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  • Report:  #6716

Complaint Review: Hudson Martin - Melba Idaho

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- El Cajon, CA,
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Hudson Martin
6839 hove rd Melba, 83641 Idaho, U.S.A.
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Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Fred Buckner and I am the president of Spectra of Arkansas Inc. My business is customized programming, computer sales, internet websites, and many other computer related fields.

Around the first of the year, in 1999 I first met a man by the name of Hudson Martin in my home town of Ash Flat, Arkansas. He said he was the CEO of a company called Universal Spectrum Inc., and that they did research and development in the spray plastics industry. The fact that I had earlier won an award from Ford, for the Statistical Process Control of the manufacturing of raw plastics, it seems that the two of us had all the ingredients to make a first class spray plastics company. Mr. Martin said he was a member of a Christen organization called The Message aka (Branhamnites). In my mind I figured that a Christen would be trust worthy and that everything would be okay.

In the spring of 1999 I made a trip to Provo Utah on the word of Hudson Martin, that big rewards await us in a product that removes curse words from TV movies. We took the product to a company called Big Planet, a division of New Skin in Provost Utah, but the effort failed. Hudson travel on with me to New Orleans to talk to Jonas Robertson, the head of the abundance life church. Failure again. We then parted ways and I went home and got back to the business of making a living. In September of that year (1999), Hudson contacted me with a plan to make lots of money. I decided to give his plan a chance. So it was off to Idaho to Hudson Martin's home at:

6839 Hove rd.

Melba, ID 83641

November 1st. 1999 - When I got there, it wasn't what I expected. Hudson lived in a old run downed trailer in what I guess one would call a compound. In it lived his three sons with their wives and kids. Each one had their own small trailer and the conditions were like camping out. No running water or any of the things I always took for granted. Hudson had misrepresented himself to me as a well to do investor. His family were very nice to me and in my mind I though maybe I could change their life style. So I lived in a small Winnebago and endured sub standards of living.

I created a website for him using the documents and pictures he gave me. He assured me that they were his property and that no copyrights would be violated. During my stay there, Hudson voiced his fears of the up coming Y2K event. He had fears that F.E.M.A. would take over the U.S. and he had a plan to ensure our right to free travel. He said he was a Citified Hazardous Material Supervisor and that he wanted me to be one too. Through a contact, Hudson obtained certifications for himself, his sons and I, stating that we were supervisors or the like with an EPA approved company. The mans name was John Hoadley. His phone number and address is:

208-398-7791

P.O. Box 952

Emmett, Idaho 83617

I destroyed the documents given to me by Hudson that concerned me as I knew them to be non-valid. I never asked Mr. Martin for the document but he still obtained the License on my behalf. My Martin and his three son's still have documents that states that they are certified to handle Hazardous Materials. My concerns about this is that I wrote a program for the D.O.T. and Chrysler Corp. called Hazardous Materials Awareness Training. In doing such I know that these untrained men are dangerous if put in a Hazmat situation.

After two months of being there in Idaho I realized that his plan was going nowhere. I decided to go back home to Arkansas and hopefully rebuild my business. Beside, I was very uneasy being there because of all the weapons and ammunition that was in the compound. He then told me of a machine that produces 18,000 times more ozone then the worlds largest ozone machine. He said that this was only the small one and that they had a machine that could produce a million times more than the worlds largest. He offered half of all the emergency application in the United States, and all the applications outside of the U.S. I decided to wait, see what he was up to and give it a chance. I met with Hudson Martin, his brother; Daniel Martin the (director of World Wide Outreach) and their associate Ivan Garcia. In the meeting they showed me documents about the ozone machine. In the following three months I made many fliers and a website about Ozone for them. Finally I saw that the ozone machine was possibly another failure and I could no longer wait to see what would happen and I returned home March 2, 2000.

When I returned to Arkansas, I found that my cost of keeping things running in my absence was about $30,000.00 dollars. So I worked hard to repair the damage but had little success.

