....even the cost of euthanizing an innocent horse. But the buyer will have to live with that the rest of her life just because she wanted to win. Again, who won? I have to side with the Seller that did the normal industry standard and exchange the horse for another and of course you may have to pay more, you get what you pay for. If you wanted a top show/trail/bella forma horse then your cost for that description would be starting at $10,000. What did you expect when you pay $3,000.00 for a Paso Fino. The seller gave you what you paid for in my opinion. As for the trainer that wanted to step in and diffuse the buyer, I applaud her too. It is a shame when inexperienced person's come to this breed expecting to pay Volkswagen prices for a Mercedes Benz.

Owner of Paso Fino's for over 15 years, owned horses for over 25 years, that rode hunter/jumper and dressage for the years before the Paso Fino's, I can understand both sides of the story. When looking for a Paso Fino to buy we went to a couple farms to try some out. What I found out was the transition from riding a Morgan, app, quarter horse, Tenn walker to a Paso Fino was a different world to where I had to learn how to ride all over again. The farm told me that the horse we bought was a horse that ANYONE could ride, but we had to re-school ourselves because this mare was professionally trained. Thinking I had taken lessons in dressage/hunter/jumper, I was fine. How wrong I was. The mare bolted, spun, bucked and stopped abruptly trying to throw me off I thought. Not realizing I caused every single action without realizing it. The owner of the farm came out and got on the mare and she was perfect, no mistakes. I got on and immediately acted up. I soon was shown that Paso's try to anticipate what the rider wants, and wanting to please his owner would try to read every cue as a signal. When I leaned forward, the horse sped up, trying to slow the horse I tightened the reins, mare went faster, which made me more anxious which the mare became more anxious. I also would not knowingly put pressure in one stirrup which cued the mare to turn, which caused me to put extra weight in the stirrup not knowingly which then caused her to turn tighter to the spin. When the previous owner told me that each movement was a cue that I needed to be aware of my body and ride my Paso watching my reflection and the looser the reins the slower the ride to the point if you dropped the reins down the horse would stop. After I learned that I was the total cause of the problems this poor mare endured and she was obeying every command that I gave, I realized that my mare was the most obedient horse that "AnyBody Could Ride". I took this mare in the show ring, I knew nothing of showing Paso's and came out with a second because she knew the gaits when the announcer said them and I just sat on this horse. Even when announcer said line up your horses that mare immediately cut into the ring looking for the lineup. What I am trying to say, from your description of everything your horse did "wrong" truly sounds like the horse was getting mis-cued by the rider accidentally and things escalated to the point that the Paso Fino was frazzled and responded in the only way he could communicate to the rider. Remember, animals can not lie and don't deceive they just react. In my opinion, the buyer was hard headed and could not admit when she was wrong, wrong by the horse and wrong with the seller. The buyer should have sold the horse to the trainer, the trainer could not have sued you for liable, for the trainer admitted that she knew the horse had problems when she offered the money. This is a sad ending to a horse that sounded like he was born for the show ring. Why would you want to show a 14 year old horse in Bella Forma anyway? Even Chino, who won Bella Forma year after year finally, had to concede to the younger firmer horses. It sounds if the buyer was creating charges to win a case just to win at any cost.....even the cost of euthanizing an innocent horse. But the buyer will have to live with that the rest of her life just because she wanted to win. Again, who won? I have to side with the Seller that did the normal industry standard and exchange the horse for another and of course you may have to pay more, you get what you pay for. If you wanted a top show/trail/bella forma horse then your cost for that description would be starting at $10,000. What did you expect when you pay $3,000.00 for a Paso Fino. The seller gave you what you paid for in my opinion. As for the trainer that wanted to step in and diffuse the buyer, I applaud her too. It is a shame when inexperienced person's come to this breed expecting to pay Volkswagen prices for a Mercedes Benz.

