Complaint Review: Child Protective Services CPS Division - Phoenix Arizonia

L- I am not an employee or contractor of a childrens services organization. I am hoping all will work out well with the poster if her posting is true.

L- I am not an employee or contractor of a childrens services organization. I am hoping all will work out well with the poster if her posting is true.

L- I am not an employee or contractor of a childrens services organization. I am hoping all will work out well with the poster if her posting is true.

L- I am not an employee or contractor of a childrens services organization. I am hoping all will work out well with the poster if her posting is true.

You're right,John, the originator of the report has NOT responded at all! I had noticed that earlier but put a posting on the site for when she DOES get back into the site. I believe you stated you were NOT a DHS/CPS promoter or employee or contractor. Right?

I am not questioning anything you say about what has happened in Oklahoma. I see your conviction in what you are saying. You are proving what you are saying with articles and I am not disputing that. No where in my rebuttal did ai take the side of DHS/CPS. I just asked the question should the ORIGINAL poster be believed. First of all, no name is signed. Secondly, it is only her word that her "boyfriend" is the problem. Why aren't there any responses from her about all your suggestions? You attack everyone who posts here even though they didn't disagree with you. Get a grip on your emotions before you attack people.

John, from Georgia, why are you defending the DHS/CPS? You must be an employee! You KNOW that all DHS/CPS is looking for is a little bit of an excuse to take the child into custody so they can adopt her out. Getting rewards and bonuses is the same as legal TRAFFICKING of children. If they remove the child from the home, the child will not be in danger of the 'x-boyfriend' who was reportedly the problem. Then, once, they get the child in DHS/CPS custody, emotionally disable her, place her in a foster home, DHS/CPS caseworkers will say, "She's doing so wonderful in the foster home! It's in the BEST interest of the child to leave her there!" And, so the story goes on again! Put the emotionally damaged child on Medicare and Social Security, give her mind-altering or experimental drugs, pay contractors to alter her mind, place her in "Extended Grief Therapy" counseling, remove her parenting rights because "The child is wonderfully attaching to the foster parents." Then, DHS/CPS will adopt the child to "a safe and strong family of their own choosing." Next comes the rewards and bonuses promised by the AFSA from Medicare and Social Security. I can't blame the original reporter for being concerned about the DHS/CPS stalkers. THEY WILL NOT LEAVE HER ALONE! They want that child ... so they can 'protect' her! IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY! Read "An Expose on the Child Abuse Industry" where newspaper reports and investigations PROVE it's all about MONEY! I don't have any idea what to suggest to the mother of the child. I DO know that she has NOT heard the end of DHS/CPS! They'll keep their stalking reports on file FOREVER as they accumulate charges. Our case began when I wrote a letter to the school principal asking for her help in protecting kindergarten children from being sexually assaulted on the local school bus. It was the wrong thing to do! DHS/CPS adoptions office says they can't be returned to my home because "I can't protect them!" Now, three years later, they've been adopted to protect them from the assaulting students, the parents and all biological family. No, I'm sorry, Joe, it doesn't pay to report something to an agency of our federal, state, county or local government as long as they're being rewarded for destroying little children and families. The mother probably should have asked for a "Police Protection Order" to keep the fellow away from the whole family. Now, she'll need to file a PPO to protect herself AND her daughter from DHS/CPS. There is NO way to stop DHS/CPS! A Class Act Lawsuit should be filed against stalkers who abuse, neglect and destroy little children for MONEY. STALK Definition is "To persue stealthily! To go in a menacing manner." That acurately describes DHS/CPS. Let's get the name of those stalkers (DHS/CPS caseworkers)! See how much they enjoy having their children taken into custody, hearing their co-workers lie to the judge so parenting rights can be removed and then adopting the children to someone outside the biological family because the foster parents are PROTECTING them. Go ahead, DHS/CPS, stalk American citizens! Americans, get your cameras out, take photographs, date your photographs and notes, have witnesses verify your statements. Keep them handy! Keep them FOREVER! You'll need them! We must do all we can to protect ourselves and our families from DHS/CPS stalkers. American citizens, get your cameras out, take pictures of DHS/CPS stalkers knocking on your door, driving down your street or visiting the child in school. Remember, when they get back to their car or to their office, they'll write lies about what happened. The lies justify their salary. Their lies will remain on file FOREVER! Now, John, go ahead and admit that you're a DHS/CPS employee or contractor, being paid to permanently emotionally damage our little children FOR REWARDS AND BONUSES! My apologies, John, if you can PROVE to me that you're not a part of DHS/CPS. Your defensive statements reflect that you ARE an employee or a contractor. Prove me wrong!