October 31, 2000

Hudson Martin later contacted me with a story that he had a contract in Belize and that we would be there lest then two weeks and we would have operating funds. He said that there would be at least five guys going with us and that it was a sure thing. After looking at my position in Arkansas I gave it one more chance. He said to meet him and the others in Phoenix AZ.

When I arrived in Phoenix, I found out that it would only be Ivan Garcia, Hudson Martin, and myself. I also found out that they had no money for the trip. Due to trusting Hudson, I was in a situation were my business in Arkansas could not be repaired and I had no choice but to sale my truck and borrow money from my family so we could make the trip. It was my money that purchased everything from medical supplies, building materials, batteries for the trucks, fuel for the trip, and the list goes on and on.

Our mission was to help the Belizeans with the damage from Hurricane Mitch, then we would start the project for the client. But first we had to get through Mexico. As we prepared the equipment and vehicles, Hudson approached me to do some things for him.

He said we needed false identifications that looked military. He asked me to make false military documents from both the U.S. and Mexican government. When I was in Idaho he had asked me to make false Pass Ports and drivers licenses and as I told him then, I told him I would not do any such thing. That's when he changed towards me.

At the Mexican boarder I prayed that Hudson hadn't brought anything illegal with him as I had insisted in Phoenix. The trip went smoothly, Hudson acted as if he was some kind of General while Ivan spoke to the guards at each of the check points. For the whole trip, I rode in the bunkhouse we had made for the flat bed trailer we were towing behind us. Hudson was always mad at me because I wouldn't dress like a soldier as they where. Hudson's plan almost came to an end at one of the last check points. A Mexican army guard bust into the bunk house, cocked his machinegun and pointed it at me. Outside his commander saw what was happening and barked orders to the guard to get out, but the guard didn't listen to his commander. I could see his finger on the trigger and in my heart I knew that he was going to shoot me. Finally his commander boarded the trailer and pulled him out. Down the road on the two way radio system, I heard Hudson laugh about how we got away from that one. The only words that can describe my feeling was What the hell am I doing here

Soon after arriving in Belize, I found out that Hudson had lied to me about having a contract there and as far as Hurricane Mitch was concerned, no help was needed. This did not set well with me and Hudson began to lie to everyone we met. He told people we had lots of money and lots of supporters. He made promises that he never intended to keep. He was acting like he was some sort of general and went so far as to represent himself as one to many people. His lies became a daily thing and he was misrepresenting my company as a division of his company. My anger with him reached a apex just before he made his first trip back to the U.S. We had words and I told him I would have nothing to do with his plans or the lies he had told people. We then came up with a compromise where anything they wanted from me would be done contractually. Behind my back he continued to represent himself as my boss and set prices for computer systems that were totally impossible to met. He took off to the U.S. and purchased a computer from my supplier under my company name. On his return, the system he got wasn't what I had told him to get and it was due to the fact that he had spent monies for the equipment on something else. We had words again and as usual his words were full of lies. I made do with what he had gotten and I made plans to get their job done and remove myself from any of their actions. During all the time that we had been in Belize, Hudson show total disrespect towards me and many people approached me about it. They saw that I was fulfilling all the promises that Hudson was making while he just drove around looking for more people to suck into his service. During this time I had little food and even lest money. While at the same time he was eating the best meals from those he had defrauded. I became aware of most all of this after he made his last trip to the U.S.

While he was in the U.S., people began to complain about the promises he had made and the bad checks he had cashed. I informed Hudson of these thing but he only said that I should lay low because someone was going to try and kill me. He shared nothing about it with me and I now know it was all a lie to shut me up and keep my eyes closed. After seeing that he had no intensions of honoring our agreement, I did some research myself and found that all the things people were saying were true. I had to make a trip to Hopkins, Belize to undo what I could and tell little kids that he had lied to them and that they would most likely never get the new bikes he had promised them for doing jobs for him.