Owner of Paso Fino's for over 15 years, owned horses for over 25 years, that rode hunter/jumper and dressage for the years before the Paso Fino's, I can understand both sides of the story. When looking for a Paso Fino to buy we went to a couple farms to try some out. What I found out was the transition from riding a Morgan, app, quarter horse, Tenn walker to a Paso Fino was a different world to where I had to learn how to ride all over again. The farm told me that the horse we bought was a horse that ANYONE could ride, but we had to re-school ourselves because this mare was professionally trained. Thinking I had taken lessons in dressage/hunter/jumper, I was fine. How wrong I was. The mare bolted, spun, bucked and stopped abruptly trying to throw me off I thought. Not realizing I caused every single action without realizing it. The owner of the farm came out and got on the mare and she was perfect, no mistakes. I got on and immediately acted up. I soon was shown that Paso's try to anticipate what the rider wants, and wanting to please his owner would try to read every cue as a signal. When I leaned forward, the horse sped up, trying to slow the horse I tightened the reins, mare went faster, which made me more anxious which the mare became more anxious. I also would not knowingly put pressure in one stirrup which cued the mare to turn, which caused me to put extra weight in the stirrup not knowingly which then caused her to turn tighter to the spin. When the previous owner told me that each movement was a cue that I needed to be aware of my body and ride my Paso watching my reflection and the looser the reins the slower the ride to the point if you dropped the reins down the horse would stop. After I learned that I was the total cause of the problems this poor mare endured and she was obeying every command that I gave, I realized that my mare was the most obedient horse that "AnyBody Could Ride". I took this mare in the show ring, I knew nothing of showing Paso's and came out with a second because she knew the gaits when the announcer said them and I just sat on this horse. Even when announcer said line up your horses that mare immediately cut into the ring looking for the lineup. What I am trying to say, from your description of everything your horse did "wrong" truly sounds like the horse was getting mis-cued by the rider accidentally and things escalated to the point that the Paso Fino was frazzled and responded in the only way he could communicate to the rider. Remember, animals can not lie and don't deceive they just react. In my opinion, the buyer was hard headed and could not admit when she was wrong, wrong by the horse and wrong with the seller. The buyer should have sold the horse to the trainer, the trainer could not have sued you for liable, for the trainer admitted that she knew the horse had problems when she offered the money. This is a sad ending to a horse that sounded like he was born for the show ring. Why would you want to show a 14 year old horse in Bella Forma anyway? Even Chino, who won Bella Forma year after year finally, had to concede to the younger firmer horses. It sounds if the buyer was creating charges to win a case just to win at any cost.....even the cost of euthanizing an innocent horse. But the buyer will have to live with that the rest of her life just because she wanted to win. Again, who won? I have to side with the Seller that did the normal industry standard and exchange the horse for another and of course you may have to pay more, you get what you pay for. If you wanted a top show/trail/bella forma horse then your cost for that description would be starting at $10,000. What did you expect when you pay $3,000.00 for a Paso Fino. The seller gave you what you paid for in my opinion. As for the trainer that wanted to step in and diffuse the buyer, I applaud her too. It is a shame when inexperienced person's come to this breed expecting to pay Volkswagen prices for a Mercedes Benz.

It is clear there are two very emotional sides to this issue, more to this story than stated here. I have been around horses for 20+ years so i've seen many beginners get themselves in trouble and there are many horse traders out there to help them get there. It is often true that horses do take time to get used to their surroundings when moved before they settle down but acting in a 'crazy' way doesn't sound normal either. This is tough for beginning horse owners who aren't versed in horses enough to see the difference with stress, extra energy, and misbehaving. Buyer First of all, I'm curious if you rode the horse when you bought him. A maniac horse wouldn't have been easy to ride unless drugged or something. If not, then you need to realize the age old Buyer Beware rule. Also, tying the horse to a truck sounds very odd and irresponsible. It also sounds a bit odd that you wouldn't want to recoup your money from someone who sounded fully aware of the horse's past. It didn't sound like this person wasn't a stranger who had no idea. If I'm getting it right, you kept a "crazy" horse for 2 years. How did you handle him during that time? Probably not the best decision. Seller I don't understand why you wouldn't want to satisfy a buyer. Look at your reputation now whether you are right or wrong. Sometimes it's better to bite the bullet and just take a loss rather than risk having your reputation run through the mud. It probably cost you more in lawyer fees than 3k now. Good customer service, no? You are running a business as a professional when you take the claim you are a trainer and sell horses.