In January 2004 the American Fammily Rights Association published "An Expose on the Child Abuse Industry" (Recognizing the Problems, Seeking the Solutions)that all America should read very carefully! The report states, "The reward system, which one expert called the 'perverse incentive factor,' has led L.A. County and others to whisk children away from their parents when alternatives might have worked as well or better ..." Dennis M. Hinger, Executive Vice President, AFRA states, "I have been advocating for the rights of children and families since 1995 and would like to take this opportunity to share the information we have compiled in this handout. It is our sincere hope that all who read this, parent, professional, or concerned citizen, will find justifiable cause to start asking a few questions of your government officials and make some needed reforms." CPS admitted recently in their own release, that more than 50% of the children they removed from their natural parents could have stayed home. In California, there are an estimated 145,000 children residing in foster care. It can cost as much as $150,000 per year, per child, to maintain these children outside their home when you consider all of the costs. An article on Page 61 states, "The Adoption and Safe Families Act passed by Congress in 1997 gave financial incentives to states for removing children from their homes and putting them up for adoption. The federal government gives the states an average of $13,000 per child in foster care each year out of the Social Security Trust Fund, with up to $50,000 a year to provide "services" to that child. In addition, the government gives a "bonus" of $4,000 - $10,000 to states who can terminate a parent's rights and successfully adopt the child to another family." The report consists of many newspaper reports. One report on page 66 is entitled, "Children Committing Suicide at Younger Age" by Troy Anderson, Staff Writer for Los Angeles Daily News. ABC News Reporter, Cynthia McFadden, was part of a legal investigation. Her report is on page 67, "Foster Care Stretched Beyond Limits." She quotes on child, "They would take me out and not tell me where I was going. I would get back from school, my bags were packed. I didn't have the time to say goodbye to anyone," said Debbie, "You have to build up a wall so you don't get close." Please take the time to read the full report!

In January 2004 the American Fammily Rights Association published "An Expose on the Child Abuse Industry" (Recognizing the Problems, Seeking the Solutions)that all America should read very carefully! The report states, "The reward system, which one expert called the 'perverse incentive factor,' has led L.A. County and others to whisk children away from their parents when alternatives might have worked as well or better ..." Dennis M. Hinger, Executive Vice President, AFRA states, "I have been advocating for the rights of children and families since 1995 and would like to take this opportunity to share the information we have compiled in this handout. It is our sincere hope that all who read this, parent, professional, or concerned citizen, will find justifiable cause to start asking a few questions of your government officials and make some needed reforms." CPS admitted recently in their own release, that more than 50% of the children they removed from their natural parents could have stayed home. In California, there are an estimated 145,000 children residing in foster care. It can cost as much as $150,000 per year, per child, to maintain these children outside their home when you consider all of the costs. An article on Page 61 states, "The Adoption and Safe Families Act passed by Congress in 1997 gave financial incentives to states for removing children from their homes and putting them up for adoption. The federal government gives the states an average of $13,000 per child in foster care each year out of the Social Security Trust Fund, with up to $50,000 a year to provide "services" to that child. In addition, the government gives a "bonus" of $4,000 - $10,000 to states who can terminate a parent's rights and successfully adopt the child to another family." The report consists of many newspaper reports. One report on page 66 is entitled, "Children Committing Suicide at Younger Age" by Troy Anderson, Staff Writer for Los Angeles Daily News. ABC News Reporter, Cynthia McFadden, was part of a legal investigation. Her report is on page 67, "Foster Care Stretched Beyond Limits." She quotes on child, "They would take me out and not tell me where I was going. I would get back from school, my bags were packed. I didn't have the time to say goodbye to anyone," said Debbie, "You have to build up a wall so you don't get close." Please take the time to read the full report!

