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  • Report:  #189381

Complaint Review: Empire Today - Rancho Cucamonga California

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- Rancho Cucamonga, California,
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Empire Today
[email protected] Rancho Cucamonga, 91730 California, U.S.A.
Phone:
1-8005882300
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Find My Detailed Letter to Empire Below:

04/20/2006

Empire Today, LLC

Installation Department

333 North West Avenue

North Lake, Illinois 60164

(Ref # 1-158700196, 1-158592320, 1-158700196 & 1-164-364892)

Dear Manager of Installation:

I am writing in regards to a growing list of concerns that have come about after investing in your company's hard surface flooring and installation. On 3/25/2006, I had an in-home estimate completed by one of your salesman, Mr. Aaron Vasquez (D32FL). On the day of this consultation, I informed Mr. Vasquez of my intent to replace my current flooring, carpet and tile, with your laminate product. He was eager to do business with me and went about providing me quotes for two areas. One area, I would be doing immediately. The other area, I wished to wait on, as I wanted to make certain that I liked the look of the flooring against my cabinets, painting, interior design, etc. He proceeded to give me two quotes for cost, but only wrote up one for the area that was of immediate need.

Mr. Marquez then informed me that they would go over the tile in my house. The tile is approximately a quarter of an inch to an inch thick. Although suspicious, I felt that he was offering sound advice, since he was in the business of consulting on and selling hardwood floors. I thought Empire flooring was a reputable business with several years of success, and that it would be top quality work. Mr. Marquez further assured me that laying laminate over tile is a quite common practice and would not be problematic at all. I even inquired about the possibility of having installation difficulties if I were to indeed put laminate in the other areas of interest. He then offered me assurance that this would not be a problem and that this is done all the time. He never once quoted or gave me the option to remove the tile. He never said that removing my tile was an option, nor did he provide me any disclosures / warnings about possible damages, cosmetic issues, or problems that could arise from laying laminate over tile. He proceeded to write the word go over tile on my contract.

The first crew of installers came on 4/2/2006, to do three areas (two bathrooms, and my kitchen). They asked me, Do you want to go over your tile? I said, Yes, My salesperson said that this is best. They proceeded with placing laminate product in those three rooms over my tile. When they were all done, I noticed that in a couple small areas, the floor was less stable and was pulling away from the base board. I informed the lead worker, and he said that he would take care of this before he left. As he left he informed me that he had fixed the problem area. He also showed me that the door to my garage has lost some of it's mobility as the floor was too high and the door could barely clear it and had to be closed with force now.

Immediately upon him leaving I went to walk the weak areas and the problem had not been fixed at all. They continued to separate from the base, and I found similar occurrences in other areas. I called customer service to report the garage door and the buckling and they assured me that the problem would be fixed.

On 04/03/2006, the first crew came back to look at the areas of concern. They told me, I will fix this, I know it is bad. They went on to explain that they could not fix it now as they had another job to go and do, but they would be back.

I called my sales representative Aaron. Again, I firmly believed in your company's ability to deliver, therefore I met with Aaron on 4/04/2006 to discuss my concerns and the other areas of interest. I liked the coloring of the flooring, and thought that the door and the weak areas could be resolved quickly and simply. We agreed to proceed with the other areas and he assured me that my concerns would be resolved and addressed with the crew that would come to do the next portion of my order. This crew was supposed to be one of his best crews.

The next crew came out on 4/05/2006 to complete my order of now having laminate laid in my living room, dining room, and hallway. This crew was also to resolve the buckling areas of my floors that the first crew was seemingly unable to resolve. They began pulling up my carpet.

Shortly after the new crew's arrival, I knew I had a major problem on my hands. They inquired about the problem areas. They seemed shocked that tile was under my laminate. They all stopped tearing at the carpet and said to me, this cannot be fixed easily; I will have to remove the tile as your floors will not be leveled. They notified me immediately that they would never lay laminate over tile, and that I would have a real cosmetic issue if I were keep the tile down. They called their supervisor as I began to make calls.

