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  • Report:  #30616

Complaint Review: State of Arizona Politics - Phoenix Arizona

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- Mesa, AZ,
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State of Arizona Politics
200 West Washington St. Phoenix, 85001 Arizona, U.S.A.
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The State of Arizona, Maricopa County, and many--probably

most--of the municipal entities within that territory are

in tremendous financial trouble.

Within the last decade-and-a-half, this state has suffered

vast numbers of financial scams, at the hands of criminal businessmen and public employees, even a major recession caused locally by savings & loan fraud and manipulations. We put lots of people in jail, but they largely seem to be the wrong ones, or at least, much of it is inappropriate.

Budget deficits of ridiculous levels, cities where

corruption is so common even tourists notice the various

scams...

The e-mail reproduced here is merely part of a long, ongoing discussion between concerned citizens, but it uniquely applies to Arizona.

And perhaps--just PERHAPS--it explains some of what this

state and the nation seem to be learning to tolerate.

For your consideration:

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I didn't have time to mention it in my last e-mail, but your comments on a general "anti-intellectualism" taking deep root in these United States caught my eye and my interest.

I suspect it is much more than that, and I have what may be a crackpot theory, but I explored it somewhat on the very first page of THE CLASSIC M1 GARAND... Among other changes I have noticed in just the last dozen or so years, the U.S. seems to have, very quietly, slipped into a prosecutorial justice system, in which EVERYONE is guilty until proven innocent. Likewise, public debates and forums which used to include logic, information, and ideas have slipped into what I call "Buzzword Contests".

It has been many years since I heard any public controversy in which the dueling took place much above the gutter level, and yet few seem to include--and this is especially true here in Mesa--what ought to be the very most salient "gossipy" or personal facts.

For example, Matt Salmon, one of our gubernatorial candidates, from the Republican Party, of course, is a Mormon and a lobbyist for Qwest, our esteemed telephone company. But neither this nor his checkered financial and political past comes up much in public discussion. The suggestion that his Democratic opponent might be a l*****n--which interests me not at all--DOES however

leak into public discussions.

I suspect this is all due to leftover paranoia and investigative energy floating around from the Cold War. The gumshoes of the Witch Hunt era had to turn their noses to their fellow citizens, merely to occupy their minds and reinforce the silly pretense that they served some useful function. And of course, TO EARN A

LIVING. We are, I suspect, effectively eating ourselves. I am, in a twisted sort of way, fortunate to have had my unpleasant experiences in Maricopa County Jail, wherein one finds that there are many, many people locked up for very serious periods of time for downright fraudulent charges, others similarly ensconced for what simply amount to minor stupid moves without victims.

American law enforcement and prosecution apparatus is apparently directed at getting "THEM"...and if there is no "THEM", it becomes imperative to create one.

To get a small taste of how this impacts people, checkout the Ripoff Report, and conduct an internal search on Mesa, Arizona.

I have a couple of reports there myself, and there are many which, if they were fiction, would be incredible and hilarious.

But they are not apocryphal...they are very real. And it is not all government-related, either. There is also a Mesa, Arizona Corruption Report site, heavily linked and with common sources.

By the way, the Briton King who got his butt kicked by the Danes/Vikings was Ethelred the Unready. That one resonates with me because I am distantly related to families on both sides, and even in grade school, we studied his unsuccessful campaigns with some mirth and considerable foreboding.

Which sort of ties two distant ideas together. Whilst we were, as a nation, trying to denigrate Clinton (who probably deserves it, but isn't there a time to STOP?), besmirch Chinese export/business practices and policies, and locking up citizens for YEARS who dared to own a marijuana seed, the real goblins of a corrupt economy and religious politics strolled up, unobserved, and took huge chomps out of our very soul.

Enron, Global Crossing, Osama bin Laden, WorldCom/MCI. take your pick, they all did more to chew away at our real security levels than the aforementioned, and did it with no announcement they were in the arena of thieves. Our politicians and pundits were too busy beating up irrelevant straw men and carrying the hogwash banners of whatever symbols were "hot" or "cool" right at that moment.

This is the "Rush Limbaugh" approach: hit a lot of targets and make a great deal of noise. Trouble is, any real boogey men are simply not involved at the front end of the rifle/shotgun. They are strolling up from behind.

I have a name for this period of American/World History, which rather flows from Chinese experience, oddly enough. I call it : "THE GREAT LEAP BACKWARD"...

And I do not for a moment pretend that it is merely anti-intellectual, it is MUCH more than that. It is anti-freedom and anti-truth.

The subject truly is Nacht und Nabel...night and fog. Real ideas and real issues are best disguised by mist and darkness, not by denial.

This is not the ancient dichotomy of "how many angels can

dance upon the head of a pin".... It matters! It costs money and it kills people. It makes a great many very ordinary, honest people afraid ALL THE TIME.

These are not coincidences.

The reality is that conspiracy theorists are inevitably

gawking at the Federal Government and the United Nations

as the source of oppression and thievery, when in reality,

it is far closer to home. The old theory about smaller

government units and private industries being "closer to

the people" and therefore more relevant and responsive

has here been proven erroneous. Or at the very least,

unworthy of consideration. We LIVE with out carbunculous

government(s)...and because of our lethargy, we are become

part of the problem.

Jay

Mesa, Arizona

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2 Updates & Rebuttals

Matt

Mesa,
Arizona,
Get used to it, it is going to get a LOT worse before it gets better.

#2UPDATE EX-employee responds

Thu, September 26, 2002

This is not going to change soon. It is going to get much worse. It is "dumbing down", and it is VERY MUCH intended by the Arpaio types and others who can profit and increase their power by incarcerating, incriminating, or simply killing people. It accomplishes only EVIL, but it creates statistics they can use. Most of the southwest is like this...poor, stupid, with a very much entrenched wealthy class, often Mormons, sometimes not, and nobody with the power of a squirrel will ever dare step forward to change it. Why bother? It can only get a brave man killed or imprisoned.


Winston

Mesa,
Arizona,
Isn't it Amazing? Isn't it so fun?

#3Consumer Suggestion

Fri, September 20, 2002

Wonderful! Here we are in the state which, pretty much simultaneous produced Charles Keating, Ev Mecham, Fife Symington, Mesa's resident ripoff artists, Hutchinson and Luster, the Mormon twins, a boatload of legal precedents from cops ardently trying to deny defendant's rights, and nobody notices A PATTERN???????? Oh, I think we do. I heard coffee shop rumors about Keating playing at Vegas tables with depositor's money long before anything broke in the press. And the same politicians and reporters expressed shock when over a billion dollars just "disappeared".... Geez, 'spose it was an accident? Notice: none of the above is in jail. At least, not YET. Now, my nephew, who was found with a quarter of an ounce of marijuana in the trunk of a rented car he had been driving for less than an hour, took a "plea bargain"... It was no bargain. He is STILL locked up. Excuses, lies, distortions, evasions, fluff, and plain b.s. are the formulae for politics in Arizona. Anybody ever notice all of the above were and/or supposedly are "Law and Order" men? What we need is a Scarlet Pimpernel, what we get is a clown named Joe Arpaio. What Mesa needed was a fair, reform-minded, independent police chief. What we got was the city manager's lap puppy. What we will get in November is a puppy of the puppy. Definition of insanity: repeat the same behavior endlessly, and anticipate a new and/or better result. Maybe the "them" really responsible is US. Are we really that stupid? Based on the academic achievement scores of our schools, service testing, and every other educational and informational criteria I can find, Arizona is dumb and getting dumber. Perhaps indeed our "leadership" is what we deserve. We certainly worked to wind up with this rogue's gallery.

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