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  • Report:  #125898

Complaint Review: Streams Ministries - John Paul Jackson - Streams Institute For Spiritual Development - North Sutton New Hampshire

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- Grandview, Missouri,
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Streams Ministries - John Paul Jackson - Streams Institute For Spiritual Development
231 Shaker Road North Sutton, 03260 New Hampshire, U.S.A.
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888-441-8080
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I'm sick and tired of Christians like this. The world would be a much better place without people like them on this planet.

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Can it be RIGHT to Rebuke PUBLICLY??

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Some Christians insist on applying Matt 18 to every situation. But what about FALSE TEACHERS? Matt 18 says that if my brother "sins against me" then I should go to him privately about it, then with one or two witnesses, then to the whole church if he does not repent. This is a very important process for resolving issues where a brother has sinned against me personally. But what about FALSE TEACHING of a serious nature? What if it is spreading or starting to infect whole sections of the body of Christ? Is it still just a "private matter"?

My understanding is that in the New Testament we NEVER see

Jesus or the apostles treating FALSE TEACHING as a "Matt 18" scenario. We see them publicly rebuking and correcting - trying to arrest the 'cancer' before it spreads any further. This is an act of LOVE towards the body. It is trying to stop the damage before too many precious sheep are harmed. False teaching and false prophets are never treated "NICELY" and "SWEETLY" in the New Testament!

Below, Dale McElroy has compiled a bunch of Scriptures relating to this, that you may find interesting:

"New Testament Correction methods"

"The New Testament gives several ways and instruction on how to correct people. The apostle Paul sometimes even turned people over to Satan to correct them. -See 1 Cor 5 and 1 Timothy 1:20.

Elders were commanded to correct severely in Titus 1:13. People are commanded to instruct with mercy or fear. -See Jude 22-23.

Jesus rebuked Peter openly in Matthew. Paul rebuked Peter publicly in Galatians 2 for his hypocrisy. Jesus whipped the sellers out of the temple in Mark 11 and John 2. (-They had made God's house a den of thieves).

In 1 Cor. 4:21 Paul asks the people, "Shall I come with love or a rod?" The apostle Paul used boldness in 2 Cor 10:1 and said that he would not spare anyone in 2 Cor 13:1-2. In 1 Timothy 5:20 a command is given to rebuke for sin publicly and in 2 Timothy 2:24-26 the instruction given is to correct with meekness. Col 1:28 gives the instruction to admonish and Hebrews 3:13 gives the instruction to exhort. Eph 5:11 gives the instruction to expose darkness. Gal 6:1 gives the instruction to correct with meekness if people are overtaken in a fault. Jude 3 gives the instruction to contend earnestly for the faith...." [END QUOTE].

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This is certainly an important issue in these Last Days, so it is vital that we understand what the New Testament is saying. The false teachers and false prophets in Acts were rebuked very harshly, and Paul sometimes "named names" in his letters to the churches. So surely we cannot continue to claim that this is a "Matt 18" situation? Surely it is more serious than that - and requires a more 'drastic' response?

Tammy

Somewhere in the USA, Missouri
U.S.A.


4 Updates & Rebuttals

healedoftheLord

Pensacola,
Florida,
United States of America
Letter to Tammy

#2Consumer Suggestion

Mon, September 13, 2010

Dear Tammy


Sometimes when the Holy Ghost is moving, there is a lot going on in the Spirit realm that is both good and bad. Innocent people can get hurt, and honest men of God can be caught in the middle. I only have heard your side of the story, but I hear that you are very hurt. I have been in situations that humiliated me and I felt hurt and angry.

First of all, in order to truly be Holy, we have to forgive the person. That is not a magic wand that makes the hurt go away, but it is what makes it possible. Secondly, we must be humble and willing to be the first to be willing to make amends. Even if you are not the main perpetrator here, you could write to the parties in question and apologize for your part in this. The Lord showed me that even if we see ourselves as totally wronged, there is always something we can repent for. If you were to be humble and do this, it will go a long way toward being heard.

I want you to try to see this from a different perspective. The enemy is trying to bring men and woman of God to nothing. He tries to break up relationships between pastor and congregant to prevent either party form receiving benefit. Maybe this misunderstanding did not originate from any of the men of God you mention. MAYBE there are OTHER people behind the scenes stirring it up. I know that I have been a victim of such. It makes it easier to forgive them when you understand how much attack they are under. 

I would bet that if you approached this with humility and respect, the awesome men of God you have referred to would be willing to hear you and discuss the problems you are having.

I know that Paul Keith Davis and his wife have prayed for me, and I found them to be right on and sweet people with gentle spirits. I pray for you that these wounds of yours will be healed and the love of God will engulf you and make you whole.

