Complaint Review: Penny E. Hoffland - EAU CLAIRE Wisconsin

It is true, cat people - especially the women - are totally insane. I can just imagine all the drama this woman generates in her trailer park.

You  post a picture of Richard and slink off, tail between your legs.  Good, you finally get it.

You couldn't stand it, trying to save face by one last comment, low impulse control..

Richard and I would like to thank you for all your additional entries of Penny E. Hoffland that will be hooked via Google to the Internet permnanently. You have made what?....40 comments here, most with Penny's name in them. 

You have helped get the word out regarding Penny E. Hoffland.  Thanks and good bye.

Richard, you clearly think I would be stupid to put my name in any of these threads?  Really, you think that I am the only person living in Wisconsin that uses this site.  Clearly your delusional to think that I am that person; close but clearly not correct...LOL; your in the correct family but wrong member the family nitwit. 

As for contacting Mr. L. Hoffland via facebook...most times from my limited experience with facebook and such, most folks don't read or just delete emails that come from unknown users.  Also would go for contacting that lawyer you mentioned.  I can't speak on authority here for members of the law in our country, but most folks in the legal profession here in the United States never read or use "public" emails.  Its like those "close" elevator buttons...they are there for looks or to make folks feel special but are totally useless if one could open the backside and see the real workings.  Most public emails are there as "feel good" email addresses but are not maintained or checked.

As for Mr. L Hoffland or any legal professional contacting me...sorry chum, never happened and don't expect that it will ever happen.  If anything, one would assume that you were placed on some block/ban list for spamming them with useless information if they use or checked their email.  Now days if folks don't know you most likely its spam anyway but thanks for assuming who I am and trying to stir up trouble...(laughs back off the board).

Oh don't bother replying either Richard, I am bored with your non-sense anyway and off to new and more exciting things...you know winter is coming and which means snowmobiling time here.  Nothing like bar hopping and cruising the white drifts with friends and family.  Bye suckers!

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Lukas Hoffland has not replied to my message. The attorney Paul Taylor has not replied either. I bet Paul cringed a bit when reading Disco Queen's Philadelphia lawyer talk.

Could the reason that Disco Queen (Benn) is running away with his tail between his legs be that Lukas Hoffland put a muzzle on him? Did the attorney Paul Taylor manage to talk some sense into Disco Queen? If so Paul Taylor is a d**n good lawyer!

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County smounty...20 or 40 miles is a few steps away.  Silly.

Your "cute" way of calling people pumpkin and ladies and other silly phrases, also says a lot about you.  You are an angry, frustrated man, at least I guess you are a man. 

I am very glad to hear you are going elsewhere for your daily J. O..

It's a shame that a service like Ripoff Report is misused by trolls, adding pages and pages of their angst, for lack of anything more meaningful to do.

If you can't be accurate or pay attention to your text, then why do you bother?  Maybe because so many trolls here are sloppy and you forgot that there are some people Do attend to details and  do pay attention to words stated as fact.

Disco, YOU posted into about me here.  Personal info. You claim you called my house.   I take that crap real seriously and it's a good thing you are backing down.

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...oh before I forget...saddly neither of you can use a map or the internet to see where my prior posting location of Whitehall, WI is (what county).  Whitehall, WI is in Trempealeau County, not Eau Claire County.  Shish...at this point I would have thought you could use the internet since you claimed you been using it since the 80's...which amazing so was I and atleast I know how to look-up a city location (or in your case you house!).

Ok this is pathedic...good day ladies.

This will be my last reply for a bit since I clearly and dealing with insane, eldery dumb f**ks here that want to or enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing.

RE:  your first point of arguement was clearly taken out of context here.  What I said was that Mrs. P. Hoffland per CCAP and the local phone book is not around (meaning moved or dead).  Per the WEAU-13 death notice about her husband and long time local TV personality...she clearly existed as his wife.  So by the WEAU-13 website, I have to contend that she was atleast alive when that was published.

The second point you made was in fact an error I made.  I admitted that here when I rereviewed what I wrote.  I am a farm kid from Eau Claire County (rural) and went to school nearly my entire life in the Eau Claire school system (which was in the City of Eau Claire).  I never once my entire life lived in the City limits of Eau Claire, WI itself my first posting was in error which I clearly admit.  If you want to make this mistake into the smoking gun...then so be it...but as you see it was an honest mistake to which you can see was just that...honest.  If you try to find me in the City of Eau Claire, good luck since you will find no records at all.  As for trying to find me via an old high school yearbook...good luck on that too.  I never participated in sports (farm kid), no high school photos were ever taken of me (not into pictures) and minus being active in FFA, again no photos of me in there...you will not find me in it minus a name in the back section of classmates with no photos taken (good luck...lol)

As for you thinking I am lying...like I said I went to nearly an all city school system nearly my entire childhood...there was only 11 of us "farm kids" back then that went to Eau Claire so yes...I know Eau Claire well but never lived in the city ever.  So if you want to beat the war drums on my miscommunication...then so be it but others that read this reply will understand that I AGAIN admit that I mistyped my intent.  If this is a problem for you...great...deal with it and suck it!  Past that...good luck on your pathedic life and harrassing a fence post since I really don't care at this point what you have to say or do. 

You posted:
#45 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Disco Queen - Whitehall (USA)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, October 13, 2011

I NEVER ONCE CLAIMED THAT A MRS. PENNY HOFFLAND DOESN'T EXIST...HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS...s**t FOLKS...I KNOW YOUR OLD BUT HELL MY GRANDPARENTS ARE OLDER THAN YOU AND STILL CAN REMEMBER WHAT I TELL THEM.  WRITE IT DONE PLEASE, WRITE THAT I AGREE THAT A MRS. HOFFLAND EXISTS.           (LOL  your..you mean you're......done..you mean down right?  LOL)
#53 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Disco Queen - Whitehall (USA)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, October 15, 2011

I never doubted a Mrs. P. Hoffland existed...

The Truth is:
#1 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Disco Queen - Eleva (USA)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, July 19, 2011
 
I live in Eau Claire, WI ..........
As for trying to locate this Penny E. Hoffland that is the star of this post..why?  I clearly don't think this person exists ......

You also posted:
#53 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Disco Queen - Whitehall (USA)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, October 15, 2011
 
As for your last statement, I have no comment since again I do not live in the City of Eau Claire or the County of Eau Claire

The Truth is:
#1 Consumer Comment
POSTED: Tuesday, July 19, 2011
AUTHOR: Disco Queen - Eleva (USA)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, July 19, 2011
 
I live in Eau Claire, WI ..........

LOL...Bad memory!    You're trolling too much on Charles and anyone for a bit of "air time", I think you have rubbed up against too many uneducated people here.  ""COULD ON HIS BEHAVE AT THIS POINT.""  You mean behalf.  Liberal schools sure beat the heck out of where ever you went.  Jeez!
You are not exactly making a good reputation for Eau Claire, WI.!
You have been trolling on Charles, a person who you do not know, for over two and half years. You have demonstated very well what you are. 

I sent the following message to Lukas Hoffland on Facebook

Lukas Hoffland

I suppose you are aware of the dispute regarding false child abuse allegations your mother posted on 60 YouTube channels. If not, you can read about it here:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/liars/penny-e-hoffland/penny-e-hoffland-pennymusicma-579b3.htm

An anonymous coward using the pseudonym Disco Queen is posting threats on your behalf.

I would like to know if you have authorized this person to act on your behalf and if you condone his behavior.

Regards

Richard Norton

Norway

 

This anonymous coward Disco Queen writes that he has "attempted by all cost to exclude (or shield) Mr. L. Hoffland from this thread..."

In a previous post her writes in capitals that Lukas Hoffland has a great voice and

"I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT YOU BOTH LEAVE HIM ALONE OR YOU BOTH MIGHT FIND OUT WHAT THE U.S. CIVIL COURT SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE HERE IN EAU CLAIRE COUNTY, WISCONSIN.  IF MR. HOFFLAND WON'T FILE, I KNOW I COULD ON HIS BEHAVE AT THIS POINT."

Threatening to file a law suit on Lukas Hoffland's behalf (if Lukas Hoffland himself does not) is a very stupid way of excluding or shielding Lukas Hoffland from the mater! With friends like you who needs enemies! In addition
you associate yourself, a disturbed individual, an anonymous coward and a person that knows very little about how law and how the legal system functions with Lukas Hoffland.

If anyone reading this knows anything about this anonymous coward Disco Queen, name, address etc. please contact me. This anonymous coward published here the name, previous names, address and previous addresses, telephone nr., birth date, ex-husband, a picture of the house of my friend Vennie!
I will publish just like this anonymous coward has and I will publish it several places.

First of all Mr. L. Hoffland is not a person of interest in this post; I can image that he does not appreciate that he is bring brought forth into the actions of his mother and your internal arguments as such.  Secondly I never threatened anyone ever.  I have posted numerous times that I was not threatening but advising you of what one can locate on the internet and that one should take reasonable precautions of such when placing oneself in the firing line such as you have done.  Thirdly, what happens between Mr. Norton and Mrs. P. Hoffland has no direct or indirect interest with either of us.  My comment involving legal action is between you and me.  You have taken a direct interest in securing my vital information and assisting Mr. Norton in posting such information on the web and/or harrassing me as such.  My comment about bring legal action was therefore a comment directly involving such.  And in the long run was created due to your involvement on this thread and also the indirect harrassment of Mr. L. Hoffland.  Since you just again posted that you are willing or have contacted Mr. L. Hoffland it could be argued in the local court here that you have or will take a position to harrass me when possible.  If that would happen I could ask for a restraining order to be issued that would cover both Mr. L. Hoffland and myself as not to waste the court's time in two seperate but equal cases from Mr. Norton and yourself.

As for your comments about that I have harrassed a Mr. L. Hoffland in any shape or form, I am more than willing to stand in Eau Claire Co. Courtroom and submit this thread to the court and petition them to find one time that I have directly or indirectly harrassed or harmed Mr. L. Hoffland and/or his mother (Mrs. P. Hoffland).  Instead I have done neither but have attempted by all cost to exclude (or shield) Mr. L. Hoffland from this thread but its you and Mr. Norton that have forced or dug his association to Mrs. P. Hoffland into this thread.  It could be argued to the court that Mr. L. Hoffland has suffered some level of harrassment by the both of you and petition for damages to be ordered for such against both of you.  Without going into heavy legal definations here that will bore the living out of you and any other reader at this point I will move onto the next rebuttle (point).

Hmmm you comment about me using "VolPing" which is well over my head.  I have no clue what that is or if that is even a word for that matter.   (Hang on let me research that right now before I continue)....brb.

Can't locate anything about this in the matter of a telecommunications device.  I did find a breed of dog breed called a Volping but I believe this is not what your talking about.  Will continue to research some more...stand-by please.

Found a ring called a Volping now but still not right...  Time to try the "google" and see what I find there. 

No found nothing that called or related to a telecommunications device or a way to communicate to another called "Volping" so I am clearly lost here.

As for how I communicate to other members of society is via a "telephone" or via U.S. Mail.  As for being "cool and hip" with all these fancy cellphones and such...I have my reservations on such items and will keep my comments about such devices to myself since this thread is clearly not about my opinion on telecommunication devices and the latest cellphone technology.  If you want to discuss that in further at some point, I am more then willing to discuss this matter in a new or seperate thread all together if you wish.  As for this...I move on to the next point of discussion.

" I don't think you want to call me, it is hooked up to the police" is what you posted on the 14th Oct. 2011.  So please explain how I was to interprete this otherwise.  Your post clearly expressed that your calls were linked to the "police" (assuming the local police department in your area) but now you say that this is not true?  So you admit that one of these statements is false then...your phone is linked to the police (14th Oct) or isn't linked to the police (15 Oct).  You can't have to different or opposing ideas and still equal the same in the end...a critical mind would see that this is not possible so in the end one of these two statements is a false statement.