"Have you compared the post Terry Wallace supposedly made on APF? Look at what Stella offered the Hearing Committee and look at the locked post on APF. You will see that it was adulterated for submission to the PFHA Hearing Committee." I am the one that printed off that thread. Any time you do a search on APF for a specific word, it highlights those words in the topic. So yes, I have seen the thread. "Surely you can understand that two years is enough time for a horse to adjust if he is ever going to do so. He was crazy till the day he was put down." I'm talking about when he first got there. You were trying to ride and work with him without giving him time to adjust. Then you kept on making him crazier by the minute by putting him with the cow THAT HE WAS TERRIFIED OF. "Sometime go and look at the door handles on a 1999 Ford F350 truck. Then please explain how I did this. " Are you denying you tied him to the truck? "No one was about when Stella and I conversed about this animals suitability or candidacy for what I was looking for in a horse." Guess you forgot she had barn help then. "The fact is that I won this case by facts and my truthful presentation. In fact, Judge Patrick Sullivan made this decision why don't you ask him if I won on a technicality'." The fact is Stella nor her witnesses were there to rebut the lies you presented. Of course the Judge found in your favor, he didn't see the evidence. "You still cannot produce an eye witness that heard our conversations about my purchasing needs or the conversation about showing him. We were alone with her in the arena." Again, you forget she had barn help. "No, she told me that he would be suitable for Bella Forma and Pleasure Gelding. He was suited for neither." She told you he would NOT be suitable. You left out that one word. "Yes, they have. If they decide to come forward then good. You will not read the submissions to my site that say do not publish', Michele. " And you will not allow anybody to post anything but positives on your website. "Once again, how did you get your information?" From the true source. "She offered him a non-gaited Paso for us to pay the added difference in price. " Actually, Treya is gaiting every day now. She just needed time to grow. "Due to a horse with mental problems. None of my other horses have ever offered to flip over. So now he landed on his head? Were you there for that too, Michele?" So you think only horses with mental problems flip over? "Your contributions to this site are someone else's fabrications and fantasy." My contributions are MY contributions, nobody elses. "If you are interested in learning the truth, Michele then come over to www.BadPasoFinoEthics.com" I've seen that terrible website. It's blasphemy. It's filled with only YOUR side of the story.

She gave you Terry's information. I've seen the proof... Incorrect and if you have proof' it was manufactured. Have you compared the post Terry Wallace supposedly made on APF? Look at what Stella offered the Hearing Committee and look at the locked post on APF. You will see that it was adulterated for submission to the PFHA Hearing Committee. You didn't give him time to adjust. You didn't desensitize him to his new surroundings. Surely you can understand that two years is enough time for a horse to adjust if he is ever going to do so. He was crazy till the day he was put down. You TIED HIM TO A DOOR HANDLE ON A TRUCK. Sometime go and look at the door handles on a 1999 Ford F350 truck. Then please explain how I did this. Stella never lied to you. I've read the emails. I've talked to the witnesses. First of all, she did lie to me and apparently she is still lying to you, Michele. Secondly, what did you discuss with the witnesses? No one was about when Stella and I conversed about this animals suitability or candidacy for what I was looking for in a horse. And again, she was found guilty on a technicality. You are not an attorney or a judge. The fact is that I won this case by facts and my truthful presentation. In fact, Judge Patrick Sullivan made this decision why don't you ask him if I won on a technicality'. Oh no, you made sure that nobody was around to see you beg her to not be upset that you wanted Bandito, not Malvado. Even though you had already agreed to buy Malvado. But there WERE people around when you were looking at the horse. Remember, she had help at the time. That was one of the witnesses that the attorney failed to call. Stella Manberg Wise set up each and every visit by appointment only. She called the shots on when I could come out, not me. You still cannot produce an eye witness that heard our conversations about my purchasing needs or the conversation about showing him. We were alone with her in the arena. Her witnesses' are a red herring. They had and have nothing factual or useful to add to this case. She told you he would be fine for OPEN shows, not breed shows, and never Bella Forma. No, she told me that he would be suitable for Bella Forma and Pleasure Gelding. He was suited for neither. Court transcripts are YOUR words, which are lies. Your misplaced belief in Stella is sad, Michele. Let's see, 30 years, hundreds of clients, yet NOBODY has EVER had a problem. Yes, they have. If they decide to come forward then good. You will not read the submissions to my site that say do not publish', Michele. She had ONE person that didn't get along with their horse and they traded for another. And how funny, she even AGREED to trade you a fair trade, one horse for another, no money changing hands, yet you disagreed. Once again, how did you get your information? Were you on the phone with my husband and Stella that day? She offered him a non-gaited Paso for us to pay the added difference in price. She agreed that if you would have a vet check him first, seeing as you caused him to flip over and slam his head, then she would refund you. But nobody in their right mind would willingly refund money on a horse that left safe and sound and has since flipped over, injuring themselves due to owner neglect. Due to a horse with mental problems. None of my other horses have ever offered to flip over. So now he landed on his head? Were you there for that too, Michele? Your propaganda is bilge water. Your contributions to this site are someone else's fabrications and fantasy. If you are interested in learning the truth, Michele then come over to www.BadPasoFinoEthics.com