Blessings


Helene

Elgin,
Illinois,
U.S.A.
I HAVE NO USE FOR ANY PEOPLE WHO DO THIS STUFF

#3Consumer Comment

Mon, January 26, 2009

I am not prejudiced against Christians --- however it has been my experience that just because someone SAYS they are a Christian doesn't mean a thing. Wolves can disguise as sheep and you can SAY that you are anything that you want to be... I have personally witnessed people who claimed to be Christians --and even worse, they claimed to be clergy and teachers and they took the last dollars from the poor and ignorant and those who want to believe and to do the right thing.And in private life where their poor, deluded followers can't see, these people did stuff that Nero, Marquis de Sade and all other kinds of vile, crooked, decadent stuff... IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST WHICH is the Greek form of His name. Jesus was Jewish and there is no way he would have ever endorsed the blend of Pagan and Judaism hybrid monster that perpetuates abuse and exploitation in his name. I found that the Inquisition of the Church killing Jews in the name of a Jew--Jesus-- supposedly NEVER made sense. I think they wanted the Jews silenced or genocided because we know the truth and these people do NOT have it. Just because you people can quote the Scriptures does NOT make you a good person. It doesn't even make you a follower of Joshua bar Yousef! Some of the biggest criminals,liars, hypocrites and sadists I know have called themselves CHRISTIANS and people like that MAKE ME SICK! If there is a hell, it should be full of people who committed sacrilege and blasphemy !


Ignoranceisexpensive

Tega Cay,
South Carolina,
U.S.A.
Streams Ministries is full of Humble/Honest/Servants/Followers of Jesus!

#4Consumer Comment

Sun, January 25, 2009

I have attended several Streams Ministries workshops on Dream Interpretation, and other topics that are found in the Bible. They have never strayed from the Bible, never failed to give all the credit to Jesus Christ, and don't lift themselves up in any way. Their demeanor and teachings have never appeared self-serving, nor prideful, and their motivation nothing but a hunger and love for God and a hunger to see other fellow humans walk in the fullness of Christ and fulfill the destiny that God has purposed for them. I have never seen any fruit come when 'elders' from one fellowship of Christians, rebuke a brother in Christ from a different fellowship of believers. Particularly in front of unbelievers. We as Christians each have different giftings and callings, all centered on, and faithful to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And each group of believers is called to walk in and be fruitful in what God has given them, till we all behold the face of Christ, and come in to his unity. We are all different! God loves diversity! No one at Streams is denying Christ, or promoting heresy. They are just remaining faithful to what God has shown them in Scripture. There seems to be a lot of hurt and anger from Tammy, and I hope she finds the healing and love that she needs. I'm sure that God will touch her and apprehend her with His Love.