One very old lady in Hopkins asked me why Hudson had cheated her. He got a apartment from her and made lots of promises to her that he couldn't keep. For three months he tied up the apartment and she got nothing from him. Oh, he will say that he painted the fence around the building and fixed it up a little. But the facts are, that it was myself and another guy that did all the work and all the material were provided by the old woman. In another case Hudson and I lived for a few weeks in a house with the promise to do finishing work on the inside of it. The work was done, but it was I that did the work while Hudson was in Dangriga doing who knows what. I later found out he was being the guest of the Ritchie Brothers, eating their food and living a pretty good life at their cost. I have also learned that should he cheat them, that they will in the end do him great harm. Saying I'm sorry or I did my best will not work with these people and Hudson will soon find that out. These are the nice guys compared to the Zebaneys, whom he is also dealing with. They are known drug lords and to cross Them would be suicidal.

After learning about Hudson's activities I tried to communicate with him over the internet and his replies where horrific. All I did was to listen to everyone's complaints and for doing that he was going to take care of me on his return. I then examined the contents of the backpacks and suitcases he brought on the trip to Belize. To my disbelief, I found things that were very incriminating. Had we of been searched by the Mexicans, Hudson, Ivan, and myself would be in a Mexican prison for life or waiting execution as spies.

Then I remembered the things I had been told by Hudson and Ivan during the trip about the ozone machine. It seem that a Doctor Dorothy retired from service at area 51. The doctors son was a leader of one of the Branhamnites churches in Washington State. After his fathers retirement he asked the leaders of the church in Idaho to help his father by sponsoring his continuation of the projects he had going at area 51. For the first time I though that just maybe the ozone machine was a reality. If so then someone might be guilty of espionage of U.S. secrets. If this machine is real, then the impact of it would have world wide repercussions. On Hudson's final contact he stated that he had the ozone machine and was bringing it with him. Everything started to make sense now and I did what I had to do.

I made a full report to the FBI and to the American embassy and waited for Hudson return.

I also looked into the rightful owner of the asset I used to build a website for Universal Spectrum Incorporated. After discovering the rightful owners; S.P.I., I removed the website and inform them of what had happened. The stated they knew of Mr. Martin and thanked me for my actions.

When Mr. Martin returned to Belize, he broke into the house I was staying in and I had him arrested but did not press any charges against him. I then packed my belongings and went to a friends home where I prepared to return to the US. On the night before I was to start my trip home I was asked to go to the police department to answer some questions. When I got there, I was detained by them and put in a cell with a child molester and a prison escapee. The charge against me were that I had stolen computer components that belonged to Hudson. The fact is that all the equipment belonged to my company and all the serial numbers on them were registered to my company. The value of the items he took illegally are over $8,000.00 and that don't include my other loses. A friend came to my rescue and it was discovered that Hudson's plan was to have me transported from to the jail where he was and then put in prison. It would of be proved that the stuff was legally mine and Hudson would of said; sorry I though it was my own property. But by

that time I would of been killed by someone on the inside of the prison. His plan was spoiled and I did manage to get away and return to the United States.

Using the word of God he gained my trust and alliance, thus I did my best to bring about the things he said he needed to succeed in the plastics areas. There are some that refer to Hudson Martin as Jim Jones and the word is spreading like wild fires throughout Belize. I made him websites, presentations, fliers, documents, forms, as well I purchased equipment through my company to be used on his projects.

Already I have endured too much. I almost died of starvation at the hands of Hudson (losing 47 pounds in 45 days *Mr. Martin saw to it that I had no funds, thus no food), falsely accursed of thefts, berated, suffered attempts on my freedom and my life and have lost all my possessions.

The following is all the information I can come up with now of those involved with the above matter:

Hudson Martin

Address:

6839 hove rd

Melba, ID 83641

Universal Spectrum Incorporated - CEO Hudson Martin

Helping Hands Enterprises Ltd. - CEO Hudson Martin

Mustang Trading- CEO Hudson Martin

Phoenix Import Export - CEO Hudson Martin

I accuse Mr. Martin with the following:

1. Attempting to get me to create false U.S. Pass Ports, U.S. Military Documents and Ids

2. Defrauding my company Spectra Of Arkansas exceeding $90,000.00 dollars.

4. Illegally having me detained by false accusations of thief

5. Misrepresenting himself as the rightful owner of Documentations and graphics used in creating a website for him.

6. Slander

7. Illegally representing himself as an officer of my company and continuing to do so after being told to stop.

8. Attempting to deceive the foreign Minister of works, of the country of Belize (Henry Canton)

9. Thief of Computer components and personal belongings

10. Knowingly transporting illegal contraband through Mexico and into Belize.

11. Attempted murder twice.

Ivan Garcia:

Photo attached

Mr. Garcia is an associate of Mr. Martin, a member of the Branhamnites and it was he that showed me the data on the ozone machine.