In January 2004 the American Fammily Rights Association published "An Expose on the Child Abuse Industry" (Recognizing the Problems, Seeking the Solutions)that all America should read very carefully! The report states, "The reward system, which one expert called the 'perverse incentive factor,' has led L.A. County and others to whisk children away from their parents when alternatives might have worked as well or better ..." Dennis M. Hinger, Executive Vice President, AFRA states, "I have been advocating for the rights of children and families since 1995 and would like to take this opportunity to share the information we have compiled in this handout. It is our sincere hope that all who read this, parent, professional, or concerned citizen, will find justifiable cause to start asking a few questions of your government officials and make some needed reforms." CPS admitted recently in their own release, that more than 50% of the children they removed from their natural parents could have stayed home. In California, there are an estimated 145,000 children residing in foster care. It can cost as much as $150,000 per year, per child, to maintain these children outside their home when you consider all of the costs. An article on Page 61 states, "The Adoption and Safe Families Act passed by Congress in 1997 gave financial incentives to states for removing children from their homes and putting them up for adoption. The federal government gives the states an average of $13,000 per child in foster care each year out of the Social Security Trust Fund, with up to $50,000 a year to provide "services" to that child. In addition, the government gives a "bonus" of $4,000 - $10,000 to states who can terminate a parent's rights and successfully adopt the child to another family." The report consists of many newspaper reports. One report on page 66 is entitled, "Children Committing Suicide at Younger Age" by Troy Anderson, Staff Writer for Los Angeles Daily News. ABC News Reporter, Cynthia McFadden, was part of a legal investigation. Her report is on page 67, "Foster Care Stretched Beyond Limits." She quotes on child, "They would take me out and not tell me where I was going. I would get back from school, my bags were packed. I didn't have the time to say goodbye to anyone," said Debbie, "You have to build up a wall so you don't get close." Please take the time to read the full report!

In January 2004 the American Fammily Rights Association published "An Expose on the Child Abuse Industry" (Recognizing the Problems, Seeking the Solutions)that all America should read very carefully! The report states, "The reward system, which one expert called the 'perverse incentive factor,' has led L.A. County and others to whisk children away from their parents when alternatives might have worked as well or better ..." Dennis M. Hinger, Executive Vice President, AFRA states, "I have been advocating for the rights of children and families since 1995 and would like to take this opportunity to share the information we have compiled in this handout. It is our sincere hope that all who read this, parent, professional, or concerned citizen, will find justifiable cause to start asking a few questions of your government officials and make some needed reforms." CPS admitted recently in their own release, that more than 50% of the children they removed from their natural parents could have stayed home. In California, there are an estimated 145,000 children residing in foster care. It can cost as much as $150,000 per year, per child, to maintain these children outside their home when you consider all of the costs. An article on Page 61 states, "The Adoption and Safe Families Act passed by Congress in 1997 gave financial incentives to states for removing children from their homes and putting them up for adoption. The federal government gives the states an average of $13,000 per child in foster care each year out of the Social Security Trust Fund, with up to $50,000 a year to provide "services" to that child. In addition, the government gives a "bonus" of $4,000 - $10,000 to states who can terminate a parent's rights and successfully adopt the child to another family." The report consists of many newspaper reports. One report on page 66 is entitled, "Children Committing Suicide at Younger Age" by Troy Anderson, Staff Writer for Los Angeles Daily News. ABC News Reporter, Cynthia McFadden, was part of a legal investigation. Her report is on page 67, "Foster Care Stretched Beyond Limits." She quotes on child, "They would take me out and not tell me where I was going. I would get back from school, my bags were packed. I didn't have the time to say goodbye to anyone," said Debbie, "You have to build up a wall so you don't get close." Please take the time to read the full report!

