Hudson Martin
Miami,#2REBUTTAL Individual responds
Sun, November 09, 2003
I am glad to see that Mr Fred Buckner has confessed to at least part of his lies he reported on me .By not slandering W.W.MO and those who have helped him also. Sincere Thanks Fred . Now confess to the rest of your lies and maybe The trueth will set you free. I have already forgiven you . You know i am not guilty of any of the lies you told .You cause me much harm with your lies and slanderous actions in Belize.I never had you detaind or have i ever slander you. The worst i have ever said i said in my frist reply to your lies. There were a few who have tryed to used these lies to try to harm me and destroy the good we did in Belize they are the ones to be pityed. But they are the same ones who will belive and spread known lies and slander to try to cover ther evil deeds and wicked ways. You know i can respond to each of the lies you told that you know they are not the truth. If you want to make it right then email me and have this false report removed. You have my address it has never changed. Thanks again for correcting the slander toward my faimly, W.W.M.O and the belivers of the teaching of a great man God called William Branham Sincerly
Michael
Walhalla,#3Consumer Comment
Sun, November 09, 2003
I work for a major automotive manufacturer, One that supplies parts to both Ford and Chrysler. Both of these firms are big on SPC statistical process control. Which basically means you takes specific measurements as it pertains to finish blue prints. In the time of quality standards such as QS9000- ISO 14001 and so many others. I think that If Fred isn't telling the truth he as quite a future as a fiction writer and should pursue this as his next profession. I am not passing a judgement I just thought some automotive background might be helpful. Although my expertise is in Steel not Plastic I know that Ford and Chrysler among others are very particular about parts they purchase from outside contracts. Thank you for your time.
Fred Buckner
El Cajon,#4Author of original report
Sat, November 08, 2003
I want share with all that have read the post on ripoffreport.com, that WMO (Worldwide Missionary Outreach) and Daniel Martin, the director of WMO had no knowledge of what happened to me in Belize until after I had returned to the United States. I have always found Daniel to be a very honorable man of God. As a minister, Daniel Martin has my highest respect and I know that if he or anyone truly involved with WMO had known of my dilemma that they would of rescued me immediately. Furthermore, I would also like to say that once Daniel Martin learned of what I had gone through, he made a great effort to make me whole again. For that I am truly appreciative to him and WMO. As to the rebuttal from Hudson of Belize; I have never suffered from bipolar disease or taken any medication for any such disease. I do suffer from Graves disease just like former president Bush and his wife. Due to the starvation the disease progressed very quickly but it never affected my mind or my actions in Belize. As far as friends are concerned I am blessed with more than I can count. It was my friends that nursed me back to life and it was my friends that helped me to escape. But, my strength to survive came from the greatest man that I have ever known. It was his words that kept me going and made me strong. Those words were To truly serve God you must get yourself out of the way. Those were the words of John Martin, the founder of WMO. As to the rebuttal of Marty of Hardy Arkansas; I agree that it is wrong to judge others, but it is also wrong to lie, to cheat, or to use the word of God for self-gain and yes, I have met a great many true Christens that follow the teachings of William Branham. As to the evident of the events, to this day it is hard for me to look at them. To see a picture of ones self, starved and nothing but a bag a bone is very un-nerving. Besides, as a Christen I must forgive, but in this case to forget would be foolish. To know the truth is one thing, but to live the truth is another. Thank you,
Marty
Hardy,#5Consumer Comment
Sun, June 15, 2003
I wish to say that I know both Fred Buckner And Hudson Martin. Hudson Martin is a business man and a christian and Fred Buckner is a mman who says he is a christian but doesn't attend church he has his own beliefs. Fred and Hudson are both grown men and entered into an agreement that didn't work out. Fred is a man who has health problems and means well. He also does not listen to anyone including his parents or his sister. I was there when they both made the agreements and know body was forced into anything they went in with there eyes wide open. the stuff Fred says is mostly hipe. I also take exception to the remarks of Branhamites as I know many people who follow William Branhams teachings and are christians. To slander all Branhamites because you think one beat you is wrong just as it is wrong to judge other religions because you have a disagreement with them. I cannot believe that you printed this stuff as there are hate laws to deal with people who slander people with out evidence. Also if Fred had proof of his wrongs he could get him a lawyer and go to court. Fred grow up.