As for the next statement, I am having a hard time understanding but I will try to push thru it.  Yes I admit freely that I am a 39-year old male living in the "Chippewa Valley" region for "most" of my entire life.  I have to admit that my first posting was in error since I have "never" lived in the City limits of Eau Claire, WI but have lived in the Eau Claire "area" instead.  I also explain later in the posts a bit more of my locations of residency but is not a complete or exhaustive list since again this thread is clearly not about me...or you...Mr. L. Hoffland. 

Yes I will admit I was a truck driver in one of my past employment history, also a licensed medic in the States of Minnesota, Wisconsin and Georgia and....well...darn it...my current and/or past work history is not the point here....lol.  Would you like to discuss my education (schooling)...attended truck driving school and community college in emergency medicine and law enforcement both in Minnesota and Wisconsin and had graduated all with a GPA of 3.87 but again...darn it...this thread is not about me...LOL.

I never doubted a Mrs. P. Hoffland existed...see this weblink that clearly states that Mrs. Hoffland was the wife of a John T. Hoffland (WEAU-13 director).   http://www.weau.com/johnhoffland/headlines/50228967.html so I agree that Mrs. P. Hoffland existed...what I have been trying to say and maybe this will help you "again"...that maybe Mrs. P. Hoffland had moved out of the State of Wisconsin, is in eldery care facility and/or has passed-on from this world.  Having not found any obituary in the local news I can not say with 100% certainty that this is the truth although.  What I am say or have been trying to say that I see no "proof" via a search that a Mrs. P. Hoffland is still alive, in the area or active on the web.  All you both have done by attempting to prove such fact is provide or posted out-dated photographs of past incidents (some as late as 2008) or redirected the reader (including me) to your own website(s) that discuss the same such with outdated photos and evidence.  I will admit that you "claim" that Mrs. P. Hoffland is still a current user of the internet but have failed beyond a reasonable doubt to provide such information.  Instead you provide still outdated information, links to your own website(s) or a site with photos with no independent login activity.  Example:  some dating sites will say when a person was last logged in..so the user can see if this profile is still active or stale.  Does this make sense yet...I am not sure if I could make is anymore clearly.  To prove your point that Mrs. P. Hoffland is still an active member of Amazon.com or any other independent website, one would need to see when Mrs. P. Hoffland last logged into such site not photoshopped copies of that site via your website. 

As for the claim of "attacking" Mr. Norton or yourself...first of all "attacking" is a strong language and you need to define what you mean by that.  I will define this here myself...a) I never have met Mr. Norton and/or you in person and have no desire to do such ever  b) I never sent you any type of mail via the U.S. postal service, Fed-Ex, UPS or any other mode of mass transportation to move packages/letters  c)  I never attempted to contact you via the telephone or mass communications devise..yes I know and will admit that I made up that statement (see I can and will admit it was false and apologize for such remark having been made)  d) as for warning Mr. Norton, you and/or anyone else over potential or future exposure of any and/or of my vital information that I have not posted here by my own free-will is harrassment and I have the legal right to defend such illegal activity.  Same as you do and to which I have refrained from posting such "private" information on this site.  I believe I have made it very clear in not one, not two but three different posts on this thread that I have no desire to post such information "ever".  I hope we are on the same page here now finally.  I expect that if you would come into possession of such information about myself to respect my desires that such information also be kept off this or any other site too.  If you or anyone else would post such information without my direct, written consent...they will find themselves as a litigant in a civil tort case fairly quickly and the website owner being ordered by the court to immediately to remove such information.  So if this is "attacking" in your mind as you posted...then I don't know what you say other than I am in my legal right to defend and enforce my rights to privacy.  And to make sure I am perfectly clear on my intent, I will post the following statement "again" for legal purposes.  "I hereby post that I do NOT wish that any of my personal information be published on this website (Ripoffreport.com) and/or any other website which will include, but not limited to personal blogs, facebook, twitter, etc.  That failure to heed my request will be met with immediate civil action which will include but not limited to request of removal of such information and damages as allowed by law."

As for your last statement, I have no comment since again I do not live in the City of Eau Claire or the County of Eau Claire; that this is your opinion and per the U.S. Consitution you are allowed to your opinion and your right to express such. 

Good day.

There is an open police report on harassers from YouTube.  I have already contacted the Sheriff in the past about calls made to me using VoIPing, which is what you have done as well. I never said  "hot wired"!  Your call will be reported as well. You are so foolish to threaten me online and admit you called me. No, we don't know who you are but you are 39, lived in Eau Claire all your life and were a truck driver. I am not the only one you have threatened on line either.  Threatening identity theft is NOT a good idea.

I notice you failed to address my rebuttal to you showing your own words that you doubted Penny E Hoffland existed. This after you denied stating just that.  You are all over the map....ignoring what the report is about. Documenting Penny E Hoffland's verbal attacks on Richard publically. 

Now you , from Eau Claire WI., are attacking Richard and I. 
I saw Penny in action on YouTube for almost three years, Richard posted examples of her confused rantings.  You ought to backoff or I will really think there is somethng wrong with Eau Claire, the air?  The Water? that makes people go off on people they don't know.  

Are you sure Lukas Hoffland wants you as his attorney? Has Lukas Hoffland given you permission to make threats on his behalf?

I will be contacting him and asking him. If he approves or declines to answer than that would be of public interest.

As you mention Lukas Hoffland is "a public figure (per say)". It is perhaps understandable that he has a problem saying much about his mother's slander, libel, threats and demented behavior on the internet. If Lukas
Hoffland has any problem unequivocally denouncing this anonymous coward "Disco Queen" and his threatening behavior that that is of public interest.  

I HAD TO REPLY TO THIS...THEN I AM OFF TO BED....YOU STATED:  "BTW, I pay for a Privacy Manager to handle weirdos who are calling to harass me.  I don't think you want to call me, it is hooked up to the police."  I WENT TO THE WEB TO CONFIRM WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A "PRIVACY MANAGER" IN YOUR STATE. 

PER AT&T IN CA AND NV...A PRIVACY MANAGER IS MUCH LIKE CALLER ID BUT ONLY ALLOWS "ACCEPTED" CALLS TO GET THRU TO YOUR PHONE.  UNLISTED (SUCH AS MINE IS), BLOCKED CALLS, KNOWN TELEMARKETERS, ETC WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED THRU OR THEY WOULD BE GREETED WITH A SET-UP VOICE MAIL GREETING SAYING SUCH.  WE HAVE A LIKE PROGRAM HERE ALSO AND ITS NOT LINKED TO THE LOCAL, COUNTY OR STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.

IF YOU WERE BEING HARRASSED AND AN OFFICER KNEW YOU HAD THIS FEATURE ON YOUR PHONE MOST LIKELY WE WOULD ADVISE YOU TO ADD ANY AND ALL KNOWN NUMBERS TO THE BLOCKED LIST AT THIS POINT FORWARD.  IF THE HARRASSMENT LATER WAS UPGRADED TO SOME FURTHER THREAT (SUCH AS PHYISCAL VIOLENCE, U.S. MAIL OR SOME OTHER TYPE) THEN WE WOULD GET INVOLVED FURTHER. 

TRUST ME YOUR THREAT OF YOUR PHONE "HOT WIRED" TO THE POLICE IN YOUR AREA IS AGAIN A FALSE STATEMENT AND YOU KNOW SUCH IS FALSE.  SO PLEASE KEEP YOUR POSTS TO FACTUAL POINTS NOT WISHFUL THINKING.

BELOW IS THE AT&T (CA/NV) PRIVACY MANAGER SERVICE AND WHAT IS DOES FOR ANYONE ELSE TO READ:    http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=5947&phase=check

YOU STATEMENT ABOUT MRS. HOFFLAND ACCUSING MR. NORTON OF CHILD ABUSE WHILE IS OUT OF LINE IN ITSELF...HAS NUMEROUS PROBLEMS ITSELF.  HERE IS THE REASON:  YOU STATE THAT "HAS NO STATUE OF LIMITATIONS"  (CHILD MOLESTING ALLEGATION).  FIRST OF ALL YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MRS. HOFFLAND LIVES IN THE UNITED STATES AND MR. NORTON LIVES IN NORWAY RIGHT?  SO MY CRITICAL THINKING WOULD ASK HOW WOULD SEE HAVE DIRECT (FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE) OF SUCH INFORMATION THAT WOULD SUPPORT THIS ALLEGATION?  WAS SHE OR HER SON A VICTIM OF HIS ACTIONS AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST?  YOUR POSTS AND HIS NEVER PROVIDE SUCH INFORMATION SO WE HAVE TO RULE THIS OUT AS A POSSIBLITY. 

THEN WHAT ABOUT ACCESSING THE CRIMINAL DATABASE THERE IN NORWAY?  I PERSONALLY DO NOT KNOW HOW THAT IS DONE AND SINCE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT SHE HAD EITHER, ONE WOULD HAVE TO REASON AGAIN THIS STATEMENT OF CHILD ABUSE IS FALSE AGAIN.

SO THEN WE HAVE TO VIEW THE FACT THAT THE UNITED STATES LAWS OR BELIEVE SYSTEM (MORAL CONDUCT) HAS NO BEARING ON ANY OTHER NATION ON THIS PLANET.  WHAT WE MIGHT FIND OFFESIVE HERE, MIGHT BE A CULTURAL NORM IN ANOTHER COUNTRY.  AS MUCH AS THE UNITED STATE GOVERNMENT AND ITS PEOPLE FEEL THAT WE ARE THE CENTER OF THIS PLANET, THE CASE IS WE AREN'T.  THE COUNTRIES LAWS AND MORAL CODE ONLY GOES AS FAR AS ITS BORDERS (WITH A FEW EXEMPTIONS).  WE CAN NOT NOR CAN WE ALLOW OUR LAWS/MORAL CODE BE FORCED ONTO A SOVERIGN NATION (SUCH AS NORWAY).  SO WHAT WE MIGHT FEEL IS CHILD ABUSE IN NORWAY (HAVING SEX WITH A 17 YEAR OLD, MAYBE COMPLETELY LEGAL IN THEIR COUNTRY (EUROPEAN LAWS OF CONSENT IS ANYWHERE FROM 16-17 YEARS OF AGE).  SO A CRITICAL THINKING PERSON WOULD UNDERSTAND THIS POINT AND AGAIN DISMISS THIS ALLEGATION OF CHILD ABUSE TILL FURTHER REVIEW OF ALL THE FACTS BASED ON NORWAY'S LAWS AND MORAL CODE.

AS FOR YOUR STATEMENT OF NO STATUE OF LIMITATIONS ON CHILD ABUSE...THIS IS A FALSE STATEMENT HERE AT LEAST IN THE UNITED STATES AND VARIES BY STATE TO STATE.  ALL STATES DO INDEED HAS A STATUS OF LIMITATIONS OF CRIMINAL PROSECUTION OF CHILD ABUSE, BUT NOT CIVIL (TORT) CASES.  EX:  NEW JERSEY ALLOWS THE ADULT (CHILD VICTIM) TO FILE A CHILD ABUSE CLAIM UP TO THEIR 31ST BIRTHDAY.  MICHIGAN STATUE OF LIMITATIONS VARY ON WHAT CRIME HAD OCCURED DURING OR IMMEDIATELY THERE AFTER.  WISCONSIN STATUE OF LIMITATIONS IS UP TO THEIR VICTIMS 21ST BIRTHDAY.  SO YOUR CLAIM THAT THERE IS NO STATUE OF LIMITATION IS A FALSE STATEMENT.  IN A CIVIL (TORT) CLAIM MOST STATES HAVE NO STATUE OF LIMITATIONS OF CHILD ABUSE AND THAT IS WHY YOU SEE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BEING SUED YEARS LATER FOR SEXUAL ABUSE BY FORMER CLERGY MEMBERS; SO PLEASE DON'T CONFUSE THE TWO. 

OK I AM TIRED AND HAVE NO DESIRE TO PROOF-READ WHAT I JUST WROTE SO HOPEFULLY IT WILL MAKE SENSE.