Rev. Daniel Martin, Chief Executive Officer

Worldwide Missionary Outreach, Inc.

P.O. Box 8, Murphy, ID 83650

40604 S. Finley Rd., Kennewick, WA 99337

P.O. Box 154, Genoa, IL 60135

For more information and photos see: http://www.wmo.org

[email protected]

[email protected]

Mr. Daniel Martin, brother to Hudson Martin is apparently the one who controls the marketing of their Ozone machine.

The following are people that help me while in Belize. They can Verify many of the things that happened there.

U.S.ARMY Major (ret.) Debbie Dean

website: http://www.tippletree.net

P. O. Box 206

Dangriga, Stann Creek District

Belize, Central America

email: [email protected]

Pastor Richard Wolley - King Jesus Ministries

Website: www.kingjesusministries.com

KING JESUS MINISTRIES

P.O. BOX 26

SAN IGNACIO, CAYO DISTRICT

BELIZE, CENTRAL AMERICA

Phone: 501-92-2791

FAX: 501-92-4128

email: [email protected]

NOTE:

My concern is that Mr. Hudson Martin and others will try and get investors to invest in what I guess is a phony Ozone machine. He has spoken of searching for investors many times in the past. I suspect the Mr. Martin might be back in Idaho at this time. Some of my contacts in Belize Central America have not seen Mr. Hudson Martin . My contacts in Arkansas are also unsure if he is in Arkansas. I would guess he is back in Idaho.

Be warned that Mr. Hudson Martin never travels without weapons in his vehicles. Also note that the vehicle he has I suspect is stolen. A white and blue Dodge 4x4 truck with dual wheels.

Also I have many documents and about 1,000 photos on CD that pertain to Mr. Hudson Martins activities in this matter. If you wish to reach me, you must email me your name and phone number so that I may reach you. My location is hidden due to fear or retaliation from Mr. Martin and the Branhamnites.

Fred Buckner



10 Updates & Rebuttals

Hudson Martin

Miami,
Florida,
U.S.A.
Person who was falsely reported

#2REBUTTAL Individual responds

Sun, November 09, 2003

I am glad to see that Mr Fred Buckner has confessed to at least part of his lies he reported on me .By not slandering W.W.MO and those who have helped him also. Sincere Thanks Fred . Now confess to the rest of your lies and maybe The trueth will set you free. I have already forgiven you . You know i am not guilty of any of the lies you told .You cause me much harm with your lies and slanderous actions in Belize.I never had you detaind or have i ever slander you. The worst i have ever said i said in my frist reply to your lies. There were a few who have tryed to used these lies to try to harm me and destroy the good we did in Belize they are the ones to be pityed. But they are the same ones who will belive and spread known lies and slander to try to cover ther evil deeds and wicked ways. You know i can respond to each of the lies you told that you know they are not the truth. If you want to make it right then email me and have this false report removed. You have my address it has never changed. Thanks again for correcting the slander toward my faimly, W.W.M.O and the belivers of the teaching of a great man God called William Branham Sincerly


Michael

Walhalla,
South Carolina,
U.S.A.
SPC Charts, Ford and Chrysler among others are very particular about parts they purchase

#3Consumer Comment

Sun, November 09, 2003

I work for a major automotive manufacturer, One that supplies parts to both Ford and Chrysler. Both of these firms are big on SPC statistical process control. Which basically means you takes specific measurements as it pertains to finish blue prints. In the time of quality standards such as QS9000- ISO 14001 and so many others. I think that If Fred isn't telling the truth he as quite a future as a fiction writer and should pursue this as his next profession. I am not passing a judgement I just thought some automotive background might be helpful. Although my expertise is in Steel not Plastic I know that Ford and Chrysler among others are very particular about parts they purchase from outside contracts. Thank you for your time.


