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  • Report:  #102468

Complaint Review: Cydcor - Conshohocken Pennsylvania

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- Dresher, Pennsylvania,
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Cydcor
1100 E. Hector Street Conshohocken, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
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Tell us has your experience with this business or person been good? What's this?
My experience was much the same as everyone else's, and if you'd like to debate whether or not Cydcor/DS Max or whatever businesses shimmy underneath their umbrella are cult-like, consider this:

1. The first interview is always very brief. About 80% of the time, you are brought into the office in pairs.

2. The second interview is always the next day, promptly at 9am. You are not told that you are going to follow a sales representative and view a cold-call outing first-hand. I personally was told I was going to see some presentations. How about being more specific...

3. The overly-enthusiastic secretary. What is up with that? Honestly, that secretary is the luckiest one there with an hourly salary. And she has full control of #4...

4. Loud music playing. Ok, the average age of the employees under Cydcor's umbrella is 23. And if managers are making 6 figures, they can afford a really nice stereo system to blast music, most-likely R&B or rap, down corporate hallways. For people who take themselves so seriously, this hardly fits such a reputation.

5. I'm sorry, but when you work 16 hour work days and are asked to go on retreats, road trips, and meetings in the early morning and evening and Company Nights, you have now considerably isolated yourself from people who are NOT in the business. There's pride in your company and enjoying what you do and then flat out manipulation of your surroundings and influences. If you're a Cydcor employee and you can't see that, then you need to see a psychologist to help you realize what you can't realize for yourself.

6. The notion that if you haven't made a sale today, you have failed. Or the notion that if you've quit Cydcor in a few hours, days, weeks, months, or years, you have failed. That, again, is a wonderful manipulation on the part of the managers, team leaders (team brainwashers sounds more like it), etc. It's not about not being cut out for cold-calling (because, after all, isn't your training supposed to be AMAZING? Making each sales rep SUCCESSFUL if they really want to be?). It's not even about HARD WORK. It's about ETHICS. When you realize you're bothering businesses (my 2nd interview took me to a dentist's office. It's like going to a hospital emergancy room and soliciting THEM...), you quit because it's UNETHICAL. When you don't want work to become your entire world or are losing sleep, losing weight, watching your health deteriorate, and feeling unhappy and you quit: THAT'S NOT FAILURE. THAT'S INTELLIGENCE.

7. Money is used to justify all actions. You can't argue with statistics. Managers ARE making 6 figure salaries, as promised. I suppose that helps pay the debts they've dug for themselves in the lower levels. Because you can't argue with the OTHER statistics: making LESS than minimum wage in the entry level position. 16 hours, Saturdays, etc. and you've put milage on your car, you're out a couple tanks of gas among other things. And the managers will say it's YOUR problem. YOU'VE FAILED. Are you seeing the psychotic nature of Cydcor's ideology now?

8. Chanting and codewords. JUICE, for example. I witnessed the 1-2-3 TEAMWORK!!! I text-messaged my boyfriend with, "OMIGOD, I THINK THIS IS A CULT" while I waited to go on my 2nd interview. And boy, was I right. It's not bad to have enthusiasm in what you do or where you work, but doing this every day, twice a day, 16 hours a day...they've basically got you brainwashing yourself.

You're welcome to ad to the list.

Maggie

Dresher, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.


13 Updates & Rebuttals

Danielle

Hudson,
Pennsylvania,
U.S.A.
Thank God I wised up!!

#2UPDATE EX-employee responds

Fri, June 23, 2006

I worked for the same company that all of you did in Conshy. Hell I was dumb b/c I relocated to there from 2 hours away. I will honestly say I was brainwashed and instead of motivating me it crushed my self-confindence and my spirit. I only lasted a month but I realized I couldn't take it anymore when after "atmosphere" everyday I'd go to my car and bawl my eyes out b/c I couldn't do it. Yes, it sounded too good to b true. And a year and a thousands of dollars in debt later, I will try to keep other people from making my mistake. Thank God I wised up! I still think the only reason I took the job was b/c of the owner being eye candy. Which was the only good thing about it.