OK I JUST REREAD YOUR LAST POST...THINK YOU JUST LOST THE BATTLE WHEN YOU SAID..."PENNY USED ALOT OF CAPITAL LETTERS TOO".  YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT PENNY IS NO LONGER EITHER ALIVE OR AN ACTIVE POSTER ON THE WEB.  SHISH...GUESS YOU JUST LOST YOUR DEBATE HUH?

AS FOR ME POSTING IN ALL CAP'S...YOU CAN'T READ WHAT I SAY...YOU ONLY SEE WHAT YOU WISH TO SEE SO I AM DOING THIS NOW WHICH DID SEEM TO WORK CLEARLY FOR YOU?

SORRY ABOUT YOUR POSTING BUT I KNOW THE LAW MUCH BETTER THAN MOST DO.  WITHOUT EXPLAINING MY CURRENT/PAST EMPLOYMENT HISTORY TO YOU, SINCE ITS NOT THE SUBJECT OF DEBATE HERE...TRUST MY MA'AM...I KNOW THE LAWS VERY WELL AS I TASKED TO ENFORCE SUCH LAWS HERE IN MY HOME STATE.

AS FOR YOUR CLEAR MISUNDERSTANDING OF MY ORIGINAL POST, WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT A MRS. PENNY HOFFLAND HAS NO PHYSICAL ADDRESS IN PUBLIC RECORDS BOTH VIA INTERNET PHONEBOOK, THE LOCAL PHONE BOOK OR THE OPEN RECORDS LAW AS ALLOWED PER Wis. Stat. 19.31 through 19.39 WHICH WOULD LEAD THE AVERAGE PERSON TO BELIEVE THIS PERSON EITHER IS DEAD OR MOVED OUT-OF-STATE.  HOW HARD IS IT FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO UNDERSTAND THIS? 

AS FOR YOUR ACCUSATIONS OF ME THREATING YOU...YOU WILL FIND THAT I HAVE NOT VIOLATED FEDERAL TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT  U.S. TITLE 47, CHAPTER 5, SUBCHAPTER II, PART I, 223 AS NO COMMUNICATION EVER TOOK PLACE NOR AN ATTEMPT TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU EVER HAD OCCURRED.  TO FILE A FALSE POLICE REPORT IS A CRIME (ASSUMING THE SAME IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA ALSO). 

IF YOU WOULD FILE A FALSE POLICE REPORT AGAINST ME AND NO EVIDENCE WAS PROVEN, YOU HAVE THEN OPENED YOURSELF UP TO A CIVIL TORT MATTER AS TO WHICH I COULD SUE YOU IN MY HOME COUNTY COURTROOM FOR FILING A FALSE POLICE REPORT CLAIMING HARRASSMENT.  tHE TIME SPENT TRAVELING TO MY AREA AND RETAINING A WI LICENSED LAWYER WOULDN'T BE WORTH IT.  THAT IS IN ADDITION TO ME SECURING A LEGAL JUDGEMENT AGAINST YOU AND YOUR PROPERTY TO WHICH I WOULD IMMEDIATELY ASK THE COURT FOR ACTION ON. 

TRUST ME, I KNOW THE LAW VERY WELL HERE...LIKE I SAID I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH YOU AT ALL AND DON'T WANT TO TAKE THIS MATTER THIS FAR, BUT YOUR FRIEND MR. NORTON IS ATTEMPTING TO SECURE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT ME AND SAID HE WILL POST SUCH ON THIS SITE.  THEN YOU JUMP IN ON THE CONVERSATION...AND TRUST ME, IT APPEARS THAT YOU ARE ASSISTING IN HIS ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AND I AM MORE ABLE TO SECURE A LEGAL JUDGEMENT AND SUMMARY ON SOMEONE IN COUNTRY THEN SOMEONE OUT OF COUNTRY FIRST.

SO AGAIN, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH YOU AT ALL.  THE POSTS THAT YOU ALL SHOW ARE OUTDATED POSTS..I HAVE TRIED TO VERIFY ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU ALL TALK ABOUT DIRECTLY MINUS WEBSITES CREATED BY YOU AND/OR MR. NORTON AND FIND NOTHING TO PROVE THAT A MRS. HOFFLAND'S ACTIVITIES.  IF YOU CAN DIRECT ME TO A DIRECT WEBSITE OF HER CURRENT ACTIVITIES THEN MAYBE THIS CONVERSATION WOULD BE DIFFERENT.  THAT DOESN'T MEAN SCREEN SHOTS OF YOUR WEBSITE OF WHAT SHE SAID...DOES NOT MEAN SOMEONE'S WEBSITE OF WHAT WAS SAID EITHER.  I WANT TO SEE DIRECT PROOF...EX:  AMAZON WEBSITE PROFILE OF HERS...NOT MR. NORTON'S. 

Your whole reason for posting on Richard's report was you claimed she didn't exist.  Penny E. Hoffland is the name she used on YouTube and other places. You obsession with her and us is strange to say the least.  BTW, I pay for a Privacy Manager to handle weirdos who are calling to harass me.  I don't think you want to call me, it is hooked up to the police.  
Read below all your comments about Penny E.Hoffland not existing. All the efort you have put into searches on her and now me, show what you are, an uneducated troll who has a lot of displaced anger, who isn't even remembering what they wrote.  You say we have mental failings?  HA!
 
AUTHOR: Disco Queen - Eleva (USA)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, July 19, 2011
 
POSTED: Tuesday, July 19, 2011
I live in Eau Claire, WI and I had reviewed you posting and I find multiple issues here.
 
1.  Penny E.  Hoffland does not live at the address that you have listed which can also be verified on the web.  The address that you have posted is for a Penny L. Hoffland.
 
2.  There is no legal record of a Penny E. Hoffland existing here in Eau Claire, WI via the local 2011 telephone book or an old phone book from 2009.
 
3.  Here in Wisconsin, we pride ourselves on having a very liberal "open records" law on past/current criminal/civil records which can be viewed by anyone via the web at "Wisconsin Circuit Court Access (CCAP)" website.  Again there is no legal record on any Penny Hoffland in the entire State of Wisconsin ever.
 
5.  I am unable to locate any Penny Hoffland youtube sites excluding anything you have posted.
 
6.  The last communications you have posted via this site are from 2009...isn't it time to move on already?  Personally this is truly sad that you have held onto this that long. 
 
As for trying to locate this Penny E. Hoffland that is the star of this post..why?  I clearly don't think this person exists or maybe still in the area.  All records that I have found have turned up empty handed.  Time to let this one trick pony out to pasture friend.
 
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Penny uses Penny E Hoffland on her Amazon profile with her picture,which I posted, the same picture she used on YouTube,which Richard has already posted.  BTW, calling someone a convicted child abuser, as Penny did, has no statute of limitations. I doubt you would give up discrediting a person who did that to you.

Also, I have been using Computer since the early 80's and a user of the Internet since its inception.  Go mind your own business.  Penny used a lot of capital letters too!

AGAIN, MAYBE I NEED TO WRITE THIS POST IN ALL CAPS TO GET MY f**kING POINT ACROSS HERE FOR SOME OF YOU THAT ARE SO OLD THAT YOU CAN READ WELL.  I DON'T KNOW PENNY OR HER SON BUT I DID LOCATE HER SON AND I CAN SAFELY REPORT THAT I AM MUCH OLDER THEM HIM; BY ABOUT 10 YEARS I SAY.

ITS NONE OF ANYONE'S BUSINESS WHAT MR. HOFFLAND IS DOING BUT I WILL SAY HE HAS A GREAT VOICE AND IS A JOY TO LISTEN TO SING AND SINCE HE IS A PUBLIC FIGURE (PER SAY) I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT YOU BOTH LEAVE HIM ALONE OR YOU BOTH MIGHT FIND OUT WHAT THE U.S. CIVIL COURT SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE HERE IN EAU CLAIRE COUNTY, WISCONSIN.  IF MR. HOFFLAND WON'T FILE, I KNOW I COULD ON HIS BEHAVE AT THIS POINT. 

NOT SURE HOW I WOULD CONTINUE TO KNOW THE LATE MR. HOFFLAND MINUS I SAW HIM VERY OCCASIONALY ON TELEVISION.  I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TALK TO THE DEAD (YET) DO YOU?  AND DON'T YOU AGREE THAT WHAT MRS. HOFFLAND AND MR. NORTON HAVE CONTINUED TO DO IS CHILDISH?  ITS LIKE TWO SPOILED CHILDREN THAT WANT THE SAME TOY...NAME CALLING IS WHAT I HEAR.  A GROWN-UP WOULD HAVE JUST WALKED AWAY AT THIS POINT AND IGNORED THE RANT OF THE OTHER PARTY.  I QUESTION WHAT "REAL" DAMAGE WAS DONE MINUS A HURT EGO...DID MR. NORTON LOSE A JOB OR WAS ARRESTED DUE TO INTERNET ALLIGATIONS OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITY?  AT THIS POINT MR. NORTON NEVER ONCE CLAIMED EITHER SO THE FACT IS ALL THAT HAPPENED IS MR. NORTON HAS A BRUISED EGO AND WANTS JUSTICE, BUT AT WHAT COST?  WE BOTH HAVE TO AGREE THAT MR. NORTON'S CONTINUAL RANT ABOUT SOMETHING THAT FIRST OCCURRED YEARS AGO HAS DONE MORE CONTINUAL DAMAGE TO HIMSELF THEN WHAT MRS. HOFFLAND EVER INTENDED IN THE FIRST PLACE.  (EXAMPLE:  PUTTING OUT A FIRE WITH GASOLINE WILL ONLY FURTHER THE FIRE).

THE NEXT POINT YOU RAISE IS THAT I CLAIMED THAT I JUMPED IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS ARGUEMENT AND AM CLAIMING THAT THIS WHOLE POST IS UNTRUE.  I WISH YOU WOULDN'T DISTORT THE TRUE SINCE YOU CLEARLY MISUNDERSTAND THAT NO PAST POST CAN BE DELETED FROM THIS WEBSITE.  IF YOU WOULD READ UP, YOU WILL SEE THAT I NEVER ONCE SAID THE LATTER.  I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT WAS SAID MINUS WHAT MR. NORTON HAS FURNISHED HERE ON THIS SITE.  I ONLY STARTED ON THIS POST STATING THAT HE NEEDS TO GIVE THIS POST A REST SINCE THE INFORMATION HE HAS PROVIDE WAS OLD OR "STALE" (TO USE A LEGAL TERM).  THAT ONE POST WOULD BE MORE THEN ENOUGH AND MAYBE A FEW REBUTTLES BUT TO MAKE THIS INTO THE SECOND LONGEST THREAD ON THIS SITE IS OUT OF LINE.  I HAVE TO WONDER IF MR. NORTON HAS SOME RUNNING FEUD WITH A CHARLES FROM PHONEX CITY, AL (MENTALLY CHALLENGED POSTER) THAT COMMENTS ON EVERYONE BUT HAS NO AUTHORITY ON NEARLY ANYTHING HERE AND HAS I BELIEVE THE LONGEST THREAD ON RIPOFFREPORT.COM.  SET THE POINTS OUT, OFFER A FEW LINES OF REBUTTLES AND THEN LET THE MATTER DROP IS HOW TO DEBATE OR PROVE A POINT, NOT RUN THE ARGUEMENT INTO THE GROUND...THAT PROVES NOTHING OTHER THAN THE PERSON IS IMMATURE, HELPLESS AND SPOILED.

I NEVER ONCE CLAIMED THAT A MRS. PENNY HOFFLAND DOESN'T EXIST...HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS...s**t FOLKS...I KNOW YOUR OLD BUT HELL MY GRANDPARENTS ARE OLDER THAN YOU AND STILL CAN REMEMBER WHAT I TELL THEM.  WRITE IT DONE PLEASE, WRITE THAT I AGREE THAT A MRS. HOFFLAND EXISTS.  (NEXT POINT)

IF MRS. HOFFLAND DID LIBEL MR. NORTON (WHICH I AM NOT DOUBTING OR DENYING...s**t DID YOU WRITE THAT DOWN?)  THEN MR. NORTON SHOULD HAVE FILED A COMPLAINT TO HIS LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.  DID HE?  I WOULD SAY NO SINCE HE NEVER ONCE STATED THAT HERE.