I notice that the original poster has notheing to say. Is it possible that the charges she made against her boyfriend can not be proven and there is legitimate reasons to look into her???? You people are lumping all Cheldren Services into one group.... How about checing intoi the validity of the post first????

Joe, I'm sure you've read most of my postings on this rip-off site. Now, what do you suggest for those of us who have lost our children and grandchildren to liars, abusers, neglecters. Are there any laws to force caseworkers to be truthful and be responsible for emotional and physical injuries they purposefully do to little children they take into custody? (1) Do you have any suggestions that can help stop DHS's Child Protection Services from abusing and neglecting little children that they happily take into custody? Joe, I know, from years of experience, that DHS workers have absolutely NO idea about the REAL needs of a child they take into custody. They need love and care but a DHS/CPS worker doesn't have the time to show them the love and care they really need. There are just too many children to attend to in the shelters. They're just treated like herds of wild animals. "LINE UP!" "GET AWAY FROM ME!" "DON'T TOUCH ME!" "EAT YOUR FOOD!" "CLEAN UP YOUR ROOM!" "STOP CRYING!" "SIT DOWN!" "GO TO YOUR ROOM!" "SHUT UP!" "YOU CAN'T PLAY THAT GAME!" "YOU CAN'T WATCH THAT MOVIE!" "YOU CAN'T TALK TO THE OTHER KIDS IN HERE!" Then, curse words are added to those verbalizations! THAT'S CHILD PROTECTION! I worked part-time in the PEMS and there's just NO way a caregiver can really KNOW what to do to help a young child who has been yanked away from his/her home environment and forced to live with strangers. It's inhumane! My little grandchildren have been severely abused, neglected and lied to by CPS workers and DHS contracting counselors in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. When my grandchildren left the Pauline E. Mayer Shelter in Oklahoma City, they were covered with lice! They had clothes on them that were six sizes too large! Their hair had not been combed in days! Their face was filthy! And even worse, they had been exposed for 60 days to horrible CURSING language that was NEVER used anywhere in their home environment! Yet, OKDHS 'protects' children? Headlice, curse words, neglecting medical treatment, kicking them out of school and later placing them in classrooms with EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED children is NOT protecting children! Joe, when my grandson was placed in the kinship home, he was folded over, holding his tummy and crying with unbearable abdominal pain! The Intake Worker KNEW he had a problem with his medication! Why didn't the Intake Worker help him? SHE KNEW HOW TO REACH FAMILY MEMBERS! SHE WANTED TO WATCH HIM SUFFER! When he was finally placed in a kinship home, they called ME for help! The Intake Worker had the medication and should have listened to the parents but the report says when the medication was finally given in the kinship home, his pain subsided! Joe, when the Intake Worker questioned my six-year-old speech handicapped granddaughter, she wrote in her notes, "She spoke as a normal five-year-old child! I understood EVERY word she spoke!" Now, Joe, if she understood EVERY word she spoke, why did she have to call a MAN in to help restrain her while she was trying to answer the questions the Intake Worker was asking? She was clearly using her body language to answer some of the questions? SHE WAS IN SPEECH THERAPY IN MY HOME AND IN HER HOME SCHOOL! Joe, why was the six-year-old kindergarten child "KICKED" out of school several times while residing in the Pauline E. Mayer Shelter? The Intake Worker knew OR should have known that she was speech handicapped! If she couldn't tell by listening and watching her, she had access to reports from the school and biological family. She KNEW she was in Speech Therapy while living in the grandmother's home. She had the reports from the results from the professionally given speech tests that I had given the school! She had the reports from her speech therapy teacher! FOR HER PROTECTION, she was retained in that place for SIXTY days. Yes, she was taught curse words, covered with head lice and horribly abused and educationally neglected for SIXTY LONG AND AGONIZING DAYS! That's sad to a loving grandmother! But Joe, you say ... "Get over it!" "You're filled with hatred!" Their adoption has been finalized now! I haven't been allowed to see them in three long, sad years! Yip, it hurts! But I can't do anything about the lies and false accusations! Joe, if you knew that your children