Fred Buckner

El Cajon,
California,
U.S.A.
To know the truth is one thing, but to live the truth is another

#4Author of original report

Sat, November 08, 2003

I want share with all that have read the post on ripoffreport.com, that WMO (Worldwide Missionary Outreach) and Daniel Martin, the director of WMO had no knowledge of what happened to me in Belize until after I had returned to the United States. I have always found Daniel to be a very honorable man of God. As a minister, Daniel Martin has my highest respect and I know that if he or anyone truly involved with WMO had known of my dilemma that they would of rescued me immediately. Furthermore, I would also like to say that once Daniel Martin learned of what I had gone through, he made a great effort to make me whole again. For that I am truly appreciative to him and WMO. As to the rebuttal from Hudson of Belize; I have never suffered from bipolar disease or taken any medication for any such disease. I do suffer from Graves disease just like former president Bush and his wife. Due to the starvation the disease progressed very quickly but it never affected my mind or my actions in Belize. As far as friends are concerned I am blessed with more than I can count. It was my friends that nursed me back to life and it was my friends that helped me to escape. But, my strength to survive came from the greatest man that I have ever known. It was his words that kept me going and made me strong. Those words were To truly serve God you must get yourself out of the way. Those were the words of John Martin, the founder of WMO. As to the rebuttal of Marty of Hardy Arkansas; I agree that it is wrong to judge others, but it is also wrong to lie, to cheat, or to use the word of God for self-gain and yes, I have met a great many true Christens that follow the teachings of William Branham. As to the evident of the events, to this day it is hard for me to look at them. To see a picture of ones self, starved and nothing but a bag a bone is very un-nerving. Besides, as a Christen I must forgive, but in this case to forget would be foolish. To know the truth is one thing, but to live the truth is another. Thank you,


Marty

Hardy,
Arkansas,
U.S.A.
Hipe ..Hudson Martin is a business man and a christian and Fred Buckner is a mman who says he is a christian but doesn't attend church he has his own beliefs.

#5Consumer Comment

Sun, June 15, 2003

I wish to say that I know both Fred Buckner And Hudson Martin. Hudson Martin is a business man and a christian and Fred Buckner is a mman who says he is a christian but doesn't attend church he has his own beliefs. Fred and Hudson are both grown men and entered into an agreement that didn't work out. Fred is a man who has health problems and means well. He also does not listen to anyone including his parents or his sister. I was there when they both made the agreements and know body was forced into anything they went in with there eyes wide open. the stuff Fred says is mostly hipe. I also take exception to the remarks of Branhamites as I know many people who follow William Branhams teachings and are christians. To slander all Branhamites because you think one beat you is wrong just as it is wrong to judge other religions because you have a disagreement with them. I cannot believe that you printed this stuff as there are hate laws to deal with people who slander people with out evidence. Also if Fred had proof of his wrongs he could get him a lawyer and go to court. Fred grow up.


Robin

Waldron,
Arkansas,
U.S.A.
Oh, God, this is too good to pass up...The "keywords" that make my butt cheeks draw up