I AM NOT THREATING YOU...I AM JUST TELLING YOU THAT IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THIS TIE FOR TAT GAME THAT YOU BOTH WANT (OR LOVE) TO PLAY THEN I WILL PLAY TOO.  IT WAS MR. NORTON THAT THREATENED TO POST MY VITAL INFORMATION ON HERE AND ALSO HARRASS ME VIA THAT INFORMATION WHICH IS A STATE AND FEDERAL CRIME (TELECOMMUNICATIONS LAWS).  HE DOESN'T KNOW U.S. LAW BUT YOU DO...IF YOU ARE SO KNOWLEDGABLE AND CLOSE TO MR. NORTON, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU TELL YOUR FRIEND TO STAND DOWN SINCE THE U.S. AND NORWAY DO HAVE LEGAL TREATIES WITH EACH COUNTRY AND I WILL USE THEM TO FORCE CIVIL AND/OR CRIMINAL CHARGES ON ANYONE THAT VIOLATES U.S. CODE THAT COVERS THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT (U.S. CODE TITLE 47, SECTION 223).  I AM DONE PLAYING MR. NICE GUY HERE (HOPE THIS IS EVERY CLEAR TO BOTH OF YOU).

AS FOR HIDING BEHIND A FALSE SCREEN NAME ON THE INTERNET, I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE FRAUD THAT CAN AND DOES OCCUR ON A DAILY BASIS VIA THE WEB.  DUE TO YOUR AGE AND LACK OF UNDERSTANDING HOW THE WEB TRULY WORKS I CAN SEE HOW YOU THINK NO ONE WOULD ATTEMPT TO VICTIMIZE FOLKS INTO RELEASING VITAL INFORMATION SO THEY CAN BE SCAMMED.  HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF FOLKS FALL VICTIM TO IDENTITY THEFT DAILY FROM THEIR OWN ACTIONS ON THE WEB.  IF IT WOULD BE POSTING PICTURES OF THEMSELVES ON THEIR LAST VACATION TO POSTING THEIR FULL BIRTH DATE ON FACEBOOK.  FOLKS WILL BE HARMED PERIOD.  THERE IS FOLKS TROLLING THIS SITE AS WE SPEAKING LOOKING FOR THE NEXT VICTIM OF IDENTITY THEFT.  IDENTITY THEFT IS THE LARGEST CRIME IN THE UNITED STATES AND ITS ESTIMATED THAT OVER 3 BILLION DOLLARS IS LOST THIS YEAR ALONE DUE TO IT.  WITH A SIMPLE SEARCH OF YOU NAME, I WAS ABLE TO GET VITAL INFORMATION ABOUT YOU (WHICH I DIDN'T POST ALL OF IT HERE) TO MAKE YOU THE NEXT VICTIM OF IDENTITY THEFT.  I WAS ABLE TO LOCATE ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT IF I CHOSE TO, I COULD OPEN CREDIT CARDS IN YOUR NAME, REROUTE YOUR MAIL TO A NEW ADDRESS AND OPEN CHARGE COUNTS AT MAJOR STORES AND RAKE IN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN YOUR NAME ALL BEFORE YOU DISCOVERED THAT YOU ARE A VICTIM OF IDENTITY THEFT.  BY THE TIME YOU FIND OUT, YOUR HOUSE COULD BEEN SEIZED BY THE COURTS TO PAY OFF THE MASSIVE DEBT AND/OR GARINISHED YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK (WHICH IS NOT JUDGEMENT PROOF IN THE COLLECTIONS OF A PAST DEBT- SOCIAL SECURITY DISABLITY ALTHOUGH IS JUDGEMENT PROOF).  UNDERSTAND ANYTHING YOU POST ON THE WEB CAN BE USED BY SOMEONE TO SCAM OR DEFRAUD YOU.   HERE IS AN EXAMPLE THAT HAPPENED EARLIER THIS YEAR...MAYBE THIS WILL MAKE SENSE TO YOU.  A FRIEND OF MINE IS A PASTOR FOR A LOCAL CHURCH (I DON'T BELONG TO THIS CHURCH OF HIS)...BUT ANYWAY, I GOT AN EMAIL FROM HIM THRU HIS OWN EMAIL ACCOUNT SAYING THAT HE WAS CURRENTLY IN LONDON, UK.  THAT HIS WALLET, PASSPORT AND CREDIT CARDS WERE ALL HEIST FROM HIM.  PER THE EMAIL HE WAS ASKING THAT I WIRE HIM $250 IMMEDIATELY SO HE CAN GET A NEW PASSPOST FROM THE AMERICAN EMBASSY AND FLY BACK HOME.  NOW PER THE PASTOR, HE LATER TOLD ME THAT HE HAD OVER 12 FOLKS IN HIS EMAIL CONTACT LIST GET THAT EMAIL...SO IF WE ALL SENT THE PASTOR $250 X 12 THAT IS $3000.  LAST I REMEMBER A PASSPORT DOESN'T COST THAT MUCH EVER.  SO I CALLED THE PASTOR DIRECTLY ON HIS CELL SINCE I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS GOING TO LONDON; HERE IT WAS A SCAM.  HE WAS HERE IN THE STATES...HAPPY AS A CLAM AND IT WAS A CASE OF IDENTITY THEFT.  SOME CRIMINAL SOMEWHERE IN THE WORLD WAS TRYING TO SCAM HIM AND HIS FRIENDS OUT OF MONEY.  IN THIS CASE $3000.  YOU UNDERSTAND?  THE INTERNET IS FULL OF CON-ARTISTS AND CRIMINAL MINDS OUT TO MILK EVERYTHING YOU HAVE AND THEN SOME.  WHY PLACE YOURSELF IN DIRECT HARMS WAY?  DO YOU LIKE TO HAVE EVERYTHING YOU OWN BE GONE IN A FEW KEYSTROKES SINCE IF THAT IS THE CASE, PLEASE DONATE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO THE LOCAL HOMELESS SHELTER IN YOUR AREA, THEY WILL BE GLAD TO TAKE IT.

THE REASON WHY I AM HERE IS SINCE I GREW-UP, GRADUATED SCHOOL, HAVE FAMILY HERE AND PLAN ON DYING HERE IN THE CHIPPEWA VALLEY REGION.  SO YES, I DO HAVE AN INTEREST IN WHAT YOU BOTH HAVE TO SAY ABOUT MY FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS, CO-WORKERS AND THE FOLKS THAT LIVE HERE.  IT WOULD BE THE SAME IF I WENT AND CLAIMED YOUR NEIGHBORS WERE TERRORISTS...I WOULD FULLY EXPECT THAT YOU WOULD DEFEND OR AT LEAST GET INVOLVED IN SOME FASHION IN THE THREAD.  DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?

AS FOR LOOKING YOU UP, YOUR CURRENT AND PAST RESIDENT LOCATIONS, YOUR MAIDEN NAME, MARRIAGE STATUS, PAST/CURRENT EMPLOYEMENT STATUS, CRIMINAL HISTORY...SORRY ITS ALL ON THE WEB AND IF IT WASN'T FOR MR. NORTON'S REQUEST AND YOUR NAGGING FOR ME TO EXPOSE MYSELF...I GUESS I WOULDN'T HAVE RELEASED YOUR INFORMATION WOULD I?  TIT FOR TAT...YOU GUYS WANT TO PLAY THE GAME, LIKE I SAID I AM WILLING TO PLAY...BUT NOW THAT THE SHOE IS ON YOUR FOOT, NOW ITS NOT FUN HUH?  WELL SORRY HONEY YOU STARTED IT, I WARNED YOU TO BACK OFF...YOU REFUSED SO NOW HOW DOES IT FEEL?  HURTS HUH?  AND WHEN ARE YOU HOME?...NO ONE ANSWERED YOUR PHONE AND YES...IF YOU HAVE CALLER ID...CALL THE NUMBER BACK...ITS A DISCONNECTED NUMBER...LOL...BE AMAZED THE POWER OF THE INTERNET. 

AND AGAIN I AM NOT LUKE (AS YOU BOTH SAY HIS NAME IS...WHICH IS INCORRECT BUT WHATEVER)...I WOULD POST HIS CORRECT NAME BUT AGAIN HE IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION HERE. 



NEXT?  WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THIS CHILDISH GAME OR DO YOU WANT TO DROP IT. 



(sidebar:  I will not release nor give out anyone's vital information in the attempts to defraud, harm and/or steal the identity of any person(s) that has or will be mentioned in this thread.  Any attempt to do so on anyone's part is in violation of U.S. federal/state law(s) and are subject to criminal/civil action and will assist in, provide and/or supply all known information to the appropriate law enforcement/court as directed upon request.  I hope I made myself VERY clear here).

You claim you don't know Penny or her late husband. Richard writes a report on Penny because she sent out bulletins to 60 people over the Intenet that he was a convicted child abuser and suddenly you are right in the middle of the report, claiming it's all untrue.

I, who have very personal experience with the people mentioned, tried to let you know that you were incorrect, that Penny really exists and DID seriously libel Richard. 

Now you have posted personal information about me.  Now you are Threatening me?  Because I said you are wrong about Penny's actions.  Why are you stalking me? 

Neither Richard not I are cowards, hiding behind a made up name, like you. You are a nameless unknown, insulting my mental state, having no connection at all to the original report.  You are researching me on the Internet and posting my info?  Doesn't seem like a stable mental state to me. You seem obsessive, and very angry, yet you say WE need professional help. We'll see if RippedOff feels you are violating their TOS.

Yes I was married, yes Bill lives in Oregon now. so what?

I never lived in Daly City nor Corta Madera.  We love our green house.  What does the color of my house have to do with Richard's  reporting about Penny Hoffland? 

Sorry about you mother. Sounds a bit like Penny.  LOL

You know what honey...you pissed off the wrong person now.  I will be on you and your sorry pathedic life like glue now.  You want to play these games...well you barked up the wrong tree honey.  Welcome to my game now.

Clearly all three of you have some age-related mental health issues.  Between Penny, Richard and you...all over 50+ (me being in my 30's yet) have some age-related mental health issue(s).  Sorry but clearly this is the common theme to this whole post.  Really sad really...but then if I think about it, my mother which is 62 is suffering from the same thing...delusional thinking. 

So I can't help any of you at this point...I am not a mental health professional but I can suggest all three of you please seek out medical assistance asap.

Vennie A. Yancy lives at 101 Gregory Drive, Fairfax, CA  Telephone number: (415) 454-4526  Born:  December 15th, 1947  Has or still uses the names of Vennie Y Goodrich and/or Vennie Aum.  Has moved from the following cities (would write addresses but really who wants to know that:  San Rafael, CA, Daly City, CA, San Francisco, CA, Corte Madera, CA and San Rafael, CA.  Will not post your employer information since I do not wish to involve them in any shape or fashion here as goes for your relatives or ex-husband (Bill) which lives in Springfield, Oregon. 

At this point posting more would open numerous other possible identity theft issues for you so will NOT post information (such as social security number, your son's name, location of birth, your parents names and other numerous vital information one can find on the web for a small cost).  You want to see yourself what anyone can find...go ahead but I don't take your baiting me.  Sorry ma'am, but I didn't fall off the watermelon truck yesterday and don't know the law...you need to be three steps in front of me to have me fall your the reverse psychology trick there.  Have a good day to pumpkin...me thinks you need to change that house "green" to someone less of an eye sore too.

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She has a son and she is a Amazon reviewer.  Not me.

I have nothing to hide, yes I have an Amazon account. So what. Go ahead and search away on me,  seeing as how you have no life of your own but just troll rippedoffreports for things to fill your time. A simple search of my user name would have given you the same info.  Unlike you, DISCO QUEEN, Richard and I do not hide behind fake names or in Sherri Amirault's case using MY name to report on people.
You are very foolish, confused and disturbed person. 