Sitting there with my carpet now ripped to shreds, I called my local market manager (Juan), as well as my sales person. They end agreement was that it would now be in my best interest and the crew's best interest to pull the first job up, remove my tile, and start over to correctly lay the laminate. I recall Aaron saying, let's just pull it up and do it right. I agreed.

Your second crew was a lot more honest, reliable, and cautious. Their craftsmanship was notably better than the first crew. Meanwhile, Aaron called me and informed me that I will be responsible for the $400 additional dollars in cost to have my tile removed. I did not agree with that. I felt that if I hadn't been misadvised in the first place, then the tile removal would have been a part of my initial quote, the work would have been done properly, and I wouldn't have been inconvenienced by having to make several follow-up phone calls & efforts to have the problem resolved. I felt that it would be better customer service to just waive these cost, since such a huge error had been made in advising me.

He informed me despite my concerns that he would be charging this amount to my account. I began to see that I would probably have to deal with this issue in terms of management as my salesperson was not being reasonable.

It took a total of three days for this crew to complete the job of pulling up the old crew's work, my existing tile, and laying new product down. I was finally much more satisfied with the crew's work; however the following problems remain: the casings of my doors are now cut too high in several rooms (seven doors total), there is a whole in my drywall, and my base is now coming up from the area next to my fireplace. In regards to the casings of my doors, the first crew had to cut out a huge chunk to accommodate two levels of flooring. The second crew informed that this was not their fault, and that there was really nothing reasonable that they could do about it. They said that they do not recommend putting silicone in the gaps. They said the whole in the drywall was the responsibility of the first set of installers as well. I told them that I would be taking this up with management.

I reported these problems on 04/7/2006, as the second crew rapped up. The second crew took pictures of all my lingering concerns and said that management would call me. On 04/15/2006, a reported installation specialist came to my home to inspect the areas of concern. He offered to fix the problem by putting silicone in the gaps. This was unacceptable, as the second crew informed me that this wasn't the best method of repair. I refused that service. This specialist then informed me that he needed to take pictures of the damage again. He said that his supervisor would be contacting me.

Since this date I have not heard anything on behalf of Empire and their plan to address my concerns. I have made several calls to customer service on the following dates (4/19/06), (4/23/2006), 04/26/2006). I have been consistently told tht management will be contacting me in three business days and I have heard nothing from management.

On my last call to customer service, I informed them of my intent to write to the corporate offices, they extended an excuse of being behind in my local market. This letter is to serve as formal notice that if a plan of resolution is not presented to me within the next calendar month, I will take your company's neglect and avoidance as an indication that my concerns are being ignored or are not valid in your opinion. Furthermore, I may seek legal counsel as well as choose to file a claim with Small Claims Court.

Again, I am seeking that my door casings are restored to acceptable appearance, my baseboards are properly tacked down, and my drywall is repaired.

Courtney

Rancho Cucamonga, California
U.S.A.


5 Updates & Rebuttals

Courtney

Rancho Cucamonga,
California,
U.S.A.
Just for Paper Trail Purposes

#2Author of original report

Wed, July 05, 2006

Empire contacted me again saying that they would be sending someone out on Thursday, June 29th, 2006 to finally make repairs to my home as listed above. Of course I agreed,and coincidentally I was on summer vacation. The gentleman arrived to my house in a timely manner; however, he was immaculately dressed and I could not figure how he was to make repairs to drywall and door casing (molding). He had on dress slacks, a silk shirt, dress shoes, and a lot of cologne. I was immediately alarmed as I saw no tool box in his hand. I immediately started to question his purposes. As I thought he was there to assess. I immeidately turned him away. I said no more assessments. Empire has sent two individuals to my home on three different occasions for pictures and assessments. The whole thing is beginning to feel a bit scary to me. I will no longer allow any attempts at repair for this company. I am afraid at the number of various contractors and service providers I am allowing in my home. This cannot be wise or safe. It appears that this compnay does not have a systematic approach to repair that will allow for minimal privacy envasion and inconveneince for their customers.