Elizabeth

Fayettvill,
North Carolina,
U.S.A.
Empty Marketing/Loss "Business Ventures"

#3UPDATE EX-employee responds

Sat, January 07, 2006

If the product your company is forcing you to market is not worth 2 cents, of course your not going to feel well decision rusing the owner of the company your trying to market to. Bottom line is, at no time is it appropriate to conduct business on empty marketing.


Alberta

Baltimore,
Maryland,
U.S.A.
Excellent Comment

#4UPDATE EX-employee responds

Sun, December 04, 2005

I read a comment from a Sales Pro and wanted to respond. I agree with your comment concerning making appointments to meet with "decision makers," and stated this point to my leader and he stated that we don't do that. I was given a set of rules to follow concering my door to door sales pitch, my job was to get past the gatekeeper, get to the decision maker without an appointment, and utimately sell the decision maker right then and there. Setting an appointment was considered a "crawel back." Crawel back meaning you where going back to pitch the decision maker without knowing for sure you had a sell. Setting an appointment with a person verbally stating they wanted to purchase something was considered a "call back." Call backs and crawel backs where discouraged by my leader. I found this to be very strange. Having been an office manager (gatekeeper), I appreciated people who valued my time and made an appointment. Since the job with Advertising Endeavers (cydcor) was my first sales job ever - i figured they knew what they where doing. Later I discovered that - I was to create that since of urgency, fear of loss if you will to cause the potential client to make a decision quickly. I know this is a part of sales, but most educated consumers do not go for the "rushing the decision maker" tactic. Does this in your face method work? Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. As a newbie sales person progresses with learning different sales tactics they will eventually come into their own with a sales tactic that works for them. How does a person who makes I living off of how well they are able to rush a decision maker sleep at night?? I cannot answer that -- I never got to that level.


William

Livingston,
Texas,
U.S.A.
Observations and suggestions from a sales pro.

#5Consumer Comment

Sat, December 11, 2004

Hello all. I'd like to share my experience with what I'm sure were these Cydcore sales people in action, and offer some advice from a seasoned sales pro. While waiting for a scheduled meeting in the reception area of KUHT (PBS television), in Houston TX., in walk three nicely attired young gentlemen. I overheard the leader of this trio informing the receptionist that they were there to see the person in charge of purchasing office supplies. The receptionist then asked if they had an appointment, to which the leader responded, no. It was at this time that the person I was meeting with, emerged from the door leading to the offices, and called me in. Free advice: 1) Call ahead of time, and speak to the person you need to meet with, and set an appointment. 2) Ask that person, that you would like to bring along x-amount of trainees, if it is allright? 3) If you are going to cold call in person, then ask the receptionist for the name, and that you will call to make an appointment, but if that person is available now, that you would be glad to meet with them. This has got me in the door on some occaisions, but more often than not, you will have to call for the appointment. Either way, it shows your proffesionalism, and will get you better results. Note: I seriously doubt that you will get in, cold calling in person, with trainees in tow. I'm not goin to debate if Cydcore is a cult or not, just wanted to offer some advice on good selling. So with that, I will bid you farewell.


William

Livingston,
Texas,
U.S.A.
Observations and suggestions from a sales pro.

#6Consumer Comment

Sat, December 11, 2004

Hello all. I'd like to share my experience with what I'm sure were these Cydcore sales people in action, and offer some advice from a seasoned sales pro. While waiting for a scheduled meeting in the reception area of KUHT (PBS television), in Houston TX., in walk three nicely attired young gentlemen. I overheard the leader of this trio informing the receptionist that they were there to see the person in charge of purchasing office supplies. The receptionist then asked if they had an appointment, to which the leader responded, no. It was at this time that the person I was meeting with, emerged from the door leading to the offices, and called me in. Free advice: 1) Call ahead of time, and speak to the person you need to meet with, and set an appointment. 2) Ask that person, that you would like to bring along x-amount of trainees, if it is allright? 3) If you are going to cold call in person, then ask the receptionist for the name, and that you will call to make an appointment, but if that person is available now, that you would be glad to meet with them. This has got me in the door on some occaisions, but more often than not, you will have to call for the appointment. Either way, it shows your proffesionalism, and will get you better results. Note: I seriously doubt that you will get in, cold calling in person, with trainees in tow. I'm not goin to debate if Cydcore is a cult or not, just wanted to offer some advice on good selling. So with that, I will bid you farewell.