Robin
Waldron,#6Consumer Comment
Tue, May 27, 2003
I am not even going to try to make a comment on this report directly. Some talented folks have done a good job of that already. I do not know anything about plastics, ozone machines, or Branhamnites, so the ED will probably not even post this, but... I, too, am from a small town in Arkansas where there are more churches than there are birds in the trees. There are umpteen different denominations and, for the most part, everyone gets along. Most folks are decent, hardworking individuals who we do business with and have no beefs about. I am considered to be a "heathen" in these parts because I do not choose to frequent any of these establishments. I am a firm believer in God, but I do not believe in organized religion for reasons too lengthy to go into here. That makes me "subhuman" and untrustworthy in lots of folks minds. The ultimate goal is to draw me into one of these churches and keep me there; there have been countless hours spent praying over my misguided spirit. Fine, I'll take all the help I can get. Some of the biggest problems I have encountered in business dealings in these parts are with those people who introduce themselves and immediately launch into a sermon about what good Christians they are. "The Mrs. and I prayed over this_________(fill in the blank with whatever)and decided that this is the Christian way to take care of this situation." or "I think the Lord would want me to do such-and-such." Warning bells sound in my head and my butt cheeks draw up; I have rarely failed to get a royal reaming by folks who have approached me in this way. Before I take a royal hammering here, let me be clear: I am not saying that all Christians are shady, not at all. It's the folks who start with the Lord stuff before I even know their names or what they want. Uh-oh. The moral of the story is: Beware folks who seem determined to shove their goodness down your throat and let you know immediately how Christian they are. It may just be an attempt to prey on your beliefs and blind you by the Light.
Hudson
Belmopan,#7REBUTTAL Individual responds
Tue, May 27, 2003
To Whom It may concern Any one who would belive this type of garbage on some one without checking out the source of the information has a problem them self. I can be check out by any offical law org. in the U.S and so can all the other people Fred Buckner has named we are not some crazy acult but law abiding citizens we have hundrens of people who know and trust us and would gladly stand for our reputation.He has no one who would back his lies not even his own family and as for friends he dosent have any that i know of. Why would someone belive Mr. Buckner or anyone else for that matter .before checking out him personaly?? When i frist read this i could not belive a company such as ripoff would print such lies. I am not going to waste your time with a bunch of counter accusitions but i will tell you this He is a very very sick man who has a serious mental disorder called bypolar and as long as he takes his medications he is a normal talanted man when he does not he turns on anyone who has help him including his own family and makes up lies to cover his evil deeds.This person has been guilty of too many crimes for me to take the time to list here. So pleae if you are going to be dammed by a lies at least take the time to check out the source.
#80
Wed, September 26, 2001
They filed the following rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report: Their email: [email protected] Their name: The Fraud Chick Their phone number: @Rebuttal_Phone@ Their relationship to the company: Consumer Suggestion Rebuttal: Bravo, Danny! You make excellent points. I agree with your arguments to my points about the AG's Office, an attorney and so on. But my plan is to educate people and get them in a habit of procedure. Certain individuals who have been duped through affinity will not report fraudsters to the AG's office but others might. There's always that chance. You must not discount any avenue without absolute certainty of failure. Also, your comment about the attorney was awful. How can you say that about a lawyer? I think lawyers are fine, upstanding, honest, hardworking...OK, I can't go on with a straight face. There are some really loathesome attorneys slithering around out there. I like the point you made about the possibility of an attorney padding a job. That's always a possibility. But once again, don't discount paying an attorney a straight fee to review an investment. I called up several law firms to check costs. Six out of ten attorneys said they would charge no fee and consider it a consultation on the hope it would encourage the consumer to become a future client. The remaining four quoted between $50 and $75 for a written report. Not too bad. I will still recommend consumers run a large investment by an attorney before moving forward. It's cheaper than losing the farm. Good Luck! The Fraud Chick
#90
Sun, September 23, 2001
My comments are first directed to the victim and then to the advice offered by Fraud Chick. First, I suspect that this is nothing but an elaborate con. Seduction is an interesting phenomenon. In order for one to be seduced (or victimized) the individual is usually in an extremely heightened state of susceptibility. Therefore, victimology usually focuses on the defects of the victim, rather than on the heinousness of the crime.