Richard has posted info on Penny Hoffland here because of her very wide and public lies about him.  Lies about his son. Very serious  stuff. Of course he will discredit her and show her for what she is, a liar, at least in this case.  Why you have jumped in with your absurb comments is hard to say.  You are either Luke or just a troll.

Penny Hoffland is an Amazon reviewer, her address is shown there.. Enough said. Bluff away somewhere else.

I just finished a simple google search on your name and minus some personal information I found...what is your problem with identity theft?  You both need to take a lesson from your past run-ins on prior events and learn from them.  I would have thought this was normal, common-sense to mask or create false profiles when on the web but clearly some folks just don't understand that the web is full of criminal-like minds out there looking for someone to scam.

Its beyond laughable at this point at the countless scams and problems you both have had...its down right sad really.  I mean didn't your parents raise you right?  Teach you that posting vital information on the web or leaving critical information in laying around is an identity thieves' wonderland?  What are you teaching your son then?  I can only hope he has learned from his father or the school system there in that liberal state you live in (California) since you clearly don't understand or lack the skills to understand what you did wrong. 

Disturbed is all I can say...and pray for your son and the future of this country.

This is my suggestion to you Vennie Yancy; you just opened yourself up to identity theft when you posted that screen shot of your amazon.com account.  I was within 3 minutes able to locate your vital information that would place you in immediate danger of identity theft; all which could be found with the right know how via the world-wide web.

I would have thought you would have been atleast smart enough to blacken out your real name from the amazon.com screen shot before posting it on this site...this site is about ripoff's and scams for gosh-sake....lol. 

I want to make my intentions fully clear here that I have no intentions of EVER committing fraud or identity theft of you or anyone else for that matter.  I just wanted to alert you to the biggest mistake I have seen yet on this thread.  Remember anything and I mean anything can be found on the internet if one looks hard enough for it.  All you need is one piece of information which unlocks another piece of information, which in turns open another and another.  This is why identity theft is so rampant on the web...folks don't understand or are careless to their personal information and are their own worst enemy.

Please take appropriate precautions due to your lack of personal breach of information on this site (gosh knows what lurks in the corners of this website).

This is only a suggestion and take any or no precautions as you see fit please.  Lastly this is NOT a threat to you or your identity, just a suggestion due to your lack of common, on-line sense is all. 

Please note that I have not provide nor will I EVER prove or post any further information about what I found here since I do not nor will I be part of any identity theft ever.  Please don't ask me to prove what I found since I WILL NOT reply to such request.  To post any further information will place me at risk with the site owner, law enforcement and/or a courtroom in your state of residency.  I hope you understand my wishes and respect them too.

Got the message that the photo of the phonebook listed was blocked due to possible harrassment issues and the fact that the photo showed the numbers of residents in the Eau Claire/Chippewa Falls area.  If I want to I could block them but at this point why...you aren't going to get it anyway.  The fact is there is no Penny Hoffland listed in the phonebook period and nothing you are going to say or do will change that fact.  Get over it folks, hell this person if still alive would be in her late 60's now and is this how your parents raised you?  To be hurtful, vindictive a-holes?  if so I am sorry to hear that and only can pray that your eyes will be opened to your sinful ways before its to late.

God bless and good day.

You know I was trying not to have to attach photos and all since I thought I was dealing with sane, reasonable adults here but thanks for proving me wrong folks.  Clearly I am talking with out-of-touch with reality members of society which makes me wonder why I am bothering at this point...lol.  But since you all love to post photographs of stuff I will too.

The first photo is of the Eau Claire/Chippewa Falls cities (other known as the Chippewa Valley region, named after the Chippewa Indians).  Please view it and see there is no known phone number for a Mrs. Penny Hoffland in the current 2010-2011 telephone book (as noted on the other photograph of the current phonebook).  Mr. Lucas Hoffland is listed although (not sure if the number is a working number or not since I didn't attempt to find out).  I blacked it out since he is NOT the person that this thread is about in the event his number is a working number.  No need for your idiots to harrass a person that is not the subject of this thread.  If you idiots want to look-up his number then you do so at your own risk and are subjected to state law covering harrassment or federal law involving telecommunications (interstate) law.

The second photo is the direct copy of from the State of Wisconsin circuit court website (open records law) that shows a Mrs. Penny Hoffland has no past criminal charges or civil issues ever in her life time.  Included on in the open records site would be divorces, name changes, being sued and/or judgements in civil court, traffic citations, all criminal filings and/or charges.  So before you go off half-cocked here, Wisconsin law is very liberal here and anything time you interact with a law enforcement officer in the state, it would be listed here. 

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You have been showed various pictures of her existence as well as her lies , her Bulletin is posted here. That's the issue, her slander about about convicted child abuse, a serious subject. 

Penny is alive and well.

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Still laughing here also...using that site to locate folks is pointless.  Hell if I look up myself right now it will still show that I lived in Minnesota and I moved from there in June 1996 to go and work as an medic in the 1996 summer olympics in Atlanta, GA.  That site is so outdated is laughable...and then anyone can enter the site and change their address to anything that they wish too.  To use such unreliable information at that site is a joke and those that claim it to be the gospel truth are suckers on the end of my fishing line;

and lastly sugarcube:  NO ONE CARES DUDE....GET OVER YOUR SELF

What think your the only person that can read?  I saw that it was a different screen name retard.  So what is all the sudden interest in defending this person from Norway anyway; haven't you seen his own "other" posting on the web about being scammed by a telemarketer (assuming from Russia or Africa?).  You think this guy is the brightest lightbulb in the package when it comes to this old scam? 

Honey, this twit clearly is looking for problems and issues...he craves the attention and guessing he has some mental health disorder when it comes to this "need" for attention.  Most folks and assuming you also here, know that posting personal information on the web is opening oneself to possible fraud but this guy literally craves it.  He is an attention seeker is all he is...if you don't believe me do a google search on his name and see what other scams this guy is complaining about or takes great pleasure in bragging about before you defend him.

As for defending this lady...I didn't defend her ever.  I don't know her nor do I care too.  Like I said before I can not locate her at all and after calling WEAU-13 Friday there have no record of her now either since her husband passed way.  So beating this drum about what maybe a dead person is really getting old fast.  This site is to post rip-off reports...not beat a thread into the ground.  Post a report, offer rebuttles for a few weeks then let it drop is the normal way to handle things, not beat the thread into the recordbooks.  Which trust me you all have a long time to go there on that one.  A poster named "Charles" has that record for over 300 posts on this site.

Richard Norton did not write the last rebuttal, I did.  I am a female. 

I am assuming now you barely read what is written, you just knee jerk.  Richard Norton lives in Norway DUDE.  They don't publish names on line. 

Little Penny accused him of something she had no knowledge of. 

Take your own advice and butt out. Penny Hoffland deserves to have her nasty lying bulletin exposed for what is and what she is.

If you wonder why I am involved, just go back and read what I just wrote.

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Since your Mr. Know-it-all here I would assume that you know that any charged crime (being accused but not found guilty of) will also be found on the state circuit court access site retard.  So lets say you were charged of being a retard (yes, I leveled that at you pumpkin)...then if you would look up your name, you would see that you were charged but never convicted.  Also burnt out lightbulb, any traffic citation also is listed there.  So we are to believe that she never was stopped for even the most simplest traffic citation too?  Wow you are dumber than a brick (something my mother would say).  Also I told you my first "real" name so but if you would like to think I am someone else, then by all means name-call me all you like baby.  So in closing darling, my comment to you is this:

NO ONE CARES DUDE....GET OVER YOUR SELF

I hate to believe this, it is very sad when mental illness runs in the family.  It's hard to believe also because I though Lucas was at least educated well and all his postings are embarassingly not educated responses. 

Misspellings, leaps from one subject to another, does not read well or with consideration, ignoring all document facts, apparently never checking and info given.

Running a criminal check on someone brings up people who have comment crimes and  been caught and convicted.  NO ONE ever said Penny Hoffland was convicted of a crime.  Personally calling someone you don't know a convicted child abuser and sending that lie to over 60 people SHOULD be charged, but doing that from another continent is almost impossible.

Penny is clearly alive, she's on Amazon.com as a reviewer DUDE.

Posted here are images from her YouTube channel that stated she was from Eau de whatever.  

Disco/Luke, a person who has written over and over to someone they don't know, about someone they claim to not know has to have some obsession problems, even with nothing better to do, all your illogical writings and threats, show mental weakness. 

I believe John Hoffland was a good journalist and I believe Penny was a burden to him. He was loyal to her and if he ever knew what she was doing on Youtube he would have been humiliated and upset.  Then she started posting as him.  Very sad. She wrote the same crazy way as she did as Pennymusicmama on YouTube, sullying his name. A very disturbed woman.

I am sorry she could not be held accountable for weakness of spirit and mind in calling Richard Norton a convicted child abuser, based on the say-so of a woman from Ontario Canada, who she never knew outside of Youtube. A woman who had a crush on Richard and went nuts when he only wanted to be friends. A woman with criminal tendenacies, who I personally have two police reports open on her, one in my county in the states and one with the police in her town, because of her illegal actions against me.

NO ONE CARES DUDE....GET OVER YOUR SELF

Penny usually uses the name Penny E. Hoffland but also uses the following: Penny L Engrav-Hoffland, Penny Engrav-Hoffland Penny Lynn Engrav, Penny Lynn Hoffland, pennymusicMAma. Engrav is her maiden name and is occasionally spelled Enggrav.

This anonymous coward Disco Queen seems to suffer from very similar behavioral problems as Penny. Apparently he can't remember that has indeed used the word "mammals". Perhaps doing a search of the text of this report?

If anyone reading this knows anything about this anonymous coward Disco Queen is please contact me. I will publish!

Below is a screenshot of what Penny Hoffland published on a YouTube channel. She refers to a legitimate group investigating me! Penny Hoffland claims this "group" gave her information about a woman I was dating in Denmark. She later claimed this group was her husband the late John Hoffland news director at a Wisconsin TV station WEAU-TV. She begins with an apology explaining she was blocked from publishing her slander and libel about me on other YouTube channels.

Penny Hoffland writes:

"Sorry, Neil , but I was sent? here blocked from all the others , Informatiion by a legimate grou- that has
been investigating RICHARD NORTON & his cohorts. I was given Henrilk's address, phone@ & emails of Henrik & Signe of Denmark. If you want it PM me."       

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NO ONE CARES DUDE....GET OVER YOUR SELF

Really dude...if you are going to put words into my mouth at least make sure that they are the exact words of what I posted earlier to which others can cross-check.

1).  You said, "Disco Queen claims he does not know Penny Hoffland, is not related to her (other than they are both mammals)..."  What I said on Aug 30th, " have no relations with the lady in question minus that we are ALL human living on this planet at the same time period traveling thru this galaxy at the same time."  Never did I use the word "mammals" in my post or any other post there after.

2).  You said, "after an extensive search of old Eau Claire telephone catalogues he doubts this person even exists."  What I said again on July 28th, "second of all I am not related to these folks other than knowing the ex-husband of Mrs. Hoffland from seeing him on WEAU-13 television when I happened to be watching...I just pointed out the facts of a simple criminal backround check and looking up Mrs. Penny Hoffland via the local telephone book (2011 version).  If you do not like the results of what I had found or the lack of such, that is clearly your problem."  You clearly didn't understand this post when I said I used the 2011 local phone book and did not find this person in the directory.  And when I went into the state criminal data files (open records), this same person did not have any criminal/civil record either.  Which means two things and please get this thru your head...THIS PERSON IS EITHER DEAD (reason why there is no criminal/civil record) OR DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANY LONGER/HAS NO CRIMINAL/CIVIL RECORD.  I sure hope this cleared this up.

3)  You said, "In spite of this he on behalf ofthis "non-existent" writes August 30, 2011, that he has "sent a request to immediatly terminate any all all ability to access and/or post via this site sir due to TOS violations and also violations on behalf of Mrs. Penny Hoffland under Wisconsin.

harrassment/stalking laws."  What you don't see is numerous email exchanges with the site owner about this thread but here is a small bit of the first email exchange that I received from the site owner:

"That is a long report . no time to read it.  What is the rebuttal # .. how many down.  What are the exact words I am looking for copy and paste the paragraph into this email so I can see it. - Ed"  The remaining emails are private and not of your concern but rest assured I have brought forth your problems to the site owner.