Rob Wilson

Independence,
Missouri,
U.S.A.
Renee, You truly are a confused individual. One has to only examine the sheer ammount of complaints about these companies to be able to draw a conclusion as to how pathetic they are.

#7UPDATE EX-employee responds

Fri, December 10, 2004

Well, Where do I begin? Its a common addage that where there is smoke there is fire correct? One has to only examine the sheer ammount of complaints about these companies to be able to draw a conclusion as to how pathetic they are. I can state this from experience as well. Whats so odd is that if you look around you will see some people that defend these companies, only to later come back and bash them. What does this tell you? That the whole brainwashing technique is indeed working efficently. When I was a recent grad out of The University Of Missouri, I too, fell for one of these clone companies ads. Anyone, even those who are high school droputs let alone college grads, could certainly find something better to do than get invloved with these deploreable companies. Sooner or later, even people as absent minded as our Renee here, will come to see the error of her ways. For those of you interested in joining a particulairly large class action lawsuit against DS-MAX, Granton, Cydcor, and all its clone s, I am glad to announce that we have finally got a decent law firm (Humphrey, Farrington, and McClian) to take action. We have almost 3000 claimants so far and are planning a lawsuit that is sure to reach in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Any former Employee is urged to join us, and any individual with any specific evidence or particularly damming experience I urge you to contact me so that we may add your deposition. With any luck, if we combine our resources we may even be able to save Renee from herslef! Cheers!


Maggie

Dresher,
Pennsylvania,
U.S.A.
Yes, I've already gone to the media...

#8Consumer Comment

Mon, August 16, 2004

Dear Renee, Yes, I definitely have interest in going to the media about Empire Marketing and Cydcor as a whole. I have contacted Fox Undercover about Empire Marketing, but they called me back when I was driving in my car and we got disconnected. I plan on calling them again to tell them the rest of the story. This company has to be shut down. It not only rips off companies, but it certainly hurts those who work for them, too (whether they realize it at first or not). CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.


Ren

Huntingdon Valley,
Pennsylvania,
U.S.A.
Welcome to the club

#9UPDATE EX-employee responds

Mon, August 16, 2004

Yeah, I wrote my own rip-off report a few weeks ago. Glad you got out. If you scroll back a few weeks you will pribily find my report, actually. It may be a decent idea to link them. My question is...do you have any interest in going to the media with this?


Maggie

Ambler,
Pennsylvania,
U.S.A.
Renee, SEE NUMBER 6! ..Your support system IS BRAINWAINWASHING. ISOLATING EMPLOYEES FROM INFLUENCES OUTSIDE THE COMPANY.

#10Author of original report

Thu, August 12, 2004

You see, even you are a little drone of Empire Marketing. Your support system IS BRAINWAINWASHING. ISOLATING EMPLOYEES FROM INFLUENCES OUTSIDE THE COMPANY. And here you are saying "gotta work hard for it." Isn't signing away your LABOR RIGHTS a little suspicious?! It's not a sales job my a*s. Come on, when they told me how you move up in the company and what you do...they told me even the MANAGERS go DOOR TO DOOR. I have the full story--my experience is one of many and reading this website, I learned about what it's like to ACCEPT the position and even how "wonderful" it is to be a manager (sure you make 100,000, but most of it goes right back into maintaining the splinter business. Doesn't seem so glamourous to me!) and perhaps you should read every post about Cydcor on this website so you, TOO, have the FULL STORY.