Sinatra

Northlake,
Illinois,
U.S.A.
Resolution

#3UPDATE Employee

Fri, June 23, 2006

Again we are able to do the necessary repairs, but a date has to be set with the "cooperating" customer in order to resolve this matter. So if there is a change of mind and Ms. Hilton wants to resolve the matter, please return my call from the message that I (Resolution Specialist)left to "Resolve" this situation. Thank you.


Courtney

Rancho Cucamonga,
California,
U.S.A.
It's a Miracle! I got a response, but still no resolution! This is a Nightmare!

#4Author of original report

Tue, June 20, 2006

Unbelieveable! Empire sent the same crew out to allegedly make all the repairs listed above. When they arrived they notified me that they were only there to repair the area on my fireplace that was now lifting. Bummer! I took off half a day off for them to just come and nail down a baseboard that was lifting. It took them five minutes! They took a look at the area that was lifting and then told me that I should not use my fireplace, as the floor will continually rise, and may become more damaged from the heat. They said this is why most fireplaces have tile in front of them. Unbelieveable I thought. Why in the heck didn't someone disclose that it was not wise to lay the product in front of a fireplace before they so casually laid it there. They advised me about laying it in my bathroom and water damage. Wjat about heat damage? I thought to myself, I have left over tile in my garage that I could have had a contractor lay. I would have never wanted to loose the option of burning my fireplace. Aren't they the installation specialist. Since they had this knowledge, why not warn the customer that this can result. In the meantime, I check the Rip Off site and Mr. Sinatra has written a rebuttal. I immediately contacted him. I thought this gentleman was really going to help. He was afterall from the "corportate office". He had a fancy title "Resolution Specialist". He made an appointment with me for the end of May, to have a specialist come in and repair my drywall and my door casings. I was thrilled. I deceided that I would take off work, because I certainly don't want to miss this opportunity to resolve this issue. They gave me a 12:00-3:00 window. Well guess what! I took a day off work and a I get a no show. I called the closer it got to three to tell him that no one had showed, no one called, or expressed any intention of showing. They typically do call when they are coming out. Mr. Sinatra made a few calls to California local market, then became very apologetic saying that he was not aware that he needed to contact another department to have this work done, and I thought to myself, and your title is resolution specialist. How on earth are you to be a specialist at resolution when, you dont even know the first about whom you need to contact to resolve things. Then you have a customer sitting at home all day, wasting a vacation day, and didnt have the descency to call and say that in actuallity you had not set up a repair. Then he attempted to make a second appointment. I told him I am not wasting anymore vacation days because they are too unreliable. I said I have been very patient in giving the company every opportunity to resolve the matter. I will probably need to take you to court to get resolution. He said snidely "Even if you do we still will get the chance to make repairs".


Sinatra

Northlake,
Illinois,
U.S.A.
Empire Today

#5UPDATE Employee

Fri, May 19, 2006

Dear Valued Customers, Thank you for your postings on www.ripoffreport.com. As the advocate of Empire's Customer Issue Resolution Center, it is my job to make sure that we achieve complete customer satisfaction. I was truly disappointed to see that you have been dissatisfied with your recent dealings with our company. Please understand that I was unable to look into this important matter further or contact you because your postings were done unanimously. I am sure that we can resolve your concerns, as we are committed to providing quality customer service. We maintain a customer service telephone number specifically to work with our customers to address their concerns in a prompt and professional manner. Please call us toll-free at or 800-588-2300. Sincerely, Sinatra Hrobowski Resolutions Specialist Empire Today, LLC


Courtney

Rancho Cucamonga,
California,
U.S.A.
SORRY I SEE TYPOS

#6Author of original report

Mon, May 01, 2006

The actual e-mail address and address for Empire is [email protected]. The physical address is 12326 Bloomfield Avenue, Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670

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