4).  You said, "He then threatens me with "heavy prison time" if I don't drop the issue immediately!"  What I said on Aug 30th, "And lastly, I will put this here as a warning...if you EVER threaten me or post my full name, address, phone number and/or any other vital information about me...I will have you hauled into a U.S. courtroom so quickly (Whitehall, WI if you want to see the county seat/courthouse) that it will make your head spin off somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean.  I will sue for punitive and compensatory damages and anything else that I can take within the U.S. legal system for illegally posting information without the express, written permission of me.  I HOPE I MADE MYSELF EXTREMELY CLEAR HERE!  IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT I HAD POSTED HERE IN BULLET NUMBER 8, I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT YOU SEEK THE PROFESSIONAL ADVISE OF A LICENSED, PRACTICING WISCONSIN ATTORNEY....AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR COUNTRY WILL BE NO HELP TO YOU WHEN I SUE YOU.  DO WE HAVE A ---CLEAR---UNDERSTAND SIR???" to your threating to seek out and post my private contact information here which is a violation of state law and is harrassment...Aug 31th you wrote..."Disco Queen / Benn / whatever your name is - If I ever do learn your identity you can rest assured I DEFEINITELY will publish!  That's a promise! I do not take kindly to childish threats from anonymous cowards."  This is by defination of WI state law harrassment which is a class H felony.  You posted that you are attempting to locate and harrass me via the internet, telecommunications and/or U.S. mail...you wrote it, not me.

5).  You wrote, "He then threatens me with "heavy prison time" if I don't drop the issue immediately!"  What I wrote on Aug 30th, "You sir need to drop this issue immediately since you are facing heavy prison time here if you continue and Mrs. Hoffland decides to file a criminal complaint against you."  Never did I threaten you with heavy prison time...you need to read what I said and in what context.

6)  You wrote, "Disco Queen certainly is willing to do a lot of work for a person he does not even think exists."  What I said earlier and I will paraphrase it for you....I assume she existed since I can see her late husband's death notice here on the web and the television website archieves.  It clearly states that this person you are complaining about was his wife...so by this she exists. 

7).  You wrote, "She has also published contact details (i.e. Name, address, boyfriends telephone nr ) of a Danish woman was allegedly having an affair with..."  I am not sure if I want to touch this, but why not...lol.  The way you posted this sentence it makes it appear that you were dating or having an affair with a sexual deviant.  While I don't care what your sexual life is (that is your issue and problem and really no one else cares)...but you make it appear that you dated a lady that was a "working lady of the night" to put it polietly here.  "boyfriend's telephone nr"  really how could you date/have an affair with someone that is clearly having sex with multiple partners.  Do you know the fact that you could get some disease that you may not be able to get rid of?  I mean that is just sick dude.  Seriously if I were you I would go and see a physician right away and get screened for HIV and if needed start the drug therapy so as not to shorten your life in anyway.

8).  You wrote, "As if a prominent news director at a Wisconsin TV station would be interested in investigating a child abuse case in Norway or an illicit affair with a Danish women!"  Really?  you really believe this?  (Throws up my unbaited fishing line to see what "suckers" I can catch today).  Also have "hot" real estate "ocean front property in Arizonia that I would love to see you too for near cost buddy.  LOL.   Like the old saying goes...there is a sucker born every minute and I think we found who that was when you were born.  LOL

9).  As for your last half of the last paragraph there sir...I am not defending her actions since it maybe true...what I have been trying to get thru your fat skull was this (and maybe this will work this time, lets hope so anyway).

a.  this is just water under the bridge...in no way have you been harms other then by responding to this creating childish attempt to get your "goat".  A normal person would have warned the person and then ignored it.  If it continued then a reasonable person would have sought the assistance of the local law enforcement agency for assistance in stopping this unwanted behavior.  Clearly you never did that or you would have said so by now. 

b.  you clearly are stirring up your own emotions by not allowing this to drop and let it go.  By googling a search on your name, we find numerous other times you have egged on others to harrass you or continue to attempt to defraud you.  A normal person would have never allowed this to have taken place after the first time as they would have learned not to allow or act on this behavior continually.

c.  you clearly are unable to understand anything that I have posted here and before which means you are not of sound mind.  If anything of sub-standard intelligence since I can not understand why you would continually allow this and other "scams" to rule your life as evident via a google search. 

And for the last part...most everyone knows that the web is a dangerous place and that posting vital information about oneself will potentially create issues for them in the further.  Via identity theft, fraud, harrassment, etc.  So a "normal" person takes reasonable steps to prevent that from happening.  The owner of this site also has safe guards here in place to prevent such vital information from being leaked out to the public.  So your asking for my information is both invain and childish.  And if you would be able to get my vital information, I will seek immediate relief as allowed via this site and the laws of Arizonia and my home state of Wisconsin.  Try me buddy and I will ensure that you will not like it.  Take that as a threat if you like...I am calling it a promise to defend my legal rights per state and federal law in the United States.

Disco Queen claims he does not know Penny Hoffland, is not related to her (other than they are both mammals) and after an extensive search of old Eau Claire telephone catalogues he doubts this person even exists. In spite of this he on behalf of
this "non-existent" writes August 30, 2011, that he has "sent a request to immediatly terminate any all all ability to access and/or post via this site sir due to TOS violations and also violations on behalf of Mrs. Penny Hoffland under Wisconsin
harrassment/stalking laws."

He then threatens me with "heavy prison time" if I don't drop the issue immediately!

Disco Queen certainly is willing to do a lot of work for a person he does not even think exists.

This wretched woman, Penny Hoffland, has falsely accused me of being a convicted child abuser. She has also published contact details (i.e. Name, address, boyfriends telephone nr ) of a Danish woman I was allegedly having an affair with. She has attempted to give her malicious libel credibility by using her news director husbands YouTube (John Hoffland) account to publish insults and libel. As if a prominent news director at a Wisconsin TV station would be interested in investigating a child abuse case in Norway or an illicit affair with a Danish women! Penny Hoffland has published malicious libel as recently as January 2011. I have published using my correct name Richard Norton! This anonymous coward Disco Queen individual is trying to defend Penny E. Hoffland by discrediting me, insults, lies and childish threats about lawsuits. If anyone has any information about the identity of this anonymous coward "Disco Queen" please contact me. 

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NO ONE CARES DUDE....GET OVER YOUR SELF

Notice that Disco Queen never addresses any of his serious mistakes I point out. For example his false claim that Penny E. Hoffland aka pennymusicMAma has not published malicious comments since 4 years ago. His response, writen in capitals is just "NO ONE CARES." This anonymous coward cares very much! Why else would he write, to date, a total of 13 rebuttals? Many of these rebuttals are several pages long and contain everything ranging from threats of legal action and years in prison, insults, heavily biased jurisprudential deliberations to desperate pleading to drop the matter or should say "case".

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You know I can do this as long as you want me too...

NO ONE CARES DUDE....GET OVER YOUR SELF

I am so glad Disco Queen is on the opposition. He is certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer. He writes one hell of a lot and talks like a jailhouse lawyer but does not read very thoroughly or seem to know the case. He writes in capital letters shouting that Penny E. Hoffland has not posted any comments since 4 years ago and "SHE IS NOT HARRASSING YOU ANY LONGER." The last comment Penny has posted (that I have knowledge of) was posted January 21 this year 2011. Perhaps there are even more recent malicious comments.

I do not believe you have "experience and training in law enforcement" other than perhaps as a trusty washing toilets at the city jail.

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IN THE EVENT YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND AMERICAN ENGLISH.....

NO ONE CARES!!!!

AGAIN  IN CASE YOU COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE TITLE, NO ONE CARES.  GET OVER YOURSELF WOULD YA.  THIS WAS ALL OVER FOUR YEARS AGO WITH NO FURTHER COMMENT SINCE THEN.  SHE IS NOT HARRASSING YOU ANY LONGER.  YOU ARE ALLOWING YOURSELF TO HARM YOURSELF NOW.  GET OVER IT....NO ONE CARES.

Here are some examples of Penny E. Hoffland aka Penny Lynn Hoffland, pennymusicMAma, Penny Enggrav using her husband's YouTube channel, http://www.youtube.com/johnhoffland, to post criminal libel about Richard Norton. Her husband, John Hoffland, was a prominent and highly respected News Director at a Wisconsin TV station WEAU who had received awards for outstanding service to broadcast journalism. It is unthinkable that he had any knowledge of
Penny's using his name to try to give credibility to her malicious libel. Even a mediocre journalist would be shocked and appalled.
 
John Hoffland died of a heart attack July 4, 2009. John Hoffland's name, career and everything he stood for was being misused in this horrific manner by his wife. Gaining knowledge about how his own wife was exploiting him could certainly shock a person enough to cause a heart attack.

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I just did a google on your name and have found numerous hits on you and as good as that sounds, well its not.  It appears that you have nothing better to do then to waste your own time with folks that are out their pray on the low-income, disabilied and elderly. 

There is posting about you talking to some online scammering about your computer, one about on-line "female" dating, others harrassing you and the well...the list goes on.  I will let the reader of this posting do their own google search of your name and see for themselves.

It appears that you have brought on your own set of problems due to your own immature, self-rightous or pathedic acts of trolling the web and making unnecessary contacts out there.  To which again proves why for a majority of web users don't post our complete or accurate names.  So we don't have the same issues or problems that clearly you are having. 

So to why you are having such issues with Mrs. Hoffland, well again I can not make complete judgement due to the unability to verify such claims myself via the web (not something you have shown me, but something that I can view directly).  (grabs my head since somehow I feel I have yet to help you understand what I am trying to say here).



You can not cut and paste what someone said into your website (whatever) and claim this is the proof or "smoking gun".  No court would allow this as evidence since there is no way to cross-examine the validity of the type as full and truthful.  The full and truthful would be the exact type and post in the original location or a screen shot of the site itself...(but the later is being highly contested in the courts now due to software editing software out there now days).  Either way less one can do to lets say view and visit Mrs. Hoffland's website directly and see the posting directly, the claims of libel are most hardly baseless.



Or lets try this on for size since this will work better.  You have already claimed that if you are able to figure out my real name, address, phone number and whatever else you can obtain about me...you claimed you will post such information on this site immediately.  And since this site states that minus some illegal postings which are covered under U.S. law (ex: posting ones social security numbers, federal military enlistment number, medical health information, financial sensitive information) which would be deleted by the website immediately due to federal law banning such information being posted.  I would have a direct proof that anyone could view at anytime with out being able to edit of libel posting.  A court would accept such information and depending on the gravity of the case, would allow or deny my case.  If this site was different, meaning the information was deletable or changable then the game would have been totally different outcome.



Sorry I got off course there...but the end fact is sir, I don't play your game(s).  I know the predators on the web are lookin for foolish, disabled and/or the eldery to feed on with their scams to which you seem to be an easy victim of such (clearly by your own Myspace account posting for starter) and the countless other google hits that I saw.  So you can just continue on with your childish, feeble-minded games you seem to be doing....it seems to be working so good for you know anyway and I will just push off and go back to my normal, well boring life I have.



As for caring about this thread anyway...naw.  I am done with it...I have said my peace and my point here and have no desire to get pulled down into your level here.  Clearly something you are lookin to do...find someone else since I ain't interested. 

First, I did not assume you and Vinny were the same person.



Second, I have experience and training in law enforcement here in the State of Wisconsin



Thirdly, I am not in any way or fashion related to the party you have mentioned



Fourth, I have extensive years of legal experience both due to my job and having assisted two of my close personal friends as attorneys in case law research



Fifth, again my name is still Benn.  You can call me whatever you like and such if it make you feel better.  You can associate me to this other party if it again makes you feel like a bigger man and all.  But the truth is in the end I am again in no way related to any person that you claim I may be related to as per your prior posts.