"So Stella is not responsible for not showing up. Wonder why she hasnt sued her attorney for this incredible act of negligence? Is Stella unable to pick up a phone and call her attorney to find out what is going on?" 1 - No, Stella is not responsible for keeping track because that's what her attorney is hired to do. 2 - Stella is suing this attorney. She has hired another attorney and they are building the case now. 3 - Stella did pick up the phone to call and the attorney numerous times. He never returned her calls. "Bandito was unsafe for me the entire time I owned him. None of my other horses have ever behaved like him. He was in no way safe for me or my daughter. Look at the court transcript, look at Stellas rambling comments to the PFHA! She called him green which is not equated with beginner safe. She lied to me about his past and hid his past problems." She gave you Terry's information. I've seen the proof. She never lied to you. The entire time you were trying to buy Malvado, NOT Bandito. Could it possibly be YOUR fault the horse was acting up? You didn't give him time to adjust. You didn't desensitize him to his new surroundings. You TIED HIM TO A DOOR HANDLE ON A TRUCK. "Stella lied to me. She deliberately hid information. She was found guilty of NEGLIGENT MISREPRESENTATION in a court of law. If you and anyone else wishes to hold that in high regard that is your choice." Stella never lied to you. I've read the emails. I've talked to the witnesses. And again, she was found guilty on a technicality. "Michelle, were you there when I was looking at this horse? Where you or anyone present when I signed the contract to purchase him? " Oh no, you made sure that nobody was around to see you beg her to not be upset that you wanted Bandito, not Malvado. Even though you had already agreed to buy Malvado. But there WERE people around when you were looking at the horse. Remember, she had help at the time. That was one of the witnesses that the attorney failed to call. "Wait until you see the proof that she knew I wanted to show Bandito!" She told you he would be fine for OPEN shows, not breed shows, and never Bella Forma. "Court transcripts say: I wanted a beginner safe trail horse that would be competitive in the show ring. " Court transcripts are YOUR words, which are lies. "If you deal with Stella you may have to travel the road I have. " Let's see, 30 years, hundreds of clients, yet NOBODY has EVER had a problem. She had ONE person that didn't get along with their horse and they traded for another. And how funny, she even AGREED to trade you a fair trade, one horse for another, no money changing hands, yet you disagreed. She agreed that if you would have a vet check him first, seeing as you caused him to flip over and slam his head, then she would refund you. But nobody in their right mind would willingly refund money on a horse that left safe and sound and has since flipped over, injuring themselves due to owner neglect.

The information in the first paragraph of my report refers to the Civil Case held in Aiken County, South Carolina. I won the case, she was found guilty of Negligent Misrepresentation and admonished by the Court for her behavior. Stella also had filed a Libel suit against me which was dismissed. I had posted online looking for help after I figured out that she was hiding from me. The Paso Fino Horse Association held a hearing on July 6, 2007 and she was found in violation of the Fair Dealings Concerning Horses Rule. Thank you.