Maggie

Ambler,
Pennsylvania,
U.S.A.
Renee, SEE NUMBER 6! ..Your support system IS BRAINWAINWASHING. ISOLATING EMPLOYEES FROM INFLUENCES OUTSIDE THE COMPANY.

#11Author of original report

Thu, August 12, 2004

You see, even you are a little drone of Empire Marketing. Your support system IS BRAINWAINWASHING. ISOLATING EMPLOYEES FROM INFLUENCES OUTSIDE THE COMPANY. And here you are saying "gotta work hard for it." Isn't signing away your LABOR RIGHTS a little suspicious?! It's not a sales job my a*s. Come on, when they told me how you move up in the company and what you do...they told me even the MANAGERS go DOOR TO DOOR. I have the full story--my experience is one of many and reading this website, I learned about what it's like to ACCEPT the position and even how "wonderful" it is to be a manager (sure you make 100,000, but most of it goes right back into maintaining the splinter business. Doesn't seem so glamourous to me!) and perhaps you should read every post about Cydcor on this website so you, TOO, have the FULL STORY.


Maggie

Ambler,
Pennsylvania,
U.S.A.
Renee, SEE NUMBER 6! ..Your support system IS BRAINWAINWASHING. ISOLATING EMPLOYEES FROM INFLUENCES OUTSIDE THE COMPANY.

#12Author of original report

Thu, August 12, 2004

You see, even you are a little drone of Empire Marketing. Your support system IS BRAINWAINWASHING. ISOLATING EMPLOYEES FROM INFLUENCES OUTSIDE THE COMPANY. And here you are saying "gotta work hard for it." Isn't signing away your LABOR RIGHTS a little suspicious?! It's not a sales job my a*s. Come on, when they told me how you move up in the company and what you do...they told me even the MANAGERS go DOOR TO DOOR. I have the full story--my experience is one of many and reading this website, I learned about what it's like to ACCEPT the position and even how "wonderful" it is to be a manager (sure you make 100,000, but most of it goes right back into maintaining the splinter business. Doesn't seem so glamourous to me!) and perhaps you should read every post about Cydcor on this website so you, TOO, have the FULL STORY.


Maggie

Ambler,
Pennsylvania,
U.S.A.
Renee, SEE NUMBER 6! ..Your support system IS BRAINWAINWASHING. ISOLATING EMPLOYEES FROM INFLUENCES OUTSIDE THE COMPANY.

#13Author of original report

Thu, August 12, 2004

You see, even you are a little drone of Empire Marketing. Your support system IS BRAINWAINWASHING. ISOLATING EMPLOYEES FROM INFLUENCES OUTSIDE THE COMPANY. And here you are saying "gotta work hard for it." Isn't signing away your LABOR RIGHTS a little suspicious?! It's not a sales job my a*s. Come on, when they told me how you move up in the company and what you do...they told me even the MANAGERS go DOOR TO DOOR. I have the full story--my experience is one of many and reading this website, I learned about what it's like to ACCEPT the position and even how "wonderful" it is to be a manager (sure you make 100,000, but most of it goes right back into maintaining the splinter business. Doesn't seem so glamourous to me!) and perhaps you should read every post about Cydcor on this website so you, TOO, have the FULL STORY.


Renee

Chicago,
Illinois,
U.S.A.
I would love to reply

#14REBUTTAL Individual responds

Wed, August 11, 2004

I worked out of that office on a road trip once.. so I speak from personal experience working with Liz and her crew. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT A SALES JOB! They are teaching people how to run their own business. Can you work a 40 hour week and advance as quickly as Empire lets you? NO! Do you know that 85% of businesses fail in the US in their first 2 years? 20% of Cydcor businesses fail. Because of the support system that we have. Do you have to work hard for it? yes! Is everyone willing to do it? no! Is that what success is? yes! 2% of Americans make six figures salaries... it's not an easy task. If you can't sacrifice you shouldn't criticize either. It's not for everyone.. and you are entitled to your opinion. But get the full story before you attach something.

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