or grandchildren were being INTENTIONALLY abused by someone and you were NOT allowed to help protect them from the abuse because someone had told lies about you, would YOU be happy? Well, Joe, I'm NOT in the least bit happy that my grandchildren have been so horribly treated! They were NEVER abused or mistreated in any way while living in my home! My grandchildren have BOTH been sexually molested by a child living in the foster home, NOT the kinship home, the foster home where they're doing so WONDERFUL! The kinship home was lied to when she was told that the parents had voluntarily relinquished all rights to both children. Joe, OKDHS approved the sexual abuse in the foster home!!!! The testimony is in their record and on court files! I NEVER approved sexual molestation in my home! Both children WERE sexually assaulted on the schoolbus while they were living in my home! If I had thought it was OK for anyone to sexually assault my grandchildren, I would NOT have written the letter to the school principal asking that she help keep kindergarten children SAFE from sexual assaults on school buses! (2) Do you have any suggestions as to what can be done to stop DHS caseworkers from lying and intermingling files? (a) We are "Kiowa Indians" and didn't know that until the judge told us, (b) their father 'smokes cigarettes in a hose in a pipe that we cannot find anywhere, (c) I have three step-sons that I cannot locate, nor do I know their identity, yet a negative report was supposedly made about them to the DHS psychologist. (3) Do you have any suggestions that can help protect children from these horrors? I filed six grievances but three of them "never reached the Client Advocacy Office of OKDHS." (They were sent Certified Mail RRR.) I tried to get the children back into my home but the home study worker said that DHS reported, "The grandmother knows all about how their bones were broken. Please have the grandmother explain what she knows about their broken bones." Joe, the bones, according to the home study worker's report, were broken between January and March 2002. I have not been permitted to see them since October 6-7, 2001. How would I know how their bones broken? I don't even know how crippled they are from the broken bones! The judge ordered that I never know what school the children go to so I can't even watch them limp to their classroom. I wonder if that's the reason the DHS contracted counselor from Bair Foundation said, "The children are too confused to see their grandmother or their father!" Maybe they were still on crutches or had bruises on them. I wonder if they're in wheelchairs or if they're even alive. OKDHS and their counselor is PROTECTING them from me! They were in custody of OKDHS when the bones were broken! THAT'S CHILD PROTECTION SERVICES IN OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA! I completed the foster parent training, the adoptive parent training, and first aid training but OKDHS Adoptions employees say that I "am not able to protect them." (4) Can you tell parents how they can protect children from assaults on school property? In Oklahoma, it's not the normal practice for parents and/or grandparents to be passengers on schoolbuses or to sit in the classrooms and watch the play ground. So, how can we, as parents and grandparents, protect our children from sexual assaults on the school property? Are parents expected to protect their children twenty-four hours a day ... even while they are in school and participating in school activities? Maybe the answer to that is Home Schooling children to protect them from child preditors preying on children in public schools. What do you suggest, Joe? Oklahoma passed a Bullying Law and I've been told that bullying originates in the home. When will the Bullying Law be applied to help stop sexual assaults? I wonder if that will help protect little children from abuse and neglect promoted, for MONETARY GAIN, by OKDHS under the covering of "Child Protective Services"?

Read the documents referred to. I've read studied them. Americans need to KNOW what is really going on in Health and Human Services! I hope consumers will do their research and do what they can to reform HHS/DHS. It's a massive job to even attempt. The easiest way, it seems, would be to completely reorganize ALL of HHS. We surely have Americans with sufficient intelligence who know HOW to bring about changes needed! There's an unending number of studies, committees and groups across our country trying to help resolve the problems within HHS. Surely the information contained in their efforts can help reform HHS into something Americans can respect.