#6Consumer Comment

Tue, May 27, 2003

I am not even going to try to make a comment on this report directly. Some talented folks have done a good job of that already. I do not know anything about plastics, ozone machines, or Branhamnites, so the ED will probably not even post this, but... I, too, am from a small town in Arkansas where there are more churches than there are birds in the trees. There are umpteen different denominations and, for the most part, everyone gets along. Most folks are decent, hardworking individuals who we do business with and have no beefs about. I am considered to be a "heathen" in these parts because I do not choose to frequent any of these establishments. I am a firm believer in God, but I do not believe in organized religion for reasons too lengthy to go into here. That makes me "subhuman" and untrustworthy in lots of folks minds. The ultimate goal is to draw me into one of these churches and keep me there; there have been countless hours spent praying over my misguided spirit. Fine, I'll take all the help I can get. Some of the biggest problems I have encountered in business dealings in these parts are with those people who introduce themselves and immediately launch into a sermon about what good Christians they are. "The Mrs. and I prayed over this_________(fill in the blank with whatever)and decided that this is the Christian way to take care of this situation." or "I think the Lord would want me to do such-and-such." Warning bells sound in my head and my butt cheeks draw up; I have rarely failed to get a royal reaming by folks who have approached me in this way. Before I take a royal hammering here, let me be clear: I am not saying that all Christians are shady, not at all. It's the folks who start with the Lord stuff before I even know their names or what they want. Uh-oh. The moral of the story is: Beware folks who seem determined to shove their goodness down your throat and let you know immediately how Christian they are. It may just be an attempt to prey on your beliefs and blind you by the Light.


Hudson

Belmopan,
Central America,
Belize
Lies and false reports

#7REBUTTAL Individual responds

Tue, May 27, 2003

To Whom It may concern Any one who would belive this type of garbage on some one without checking out the source of the information has a problem them self. I can be check out by any offical law org. in the U.S and so can all the other people Fred Buckner has named we are not some crazy acult but law abiding citizens we have hundrens of people who know and trust us and would gladly stand for our reputation.He has no one who would back his lies not even his own family and as for friends he dosent have any that i know of. Why would someone belive Mr. Buckner or anyone else for that matter .before checking out him personaly?? When i frist read this i could not belive a company such as ripoff would print such lies. I am not going to waste your time with a bunch of counter accusitions but i will tell you this He is a very very sick man who has a serious mental disorder called bypolar and as long as he takes his medications he is a normal talanted man when he does not he turns on anyone who has help him including his own family and makes up lies to cover his evil deeds.This person has been guilty of too many crimes for me to take the time to list here. So pleae if you are going to be dammed by a lies at least take the time to check out the source.


I will still recommend consumers run a large investment by an attorney before moving forward.

#80

Wed, September 26, 2001

They filed the following rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report: Their email: [email protected] Their name: The Fraud Chick Their phone number: @Rebuttal_Phone@ Their relationship to the company: Consumer Suggestion Rebuttal: Bravo, Danny! You make excellent points. I agree with your arguments to my points about the AG's Office, an attorney and so on. But my plan is to educate people and get them in a habit of procedure. Certain individuals who have been duped through affinity will not report fraudsters to the AG's office but others might. There's always that chance. You must not discount any avenue without absolute certainty of failure. Also, your comment about the attorney was awful. How can you say that about a lawyer? I think lawyers are fine, upstanding, honest, hardworking...OK, I can't go on with a straight face. There are some really loathesome attorneys slithering around out there. I like the point you made about the possibility of an attorney padding a job. That's always a possibility. But once again, don't discount paying an attorney a straight fee to review an investment. I called up several law firms to check costs. Six out of ten attorneys said they would charge no fee and consider it a consultation on the hope it would encourage the consumer to become a future client. The remaining four quoted between $50 and $75 for a written report. Not too bad. I will still recommend consumers run a large investment by an attorney before moving forward. It's cheaper than losing the farm. Good Luck! The Fraud Chick


Danny Scalf , Investigative Reporter for Rip-off Report responds ..why check with the SEC and AG database, ..These organizations are as worthless as the Better Business Bureau.

#90

Sun, September 23, 2001

My comments are first directed to the victim and then to the advice offered by Fraud Chick. First, I suspect that this is nothing but an elaborate con. Seduction is an interesting phenomenon. In order for one to be seduced (or victimized) the individual is usually in an extremely heightened state of susceptibility. Therefore, victimology usually focuses on the defects of the victim, rather than on the heinousness of the crime.

I think one other comment barely touched on this when the question was asked, "Why twice?" What I want to follow up on is, "Why do people like this (both the victim and the perpetrator) think that they can mix religion and business. I mean, for me, these two concept are so antithetical. However, I think that people have become desensitized to the comingling because most major religions have instituted the business of religion. If clery approached me with a business deal I would run away.