Sixth, you post my personal (private) information you are in violation of state law and I will seek immediate relief via this site and those the legal system as allowed by law.  That is a fact you CAN count on sir. 







You may be able to bully some folks in your life via the web and well...maybe in person there in Norway but this is one person that will not play by your terms.  So if you wish to play ball, all I can say is just be prepared to play the game all the way to the end.



Now with that said, have a great day with whatever you do for a living.  I have much better things to do with my life then to deal with some on-line bully that wishes to play cybergames.

This Disco Queen is quite a character. I have been traveling in China and then Germany and have been too busy to do other than read his entertaining Philadelphia lawyer "cop talk". He writes like a jail house lawyer that has been to the prison library every Sunday for a whole week. 
He allegedly has no relation to Penny E. Hoffland and was just surfing around and stumbled upon this report about Penny.
For no particular reason other than a lot of spare time he took the bother to study the 2011 telephone book for Eau Claire and even the old phone book from 2009. For no particular reason he took the bother to check the past/current criminal/civil records at the Wisconsin Circuit Court Access website. He took the bother to search high and low on google and YouTube. No stone was left unturned. His conclusion after this substantial effort:


"I clearly don't think this person exists"


Disco Queen then proceeds to warn and threaten about the terrible legal harm this nonexistent person can do. I have never done a criminal background check on Penny E. Hoffland. I live in Norway and have no interest in her criminal background and her disputes with her neighbors. FYI I called the number given in the report and it is without doubt Penny E. Hoffland aka Penny Lynn Hoffland, pennymusicMAma, Penny Enggrav. I tried to talk to her and she was completely out of control - a raving maniac. (Btw you do seem to have some familiarity/experience with courts, lawyers etc. What sort of impression would Penny present in a court? Would her lawyer be able to restrain her? lol)


Disco Queen seems to be rather confused and has trouble arguing in a consistent manner. For
example he writes:


"Dude I don't care about your issue with said named person that you claimed has slandered or libeled you; that is your problem and only your problem."


Then he turns right around and begs, pleads, warns and threatens:


"Now please give it a rest would you?"
"Dude, let this post go"
"You sir need to drop this issue immediately since you are facing heavy prison time"


He even threatens the owners of ripoffreport!: Apparently Disco Queen feels that not complying with his demands  "places the owners of this site (ripoffreport) in legal harm of allowing such to take place..."


He does not seem to differentiate between me and Venniey. He sometimes refers to Venniey as "sir", "Dude", "Vinny" and "honey". This along with misspelling and capitals is conspicuously similar to penny's wacky postings on YouTube. Such problems can run in the family which makes me think he is related. I, like Venniey, have wondered if Disco Queen is Penny's son Lukas. My impression of Lukas is he is a bit more intelligent that Disco Queen.


He claims his first name is "Benn". Benny J Hoffland?Disco Queen threatens me with the following:


"8)  And lastly, I will put this here as a warning...if you EVER threaten me or post my full name, address, phone number and/or any other vital information about me...I will have you hauled into a U.S.
courtroom so quickly (Whitehall, WI if you want to see the county seat/courthouse) that it will make your head spin off somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean.  I will sue for punitive and compensatory damages and anything else that I can take ..." Blab blab blab.


Disco Queen / Benn / whatever your name is - If I ever do learn your identity you can rest assured I DEFEINITELY will publish!  That's a promise! I do not take kindly to childish threats from anonymous cowards.


Richard Norton 

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Documentation of bulletins posted by Penny Hoffland

Like I said...I am not related to this person nor her family less you count everyone in the City of Eau Claire, WI (which is well over 90k), the entire Eau Claire County and since I don't live in either...the county of Trempealeau then sure...I guess I am some how related.  But then so are you...since you must be related to me then and Mr. Norton too right?   See at this point with this reasoning it becomes laughable.  While I think the name Luke is a nice name, that still does not change the fact that my name is still "Benn"  not short for Benjamin...but straight out "Benn".  And if you are attempting to goat me into saying my last name so you and who ever else can stalk or harrass me via the web...well you need to wake up atleast 10 mins sooner then me to get me to say that. 

Having worked in law enforcement in the past, I understand how folks with weak or distrubed mental health issues would abuse such information to further some hidden agenda. 

As for the past behavior and/or actions of Mrs. Hoffland I can not verify and not disputing but since there is clearly a lack of solid information minus Mr. Norton's copies...a reasonable person would find Mr. Norton to be mentally distrubed at this point.  Does it make her past actions less important?  no, but since Mrs. Hoffland has clearly stopped or limited her on-line behavior direct and/or indirect toward Mr. Norton it would be in the best interests of Mr. Norton to just drop this issue and let it be a learning experience on who he communicates with on-line and who he shares any vital information with.  To continue with this behavior is a clear violation of Wisconsin state criminal code 940.32 and 940.13 and is punishable and is clearly a violation of TOS of this site to which I asked the owner of this site to close this thread or atleast close the author's ability to post due to such violations. 

While I am all for this site and its purpose...this site is not a platform to harrass or stalk citizens anywhere in the world.  Doing so places the owners of this site in legal harm of allowing such to take place including the author and anyone else that promotes and aids in illegal activity.

If you have any questions, I strongly suggest speaking with an attorney or your local law enforcement agency and he/she would be glad to explain the law to you and my points here.

No one is stalking Penny. Indeed what she did was accuse Richard Norton of Child Abuse.  She lives in Wisconsin and had not contact with Richard in Norway, other than watching his cat videos.  She had some sort of Paranoid Episode and started becoming very abusive on the video comments. 

Numerous people on YOuTube   tried to talk her down from her frenzy but she was beyond reasoning with. After an unscrupulous woman took advantage of Penny's mental state and told her lies about Richard, including that he was a convicted child abuser, Penny sent out a Bulletin to 60 people on YOuTUbe stating that horrid lie. 

That sort of slander CAN get one sued quite easily.  Of course it's hard to do across International Borders.  So your mother commited an illegal act, based on a lie.  Richard has never been accused in any way of Child Abuse, much less convicted.  Vicious lies.   She's lucky that Richard is not in the states, she would have to answer for her hateful and untruthful  slander to the police, lawyers the court.

I sent a request to immediatly terminate any all all ability to access and/or post via this site sir due to TOS violations and also violations on behalf of Mrs. Penny Hoffland under Wisconsin harrassment/stalking laws.

http://www.doj.state.wi.us/cvs/stalking/wcadvdoc.pdf

You sir need to drop this issue immediately since you are facing heavy prison time here if you continue and Mrs. Hoffland decides to file a criminal complaint against you.  Points of interest I would like you to understand:

"...in addition to causing fear of bodily harm or death, if the stalker causes the victim to suffer serious emotional distress....distress means to feel terrified, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or tomented." 

"A person stalks a victim in Wisconsin when s/he engages in a "course of conduct" that causes the victim to experience serious emotional distress or to fear bodily injury or death of her/himself, to a family member, or to a member of his/her household.  (You clearly believe that I am her son "Luke" so legally this "course of conduct".

"Photographing, videotaping, audiotaping, or, by other electronic means, monitoring/recording the victim's activities, regardless of where the monitoring takes place.  (Again you have proven this fact numerous time and being in Europe due not dimish this point per state law).

" If the stalker "gained access or caused another person to gain access to a record in electronic formate that contains personally identifiable information regarding the victim, stalking is a Class H felony."

"Class H felony: A total sentence not to exceed six years, a period of incarceration not to exceed three years, and extended supervision not to exceed three years."

This is all criminal...not to mention the civil aspect that Mrs. Hoffland could take would be possible also.  Again the U.S. and the European Union has agreements to transfer citizens to each others judistications for trial/prosecution.  Are you willing to risk everything you own and/or will own for this?  The costs to hire and maintain a Wisconsin attorney would most likely sink you let alone the travel costs.  And since there would be a warrant for your arrest issued...as soon as you come thru immigration line you would be immediately arrested creating more embarrassment for yourself let alone if you were traveling with someone.

Think about it...don't you think its time to drop this entire five year old game on ALL sites?  or do you want to be on the wrong side of the U.S. legal system?

My fault for not reading your latest "whin posting" first before replying. 

1)  I have no relations with the lady in question minus that we are ALL human living on this planet at the same time period traveling thru this galaxy at the same time.

2)  My name is Benn (note the two n's honey)...my mother named me that way after some famous painter on her side of the family from Germany.

3)  You claiming that I am related to her or her family and/or extended family is like saying your related to the cattle you tend too.  Sure they are mammals but in no way are you related to them.

4)  As for being a retard to internet searches...you have only posted third-party links or links that you created that claim illegal activity on the part of her.  You clearly have a limited mindset of the U.S. law don't you?

Second-hand information also known as hear-say evidence has nearly no legal standing in a courtroom anywhere in the U.S.  Evidence which is transposed into a new formate is automatically throw-out since the court can not ensure the evidence was not altered or manipulated in any form. 

So honey, you have no proof period....all you have ever posted via web-links is copies of what you have created that per you anyway...of what she said or has written.  You have no solid evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt (51%) in a civil trial or a preopnderance of evidence (greater than 75%) in a criminal trial that anything she said or did was real or her doing. 

All I see is a 5-year old child in a grown man's body crying and not letting this whole issue drop.

5)  "You are apparrently ignorant of computer searches.  Penny Hoffland...  She actually was posting as John Hofflan after his death."  Dear sir....you clearly have no clue what you are typing at this point or are truly mentally incapable of understanding spelling.  Per your own posting honey...these would make this people unrelated minus BEING HUMAN, ON THIS PLANET AT THE SAME TIME IN A GALAXY WE ALL CALL THE MILKY WAY. 

6)  Per the Wisconsin Circuit Court Access website (CCAP) which honey you clearly have no idea how to use or even up to this point didn't even know it existed...when I run both spellings (Hoffland and Hofflan) again I come up with no civil or criminal records (which include the filing of but dismissing prior to a case being heard).

7)  I googled the name AGAIN...and read EVERYTHING and again all I see is outdated, second if not third hand information posted.  The newest information was from back in 2008.  At this point really dude?  I mean come on...its been four years now and you are still beating this into the ground?  WOW, I guess I now know how to get your goat....LOL.

8)  And lastly, I will put this here as a warning...if you EVER threaten me or post my full name, address, phone number and/or any other vital information about me...I will have you hauled into a U.S. courtroom so quickly (Whitehall, WI if you want to see the county seat/courthouse) that it will make your head spin off somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean.  I will sue for punitive and compensatory damages and anything else that I can take within the U.S. legal system for illegally posting information without the express, written permission of me.  I HOPE I MADE MYSELF EXTREMELY CLEAR HERE!  IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT I HAD POSTED HERE IN BULLET NUMBER 8, I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT YOU SEEK THE PROFESSIONAL ADVISE OF A LICENSED, PRACTICING WISCONSIN ATTORNEY....AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR COUNTRY WILL BE NO HELP TO YOU WHEN I SUE YOU.  DO WE HAVE A ---CLEAR---UNDERSTAND SIR???

You have successfullly p-ed me off and I am the last person that I am assuming you wish to have on your bad side sir.  Now drop this thread now is my last suggestion.

Dude, let this post go....she is no threat to you and the only threat that she may pose is the emotional/physical turmoil that you keep putting yourself thru but hounding this to death.  You have beating the drum more than enough about this issue...I think everyone got it now.  MOVE ON ALREADY.  If you can't I strongly suggest locating a mental health-care professional and scheduling an appointment with them as soon as possible. 

If you want to run this thread into the ground then by all means honey, bring it on...(and yes I am a guy)...I personally have issues with you now and your whinning like a 5-year old child that had his favorite toy taken away as punishment for doing wrong.  

Also asking the site managment to terminate your thread due to TOS violations of "beating a thread into the ground".

You are apparrently ignorant of computer searches. 
Penny Hoffland made statements about Richard Norton being a convicted child abuser. She did this because her mind is too weak to comprehend what Sherri Amirault/Amero was doing, lying about
Richard to gulliable souls so they would do her bidding.

Your mother was one of those people.  You need to seek help for her. Seriously.