I think one other comment barely touched on this when the question was asked, "Why twice?" What I want to follow up on is, "Why do people like this (both the victim and the perpetrator) think that they can mix religion and business. I mean, for me, these two concept are so antithetical. However, I think that people have become desensitized to the comingling because most major religions have instituted the business of religion. If clery approached me with a business deal I would run away.
Next, pursuant to Fraud Chick's advice: I would like to point out that she makes some excellent points of analysis as to how Affinity Fraud comes about, but then her advice doesn't follow. For instance, she points out that these people rarely report these crimes and usually try to work them out themselves. Then why check with the SEC and AG database, because they aren't reported. These organizations are as worthless as the Better Business Bureau. They also only keep data on cases they pursue. The SEC only goes after multi-million dollar cases unless there is political motivation. The same with the state AG, and there political connection means everything. For instance, (just for the illustration of this point, and not of Affinity Fraud), if a particular business brings enough revenue into a state, the AG is less likely to pursue an investigation of wrongdoing on that company, i.e. Northwest Airlines and Minnesota, Nationwide Insurance Company and Ohio.
The Bottom Line: One must develop a sense about business. Fraud Chick is right about getting things in writing, but also know more about them than they know about you. Trust no one. Especially not an attorney. Their job is to create more work for themselves. If they can draft a document that is incomplete and has holes, they create the need for further litigation, which means they stay employed. If you get taken, get them back. Most people understand that if they allow themselves to be taken advantage of, even just once, the word will be out, and the bullies will be out daily selling vacuum cleaners, water softeners, and AMWAY. Many people criticize this position as cynical, but I call it realistic. What is the difference between a cynic and a realist? The cynic is negative and wallows in it, the realist gets up and trys to change that situation. Good luck, Fred! Do you have a plan?
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#100
Sat, September 22, 2001
This email is a rebuttal to RipOff #6716.
It was sent by The Fraud Chick at [email protected].
Hudson Martin, will scam you in the name of Christ. (#6716)
They filed the following rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report:
Their email: [email protected]
Their name: The Fraud Chick
Their relationship to the company: Consumer Suggestion
Rebuttal:
Fred,
Your troubles are many and your losses are enormous for an individual. I'm going to address your problem at the proximate point of the lure--Affinity Fraud. You were hooked into this person's schemes because you thought he was ethical because he claimed to be a Christian.
Scammed in the name of the Lord is a common problem.
All of us, in some way or another, are connected to a group or
association. Our interests, backgrounds and other factors will naturally lead us to those organizations or affiliations that serve our needs. Race, culture, a common language and religious beliefs also play a role in identifying us as members of unique groups that we often come to trust --sometimes to our detriment.
Fraudsters that prey within these groups count on our loyalty and bonds within the groups. Churches have especially strong bonds because there is another variable thrown into the mix--God. Who would ever deprive through deception using the name of God? A slick con--that's who.
These fraudsters know that once the victims of a group realize they've been ripped off they rarely go to the authorities. They would rather try to resolve the issue as a group.
How to avoid affinity fraud?
Testimonials and the use of names from other group members are not good enough. These Fraudsters often pay out big money to early investors using money from later investors. So the initial investors may be wild about a scheme that may collapse entirely once you've invested.
Get it in writing. Require a prospectus or other form of written
information that details the risks in the investment and procedures to get your money out.
Have an outside source like an attorney or financial advisor review the investment
Check with the SEC or your state's AG office to see if they are registered to do business in the state. Is the investment allowed to be sold? If the salesperson or the firm is not registered, that is a sure warning to inquire further. Check out that person and the investment yourself. You should never rely on the word of a salesperson.
#110
Sat, September 22, 2001
This email is a rebuttal to RipOff #6716.
It was sent by Shari Funkhouser at [email protected].
Hudson Martin, will scam you in the name of Christ. (#6716)
They filed the following rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report:
Their email: [email protected]
Their name: Shari Funkhouser
Their phone number: 253-573-2807
Their relationship to the company: Consumer Suggestion
Rebuttal:
My goodness! It seem as if you have been taken. I have one question, Mr. Buckner, why did you keep believing Mr. Martin's lies after the second go-around with him? I can see giving someone a second chance, but a third and fourth? By the way, the Branhamnites are a wicked group and they are NOT Christians. Be ware!