(The only reason that Stella Manberg-Wise was found guilty in civil court is because her attorney failed to inform her of when the hearing was to be held.) So Stella is not responsible for not showing up. Wonder why she hasnt sued her attorney for this incredible act of negligence? Is Stella unable to pick up a phone and call her attorney to find out what is going on? (There is numerous proof that Bandito was indeed safe, and any person with any kind of horse knowledge would have been able to handle him.) Bandito was unsafe for me the entire time I owned him. None of my other horses have ever behaved like him. He was in no way safe for me or my daughter. Look at the court transcript, look at Stellas rambling comments to the PFHA! She called him green which is not equated with beginner safe. She lied to me about his past and hid his past problems. (Stella is a completely truthful, wonderful person. She has been in the business for over 30 years and has numerous clients that hold her in very high regard.) Stella lied to me. She deliberately hid information. She was found guilty of NEGLIGENT MISREPRESENTATION in a court of law. If you and anyone else wishes to hold that in high regard that is your choice. (Jennifer is upset because she wanted a 'pretty' horse and expected more from said horse then he was sold for. He was NOT sold as a show horse, he was NOT sold for conformation classes or any of the sort.) Michelle, were you there when I was looking at this horse? Where you or anyone present when I signed the contract to purchase him? Wait until you see the proof that she knew I wanted to show Bandito! Court transcripts say: I wanted a beginner safe trail horse that would be competitive in the show ring. (Please do not take ANY stock into what has been said about Stella Manberg-Wise.) Please do, especially if you are in the market for a Paso Fino. If you deal with Stella you may have to travel the road I have. First do yourself a favor and check out my webpage: www.BadPasoFinoEthics.com Only a few more days and it will be up for all to see the TRUTH!

(The only reason that Stella Manberg-Wise was found guilty in civil court is because her attorney failed to inform her of when the hearing was to be held.) So Stella is not responsible for not showing up. Wonder why she hasnt sued her attorney for this incredible act of negligence? Is Stella unable to pick up a phone and call her attorney to find out what is going on? (There is numerous proof that Bandito was indeed safe, and any person with any kind of horse knowledge would have been able to handle him.) Bandito was unsafe for me the entire time I owned him. None of my other horses have ever behaved like him. He was in no way safe for me or my daughter. Look at the court transcript, look at Stellas rambling comments to the PFHA! She called him green which is not equated with beginner safe. She lied to me about his past and hid his past problems. (Stella is a completely truthful, wonderful person. She has been in the business for over 30 years and has numerous clients that hold her in very high regard.) Stella lied to me. She deliberately hid information. She was found guilty of NEGLIGENT MISREPRESENTATION in a court of law. If you and anyone else wishes to hold that in high regard that is your choice. (Jennifer is upset because she wanted a 'pretty' horse and expected more from said horse then he was sold for. He was NOT sold as a show horse, he was NOT sold for conformation classes or any of the sort.) Michelle, were you there when I was looking at this horse? Where you or anyone present when I signed the contract to purchase him? Wait until you see the proof that she knew I wanted to show Bandito! Court transcripts say: I wanted a beginner safe trail horse that would be competitive in the show ring. (Please do not take ANY stock into what has been said about Stella Manberg-Wise.) Please do, especially if you are in the market for a Paso Fino. If you deal with Stella you may have to travel the road I have. First do yourself a favor and check out my webpage: www.BadPasoFinoEthics.com Only a few more days and it will be up for all to see the TRUTH!

(The only reason that Stella Manberg-Wise was found guilty in civil court is because her attorney failed to inform her of when the hearing was to be held.) So Stella is not responsible for not showing up. Wonder why she hasnt sued her attorney for this incredible act of negligence? Is Stella unable to pick up a phone and call her attorney to find out what is going on? (There is numerous proof that Bandito was indeed safe, and any person with any kind of horse knowledge would have been able to handle him.) Bandito was unsafe for me the entire time I owned him. None of my other horses have ever behaved like him. He was in no way safe for me or my daughter. Look at the court transcript, look at Stellas rambling comments to the PFHA! She called him green which is not equated with beginner safe. She lied to me about his past and hid his past problems. (Stella is a completely truthful, wonderful person. She has been in the business for over 30 years and has numerous clients that hold her in very high regard.) Stella lied to me. She deliberately hid information. She was found guilty of NEGLIGENT MISREPRESENTATION in a court of law. If you and anyone else wishes to hold that in high regard that is your choice. (Jennifer is upset because she wanted a 'pretty' horse and expected more from said horse then he was sold for. He was NOT sold as a show horse, he was NOT sold for conformation classes or any of the sort.) Michelle, were you there when I was looking at this horse? Where you or anyone present when I signed the contract to purchase him? Wait until you see the proof that she knew I wanted to show Bandito! Court transcripts say: I wanted a beginner safe trail horse that would be competitive in the show ring. (Please do not take ANY stock into what has been said about Stella Manberg-Wise.) Please do, especially if you are in the market for a Paso Fino. If you deal with Stella you may have to travel the road I have. First do yourself a favor and check out my webpage: www.BadPasoFinoEthics.com Only a few more days and it will be up for all to see the TRUTH!