There was no abuse, no conviction as there was no charges. A trouble teenager stricks out at his father, his father told him to walk to his grandfathers, right down the road, then Richard called the police to alert them to what had occurred.

His son and Richard are FINE.... years after this occurred.

She actually was posting as John Hofflan after his death. This is a disturbed woman. Did you READ her comments? 

Sorry for a mistype of anyone's name here...but I have double checked the local phone book (hard copy)...no person found.  I have run a check via ccap (WI circuit court access) site...no criminal nor civil action on either party found (meaning her or you).  As for youtube...again nothing found except your very outdated posting alleging alligations of libel against you via the web...again less you can prove that they were done with malace or intent to defraud you...you are out of luck.  The U.S. constitution here clearly says that every citizen has the right to freedom of speech and press.  Less what is said is with malace, an attempt to incite violence, deflamation of character that was known by the person that said or posted such as false and/or was posted/said to incite violence...you have no legal basis to win if you attempt a civil matter in the local courts here (which is Eau Claire County, WI). 

Either way...if you feel it has grown to a level that needs to be taken to court...think about this:  You will need to retain an attorney that is licensed to practice law in the State of Wisconsin.  You will need to furnish orginial copies of all emails, web postings, phone calls and mail...not copies of what has be reposted via another webpage or made into a video.  These second hand screen shots would be thrown out in a court case since there is no way to ensure the original text was not altered in any form.  You would need to fly to Eau Claire and made available for depositions by the defendent's attorney and also make available all evidence you have within a timely matter and also would have to fly to Eau Claire, WI for any and all civil trial date(s). 

The costs of all of this would be very high and since you are out of country, you would most likely have to pay upfront since you would have a hard time locating an attorney willing to take your case on pro bono or take a percentage of the judgement if you win.

Also due to the other parties age even if you did win a judgement you would need to then take more legal time and expenses to force the judgement to be collected on.  That is if she didn't file bankruptcy which your judgement would then be void and you end up paying your attorney's fees and all expenses.  Due to her age I would most likely guess she would be limited on assets too and social security income and most retirement income is barred from collections. 

So think hard and fast about your claim before you seek legal compensation. 

Then also while you are thinking...be warned that she can file at anytime a civil case against you for the same.  A supena will be issued for you and sent via Interpol and if you fail to reply to the hearing date(s) a default judgement will be entered against you in the amount that she is requesting.  Again any assets you hold will be seized (via the internet if you bank or use a U.S. website), any funds that the government has access to seize thru treaties or agreement(s) and if need be forced via the U.S. government onto England to enforce a court decree (as spelled out in treatee or agreement(s). 

Personally if I were you, I would drop your issue fast and just ignore this person...words are like belly buttons...we all have one and they have no use for anything.  Just move on...your an adult so start acting like one. 

I am done talking to you now...so reply please...I don't care what you will have to say less its libel toward me and then which time I will "again" contact the adminstrators of this site and "again" ask them to terminate another user for terms of use violations.  You aren't the first person that I had banned and sadly I know you won't be the last...lets not force me there...ok?

In your report above you write the name Hoffman, it is Hoffland.  Try searching the Internet for Penny Hoffland and see what comes up. It seems apparent you have not done so.  Why not?

Your concern that you feel protective about Your Area, thinking that no emotionally disturbed people live there is odd.  Disturbed people live in all areas.

You have claimed you did a criminal search on Penny and got no hits. Who ever said she had a criminal record?  She has claimed that erroneously about me and Richard Norton. She published a bulletin to 60 people saying he was a convicted child abuser.  If Richard lived in the States,  she would be sued for libel and he would win. 

Can't figure out what your obsession is with this report, particularly since you claim not to know her. 

It is odd that in your spirited rebuttal to the report on Penny Hoffland that you misspell Hoffland ,  typing Hoffman . Also odd is you refer to underwear  "" If I had gotten my underwear all noted up (such as you are doing)..."" 
The fact that you do not know how KNOTTED is spelled makes me wonder indeed who you are. 

Referencing "childhood bullies" seems out of context. This is not childhood bullying that she did.

Here's hoping that Richard can successfully deal with the criminal libel Penny published about him.

1.  Dude I don't care about your issue with said named person that you claimed has slandered or libeled you; that is your problem and only your problem.



2.  You clearly do not understand simple law terms so here is a quick Intro to Criminal Justice course...Slander (noun)  in the meaning of law enforcement means defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc.  Libel (noun)  in the meaning of law enforcement means a. defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures. b. the act or crime of publishing it. c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.  



3. Terms of Service: 

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(yes, posts can be removed if they violate the terms of service less you do not understand this section then please take a moment and reread the terms of service per the State of Arizona laws which govern this website and its contents.)



4.  John Hoffman per youtube is a christian author...I see nothing on any youtube site about her or you for that matter.  The only thing I could find on youtube was your video of the past incidents which even in your video was at best 2008 entries.  If there was stuff later your video is lacking such evidence.  I found nothing from Penny Hoffman on youtube either.



5.  "...states her town as  Eau Claire, WI USA.  Amazon may be more than 16 miles from Eau Claire, WI, but Penny entered that information herself."  This makes no sense at all...I live 16 miles south of Eau Claire...I have no clue what Amazon's main office (Seattle, Washington) has anything to do with this post.



6.  I have no interest in this from a stand point legally, socially or financially...but I have an interest in when it appears that folks are out of line and making it appear that the residents of my hometown are mental or criminal tilted.



7.  In your own words about Penny having had used John's youtube account, you posted that the usage was past tense.  Meaning it was in the past and not current...so why are you still living in the past and complaining about something that happened "clearly per your own words" in the past?



And finally you have no current proof that she is still engaging in criminal libel posts or have harmed you in any direct way other then words on a few past social sites.  If I had gotten my underwear all noted up (such as you are doing)...then I would still be lamating over my childhood bullys instead of forgiving them and moving on with my life.  Something that I suggest you do too.  Now please give it a rest would you?

Please reread my earlier post. If you do not believe me, search the Internet for yourself and you will find, as i did, Penny E. Hoffland explaining that E. is the first initial of her maiden name and why she often uses E as her middle name, the key of E, as in Music.  

You can see for yourself her pictures she has posted on Amazon.com as a reviewer, where she calls herself Penny E. Hoffland and states her town as  Eau Claire, WI USA.  Amazon may be more than 16 miles from Eau Claire, WI, but Penny entered that information herself

I guess you think a Criminal check is better than what Penny Hoffland posted herself?  
Not sure what your part in this is but you are involving yourself in a situation where this woman was committed criminal Slander.  Accusing a person of child abuse and sending that accusation to 60 people in a public forum could very well be prosecuted.  Penny Hoofland's is not right in her mind. It is hard for to separate fact from fiction and seemed very far from emotionally and mentally sane in her writing on YouTube.  Thankfully she closed her account. 

I can tell you she was using Johnhoffland's YouTube channel and using his YouTube name, made several comments on YouTube, some after John Hoffland's death.  Here are two examples, you decide if a journalist of his character could or would write like this???

 From JohnHoffland:    (3 months ago) AND Penny & others, Abusing, Harassing, Copyright Violations,Threats to her home on phone from his Norwegian #,Character Defamation, Slander, Hurting her Friends/Subscribers. How do I know? I have been investigating by News & Law, Norton a long? time . Confirmation by several Norwegian & U.S. sources of his Crimes   


From JohnHoffland: (3 months ago)Excuse me. I have never seen nor commented upon the video to? which you refer.LIAR! I stay away from Norton. He Staulks me.

Penny is disturbed. She is still posting hateful lies on the Internet. 
As for your posturing Disco Queen, seems like you do not understand RippedOffReport. You can not get these reports removed.  
Better that you remove yourself from something you obviously have no knowledge of.

First of all I have lived in the Eau Claire region my entire life (39 years if that means anything at all here) and yes I am a guy too, second of all I am not related to these folks other than knowing the ex-husband of Mrs. Hoffland from seeing him on WEAU-13 television when I happened to be watching and thirdly I will not take to kindly to running my name or posts into the ground here or anywhere else.  I just pointed out the facts of a simple criminal backround check and looking up Mrs. Penny Hoffland via the local telephone book (2011 version).  If you do not like the results of what I had found or the lack of such, that is clearly your problem.  But being that I live 16 miles south of Eau Claire I have an edge on the location of the party you seem to have an issue with. 

As for the criminal backround check, anyone that has access to the internet could do a simple check via the open records (ccap) website.  But I am going to assume since you have an invested interest in this person, you would have already known that huh?

Now finally, I am willing to ignore your prior post if you please refrain from posting any further remarks about my character, relationship (clearly the lack of it to either of you) and/or anything else for that matter.  If you ignore my request, I will ask the website management to block/ban your access from this site for libel posts and violation of the terms of this site.

Thank you and good luck dear sir.

1. Penny E-Hoffland,Penny E. Hoffland, Ms.Penny Engrav-Hoffland: MA Music Performance-Piano,Vocal; Professional Performing & Recording Artist; Professor of Music Location: Eau Claire, WI USA
         Penny is an Amazon reviewer. This is the info she has posted about herself.      See http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/AWW9EFR6GBN3Z

2.  See above link. This is what Penny entered into Amazon.com herself.  Penny E-Hoffland,Penny E. Hoffland, Ms.Penny Engrav-Hoffland
      See her pictures there at the link above. 
      See her town, that she entered herself.  Eau Claire, WI USA 

Google PennyMusicmama and cached youtube comments.  

It seems obvious to me that you are lying Disco Queen - Eleva (USA).  Can't be Sherri, this is written too well. 

Are you Penny's son? Surely her son would have researched out via the internet the truth of his mother's nutty aggressive behavior on YouTube.  Calling someone a convicted child molester is very serious and Penny was getting These lies from Sherri Amirault/Amero who is using my real user name here to slander Richard Norton. Sherri was in love with Richard, he was kind to her but was not attracted. Then began now three plus years of incredible abuse, harassment and lies toward Norton and any friend of his. 

It's clear you are lying, a simple internet search brings up Penny's Amazon profile and other examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdJaGm241FE  This YouTube channel has Pennymusicmama, her Youtube name, commenting:
 
Aimee, I blieve you mean"E"of the C Major scale(the 3rd note). "E" is also 1st letter of my maiden name,"Engrav" or"Enggrav"-true Norwegian spelling. Usually sign? my name as Penny E.- hoffland.pennymusicMAma 3 years ago.

In addition you make the comment  The last communications you have posted via this site are from 2009..
 What? Another lie from you Look at the report again deary. 2011.  

So ride off on your lame horse and harass someone else. All that Richard has written above is tru.  One of her friends indeed DID contact me after Penny went mean and nuts on her. 
For your sake, I hope you are not related. If you are, Penny needs medication and monitoring.  She may possible need intervention for drinking.

I live in Eau Claire, WI and I had reviewed you posting and I find multiple issues here.

1.  Penny E.  Hoffland does not live at the address that you have listed which can also be verified on the web.  The address that you have posted is for a Penny L. Hoffland.

2.  There is no legal record of a Penny E. Hoffland existing here in Eau Claire, WI via the local 2011 telephone book or an old phone book from 2009.

3.  Here in Wisconsin, we pride ourselves on having a very liberal "open records" law on past/current criminal/civil records which can be viewed by anyone via the web at "Wisconsin Circuit Court Access (CCAP)" website.  Again there is no legal record on any Penny Hoffland in the entire State of Wisconsin ever.

4.  It true that John Hoffland, former News Director of one of the Eau Claire television stations did pass away in July 4th, 2009 which can be verified on this: website...http://www.weau.com/news/headlines/49929452.html

5.  I am unable to locate any Penny Hoffland youtube sites excluding anything you have posted.

6.  The last communications you have posted via this site are from 2009...isn't it time to move on already?  Personally this is truly sad that you have held onto this that long. 

As for trying to locate this Penny E. Hoffland that is the star of this post..why?  I clearly don't think this person exists or maybe still in the area.  All records that I have found have turned up empty handed.  Time to let this one trick pony out to pasture friend.