Tammy

Grandview,
Missouri,
U.S.A.
Addendum

#5Author of original report

Tue, August 01, 2006

Ah, yes...John Paul Jackson. The one who wrote the book, "Unmasking the Jezebel Spirit" AND "How To Be A Prophet Without Being a Jerk"...unbeknownst to him, HE is the one who has a Jezebel Spirit...HE is the one who is a JERK. Please pardon me everyone if I offend you, but I must speak the truth. Therefore, I cannot coat the truth with sugar to make it appeal to your flesh. The Lord has revealed many things to me about him, and to others as well. I have communicated with people who have had similar revelations, and have seen the same things that I have. JPJ = John Paul JEZEBEL JPJ - John Paul Jerkoff JPJ = John SAUL Jackson also...Stonewall Jackson Okay, I have many complaints about him. He is prideful, unteachable, fearful of man, a control-freak, a BULLY, a jezebel, stoney-hearted, unrepentant, and this is just a brief listing. For starters, I returned products to his "ministry", and I was never refunded for the returned products. I spoke to several different people at his "ministry", including a girl named Donna, and every single one of these people hung up on me. So it wasn't just an accident - they hung up on me ON PURPOSE!! ...and no...I never got my money back! Not to mention all the harassment from him and buddies of his, including annihilating me, character assassinations, bullying me around, lying about me, and publicly embarrassing me in front of hundreds of people. John Paul is as good as a cult leader who is able to control others to do what he wants them to do. Nobody ever questions what he says - nobody ever checks the Bible out to see what it says. Whatever John Paul says IS the gospel, and he manages to manipulate people into doing things that are completely contrary to the Word of God, and has single-handedly turned hundreds of people against me - people whom I don't even know!!! Leaders are supposed to BUILD UP. But all this man does is TEAR ME DOWN with slander, maligning, character assassinations, and wreaking all kinds of havoc, dissension, and division in my life & in the Body of Christ. If you think this is harsh, I haven't even started yet! If you only knew the rest of the details and endless stories I could tell that would horrify most God-fearing, God-on-the-Throne Christians who seek to live a holy and pure life before Christ. But I am witholding much of that information, mostly because it would contain an entire library! (or at least an entire bookshelf in a library - LOL) I have witnesses that could back up my stories. People who have worked for him will say that there are Jezebels in his ministry, and I suppose that JPJ is the head Jez. I have been completely traumatized through his abusive treatment, and I will NEVER go back to church EVER again! Especially after my last experience I had at Rick Joyner's church when Paul Keith Davis slandered me because of garbage John Paul said to him about me; and the end result was having the security guard kick me out of the church conference on the second day after I had driven 1300 miles to get there! I NEVER did ANYTHING wrong or anything deserving of being kicked out. It was Paul Keith Davis who instigated the problems that resulted in my being booted out of the church. I have been to Rick Joyner's church dozens and DOZENS of times (at least 20 times), prior to my last visit there, and I NEVER had one single incident or one single problem - that is...until PAUL KEITH came along! And PK, like so many others, just believed whatever the almighty John Paul said about me, and the end result was like all the other occasions at other churches I've been to where JP or his buddies had been - me being stalked and harassed by security people, chased around the church and around the church parking lot at all those churches and at Rick J's church, which eventually led up to me being kicked out the church doors like a useless worthless barrel of garbage for absolutely NO REASON AT ALL. When I left Rick J's church, I went over to Mahesh and Bonnie Chavda's church which is only five minutes away. And by the time I got there, word had already spread like a Trojan virus to people over there; and they kicked me out as well based on the lies, slander, maligning and gossip someone else said to them about me ? that someone else being Paul Keith, and the security guard, Doug Lee, and who knows who else is involved in this MOB-LYNCHING!!! I have also been to Mahesh Chavda's church NUMEROUS times ? at least 20 times. Both Mahesh and Bonnie prayed for me a couple times when I was there. I had been to their church as much as I had been to Rick J's church, and NEVER had ANY problems at EITHER church?that is?until good ?ol PAUL KEITH instigated all the problems for me at BOTH churches!!!! Now I can never go back to EITHER of them EVER again because they threatened to call the police on me and have me arrested if I returned!!!! This is church??? *LOL* Seems more like Matthew 10:17 to me! ?But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will SCOURGE YOU in their SYNAGOGUES? I would swear on the Bible with what I am saying is the honest truth. JOHN PAUL IS THE INSTIGATOR IN EVERY SINGLE SITUATION that I am describing, here, and also in every occasion that I have not even mentioned in this forum. This is what the LORD says! But does John Paul, Paul Keith, Bonnie, or anyone else ever pay attention to it and take it to heart? ? DO THEY EVER TAKE IT SERIOUSLY??? Exodus 22:22-24 22 ?You shall not afflict any widow or FATHERLESS CHILD. 23 If you AFFLICT them in ANY way, and they cry AT ALL to Me, I will SURELY hear their cry; 24 and My wrath will become hot, and I WILL KILL YOU with the sword; your WIVES shall be WIDOWS, and your CHILDREN...FATHERLESS. ========== Reflection Of Something by Todd Agnew Listen: http://play.rhapsody.com/playlistcentral/playlistdetail? tracks=7549275+7549275&title=My+Jesus&from=sh_em&sh_em_tp=userplaylis t Lyrics: Which Jesus do you follow? Which Jesus do you serve? If Ephesians says to imitate Christ, Why do you look so much like the world? Cause my Jesus bled and died He spent His time with thieves and liars He loved the poor and accosted the arrogant So which one do you want to be? Blessed are the poor in spirit Or do we pray to be blessed with the wealth of this land Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for righteousness Or do we ache for another taste of this world of shifting sand Cause my Jesus bled and died for my sins He spent His time with thieves and sluts and liars He loved the poor and accosted the rich So which one do you want to be? Who is this that You follow? This picture of the American dream If Jesus was here would you walk right by on the other side Or fall down and worship at His holy feet? Holy, yea! Pretty blue eyes and curly brown hair and a clear complexion Is how you see Him as He dies for Your sins But the Word says He was battered and scarred Or did you miss that part? Sometimes I doubt we'd recognize Him Cause my Jesus bled and died He spent His time with thieves and the least of these He loved the poor and accosted the comfortable So which one do you want to be? Cause my Jesus would never be accepted in my church The blood and dirt on His feet might stain the carpet But He reaches for the hurting and despises the proud And I think He'd prefer Beale St. to the stained glass crowd And I know that He can hear me if I cry out loud I wanna be like my Jesus I Wanna be like my Jesus I wanna be like my Jesus, yea I Wanna be like my Jesus, Oooh, oooh, oooh-oooohooooohoooooh Not a posterchild for American prosperity, like my Jesus You see I'm tired of living for success and popularity I want to be like my Jesus but I'm not sure what that means to be like You Jesus Cause You said to live like You, love like You but then You died for me Can I be like You Jesus? I wanna be like you Jesus I wanna be like my Jesus ======== Thank you Slice of Laodicea for allowing me to post this here, and I hope you will allow it to remain forever, and will not remove my posting. I spent quite a bit of time writing it. Thank you again.

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