People, L. says the things she writes in her reports can be documented. She must know what she is talking about. We need to ALL read the articles that she refers to. I'm feel like L., DHS has too much money. If they are using our Medicare money and Social Security money to pay their employees, someone needs to stop it. It's no wonder that they say our Social Security will be depleted in a few years! The documents L. refers say there is no limit to the amount of money DHS can get from Medicare and Social Security. Friends, unlimited is NOT good! Thank you, L., for informing us. If DHS employees are like Cheryl, then our country is in pitiful hands. I read a news report a while back that talked about DHS paying 'ghost' employees. I wonder whose social security number they posted those salaries to.

Joe, I'm sorry that I seem to be filled with revenge. Revenge is farthest from my mind! "Vengence is Mine," said the Lord! "I will repay ..." Romans 12:17-21. I AM filled with sorrow and concern for the life of my grandchildren and other little children who are being so abused as a result of the application of the ASFA and subsequent endeavors! I am filled with a very GREAT concern for the many children who are being brought into HHS/DHS/CPS custody and USED for HHS/DHS/CPS's mind-altering experimentation programs. I KNOW that HHS/DHS/CPS Foster Parents mean well but they don't know the TRUE background of the children they care for. DHS/CPS places a GAG ORDER on foster parents. Once the form is signed, they are told LIES about the children and family. I KNOW that is what is going on in our case! HHS/DHS/CPS USES foster parents to help them in their endeavor to destroy families and the child's hope to return to his/her biological family. Children are so emotionally damaged by HHS/DHS/CPS that there is absolutely NO hope for a full recovery UNTIL they are returned to a member of their biological family. ADOPTIONS outside of biological family prevents that from occurring! By the time the child is eighteen years old, they have been so manipulated by the lies told them, they are very confused as to who to believe. That's why HHS/DHS/CPS orders NO contact with the biological family. The goal of HHS/DHS/CPS is, "The children must NEVER know the truth!" I'm sure that some adoptions have good reason. However, there should be a mutual consent between the parent(s) and the children before an adoption is FORCED on the young child! No parent or grandparent should be FORCED to lie, tricked or manipulated into relinquishing their parental rights so their child can be adopted by HHS/DHS/CPS. This case IS all about MONEY provided to HHS/DHS/CPS through Medicare and Social Security. There's NO other reason for this Final Adoption outside the biological family! The Ryan Luke Law should also be reviewed in depth and rescinded or revised to allow the children to remain with members of the biological family! Grandparents KNOW their grandchildren and SHOULD have an opportunity to be of assistance to them, if they desire and are physically able! Grandparents LOVE their grandchildren and want the very BEST for them! The Ryan Luke Law totally prevents that from occurring! Every member of the Clinton Administration should be totally ashamed that they promoted the emotional destruction of little children and families! The Clinton Administration and ALL Americans should be ashamed that our government is still supporting rewards and bonuses to anyone from HHS/DHS/CPS or the judicial system who assists in adopting children, who can for ANY reason, be taken into custody. Yes, Joe, I was a part-time Youth Guidance Specialist in an OKDHS Group Home for girls and I loved it very much! I felt that my service in the group home environment was my Christian endeavor to help children living in that home. You see, Joe, I want the very best for every child and every child deserves the BEST there is to offer! Children need to have opportunities to develop their God-given talents and abilities and use them to serve the Lord as they reach maturity! My GREATEST concern while working in the group home, Joe, was when the 13-year old girl was taken to a DHS contracted physician and placed on MIND-ALTERING DRUGS! I KNOW there are means to help a 13-year old child, who pleads to communicate with their grandparent, than to put them on mind-altering drugs! THAT'S WRONG! That child could have been encouraged to get involved in a growth and self-development activity. That child needed support and encouragement, NOT DRUGS! It made me SICK when I learned of the mind-altering drug treatment plan! You and I both KNOW that many of the children that are taken into HHS/DHS/CPS custody are placed on the same or similar mind-altering drugs to "help" them overcome the loss of their loving biological family. Joe, adoption of my grandchildren outside