Next, pursuant to Fraud Chick's advice: I would like to point out that she makes some excellent points of analysis as to how Affinity Fraud comes about, but then her advice doesn't follow. For instance, she points out that these people rarely report these crimes and usually try to work them out themselves. Then why check with the SEC and AG database, because they aren't reported. These organizations are as worthless as the Better Business Bureau. They also only keep data on cases they pursue. The SEC only goes after multi-million dollar cases unless there is political motivation. The same with the state AG, and there political connection means everything. For instance, (just for the illustration of this point, and not of Affinity Fraud), if a particular business brings enough revenue into a state, the AG is less likely to pursue an investigation of wrongdoing on that company, i.e. Northwest Airlines and Minnesota, Nationwide Insurance Company and Ohio.

The Bottom Line: One must develop a sense about business. Fraud Chick is right about getting things in writing, but also know more about them than they know about you. Trust no one. Especially not an attorney. Their job is to create more work for themselves. If they can draft a document that is incomplete and has holes, they create the need for further litigation, which means they stay employed. If you get taken, get them back. Most people understand that if they allow themselves to be taken advantage of, even just once, the word will be out, and the bullies will be out daily selling vacuum cleaners, water softeners, and AMWAY. Many people criticize this position as cynical, but I call it realistic. What is the difference between a cynic and a realist? The cynic is negative and wallows in it, the realist gets up and trys to change that situation. Good luck, Fred! Do you have a plan?

Danny Scalf
Investigative Reporter
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Scammed in the name of the Lord is a common problem. ..How to avoid affinity fraud?

#100

Sat, September 22, 2001

This email is a rebuttal to RipOff #6716.
It was sent by The Fraud Chick at [email protected].

Hudson Martin, will scam you in the name of Christ. (#6716)

They filed the following rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report:

Their email: [email protected]
Their name: The Fraud Chick

Their relationship to the company: Consumer Suggestion

Rebuttal:
Fred,

Your troubles are many and your losses are enormous for an individual. I'm going to address your problem at the proximate point of the lure--Affinity Fraud. You were hooked into this person's schemes because you thought he was ethical because he claimed to be a Christian.

Scammed in the name of the Lord is a common problem.
All of us, in some way or another, are connected to a group or
association. Our interests, backgrounds and other factors will naturally lead us to those organizations or affiliations that serve our needs. Race, culture, a common language and religious beliefs also play a role in identifying us as members of unique groups that we often come to trust --sometimes to our detriment.

Fraudsters that prey within these groups count on our loyalty and bonds within the groups. Churches have especially strong bonds because there is another variable thrown into the mix--God. Who would ever deprive through deception using the name of God? A slick con--that's who.

These fraudsters know that once the victims of a group realize they've been ripped off they rarely go to the authorities. They would rather try to resolve the issue as a group.

How to avoid affinity fraud?

Testimonials and the use of names from other group members are not good enough. These Fraudsters often pay out big money to early investors using money from later investors. So the initial investors may be wild about a scheme that may collapse entirely once you've invested.

Get it in writing. Require a prospectus or other form of written
information that details the risks in the investment and procedures to get your money out.

Have an outside source like an attorney or financial advisor review the investment

Check with the SEC or your state's AG office to see if they are registered to do business in the state. Is the investment allowed to be sold? If the salesperson or the firm is not registered, that is a sure warning to inquire further. Check out that person and the investment yourself. You should never rely on the word of a salesperson.


I have one question, Mr. Buckner..

#110

Sat, September 22, 2001

This email is a rebuttal to RipOff #6716.
It was sent by Shari Funkhouser at [email protected].

Hudson Martin, will scam you in the name of Christ. (#6716)
They filed the following rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report:

Their email: [email protected]
Their name: Shari Funkhouser
Their phone number: 253-573-2807
Their relationship to the company: Consumer Suggestion

Rebuttal:
My goodness! It seem as if you have been taken. I have one question, Mr. Buckner, why did you keep believing Mr. Martin's lies after the second go-around with him? I can see giving someone a second chance, but a third and fourth? By the way, the Branhamnites are a wicked group and they are NOT Christians. Be ware!

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