The rest of the story Nancy: I am an independent horse owner and trainer, have extensive experience with dangerous and problem horses and have multiple additional experienced trainers willing to help with him or take him on. Yes Nancy, you wanted to take him on. You were instructed that the only person who could get him was Stella. The reasoning for this is the fact that she was the one who sold him to me. She knew what she was buying when she purchased him, I knew nothing of this animals past when I bought him. I explained in my message to you on Americanpasofinos.com that Stella was the only one that he could go to. I would not bear the liability should he kill or maim someone. That includes you. Nancy: I offered to buy this horse for his full price of $3000 twice - once at the beginning of the problem and once later. I know the horse and his history. Yes Nancy, you did offer to purchase this horse for $3000 on two separate occasions. That is nice that you were willing to walk into this deal fully informed. That is something that I was denied. Nancy: I have documentation of the offers. Good. Enjoy your documentation. I have a lot of things regarding this animal documented too. Nancy My offers were refused. Yes, they were. Nancy: I am in no way affiliated with either party. This I dispute. You offered your services to Stella as a character witness at the Paso Fino Horse Association. You are clearly more closely affiliated with Stella than with myself. Nancy: Jennifer would not sell him but insisted that only Stella could take him back and later upped the price to $6000 or 'I'll put him down'. I would not sell him to you Nancy, you are correct. I have since seeking help online at Pasopedigree stated my belief that the animal would be put down if Stella was not willing to take him back. Stella had two years to come for him and she did not. The upped price reflects a mere pittance that was more than fair market value for the time I was boarding the animal for Stella. I was not going to maintain this horse for two years and not require some form of reimbursement. Nancy: This is all documented. You are being redundant. If you are not Nancy Strom who also posts on the WWW as: Motorgypsy and as Motor, then my apologies for identifying you incorrectly.

Jennifer, why haven't you sued in civil court for a refund? You wrote: "The Paso Fino Horse Association wrote: The Hearing Committee has further determined that for the violation of this rule, you are hereby officially censured by the Paso Fino Horse Assocation... " Seems to me you'd have an open and shut case. Once you win a judgement, you can request an enforcement order from the court to: levy against bank account. lien against real property. lien against private property, car, trailers, rv, boat, etc. levy against state income tax returns. garnishment of wages. The statute of limitations clock is running. Why haven't you sued?

The only reason that Stella Manberg-Wise was found guilty in civil court is because her attorney failed to inform her of when the hearing was to be held. There is numerous proof that Bandito was indeed safe, and any person with any kind of horse knowledge would have been able to handle him. Stella is a completely truthful, wonderful person. She has been in the business for over 30 years and has numerous clients that hold her in very high regard. Jennifer is upset because she wanted a "pretty" horse and expected more from said horse then he was sold for. He was NOT sold as a show horse, he was NOT sold for conformation classes or any of the sort. Please do not take ANY stock into what has been said about Stella Manberg-Wise.

I am an independent horse owner and trainer, have extensive experience with dangerous and problem horses and have multiple additional experienced trainers willing to help with him or take him on. I offered to buy this horse for his full price of $3000 twice - once at the beginning of the problem and once later. I know the horse and his history. I have documentation of the offers. My offers were refused. I am in no way affiliated with either party. Jennifer would not sell him but insisted that only Stella could take him back and later upped the price to $6000 or "I'll put him down". This is all documented.