the biological family is, in many ways, worse than DEATH itself! This family has been destroyed by HHS/DHS/OKDHS/CPS lies all originating from MY concern for little kindergarten children being sexually assaulted on the school bus. I believe, Joe, that I was correct in writing the letter to the school principal asking for her help to prevent, not just my grandchildren but other little kindergarten children, being sexually assaulted on school property. I believe that ALL of the children needed counseling by an appropriate child and family counselor! I do not, in any way, believe that adoption was the correct response to my concern for child safety in the local school! Joe, the difference between adoption and death is that biological family members THINK the children are still alive and out there somewhere but DHS will not tell us if they're alive or if they need help or anything. We KNOW THEY'RE SUFFERING and will continue to suffer until they're returned to a member of the biological family! Breaking children's bones and emotionally damaging little children should be considered a CRIME. Those 'professionals' who are actively participating in and promoting those crimes against little children should be held totally accountable for their criminal activities. Joe, I was told, during the home study by a North Care caseworker, that my grandchildren's bones were broken ... while they were living in foster care, sometime between January and March 2002. She said, "DHS has in their report that you KNOW all about how and why their bones were broken. I need you to tell me all you know about their broken bones." I was shocked! When I finally came to grips with the accusation, I asked her when the bones were broken. She said, "DHS says their bones were broken sometime between January and March 2002." Now, tell me, Joe, how could I have known their bones were broken when I had not seen them since October 2001? I don't know if they're permanently crippled or if they can walk or do anything that they used to be able to do when they were living in my home! The HHS/OKDHS/CPS Adoptions worker says, "They're doing wonderful in their new home!" I want to know the truth! Are they alive? How badly are they crippled? I'm VERY concerned about the health, education and welfare of my grandchildren! I LOVE THEM where ever they are! I hope they ARE still alive! With their bones being reportedly broken while living in the foster home, I don't know what more can or has happened to them. I'm VERY, VERY concerned! Now, back to the 13-year-old girl in the group home. Joe, what would have hurt for the caseworker in the group home to encourage the girl to write a letter and TELL her that it would be held in her folder until the courts allowed her to communicate with her grandmother? I believe it would have helped the situation far more than placing her on mind-altering drugs. Of course, my BS degree is NOT in social work or the medical field. It's in Education ... Training and Development. I care about their WHOLE being! No, Joe, I'm not in any way filled with hatred or revenge! I am, instead, filled with concern for the current emphasis on ADOPTIONS and permanently emotionally damaging little children! The ASFA and follow-up laws are, as I see it, intended to promote emotional damage on little children and destroying families so rewards and bonuses can flow unendingly into HHS/DHS/CPS. I KNOW there are children who need a safer and more stable environment but NOT adopted in order to destroy their relationship with their biological family who loves them dearly and wants the very BEST for them! Joe, how would YOU feel if YOU were one of those little children who were lied to in order to turn you against your biological family? The boy's court apointed lawyer told him, "Your daddy NEVER wants to see you again!" That's what has happened in this case! If you read all of my rip-off-reports, you'll see there are several injustices that have occurred in our family. I have documented proof of statements made in my rip-off reports. I KNOW, Joe, that these children would be much better off living with me. The thing that I did that was evidently VERY wrong was in writing a letter to the school principal, asking for her help to stop bigger children from sexually assaulting young, kindergarten children. If I had not asked for her help, I would still have the children in my home. Instead, the children were manipulated into feeling at blame for causing the sexual assault! The bus driver permitted the assault! Older female students had to intervene for the kindergarten child! I'm thankful that the older girls CARED! I don't know their identity. I hope they can some day find out just how much I appreciate what THEY did to help rescue my grandchildren. Joe, it's shouldn't be WRONG for a father to help his son take a bath and change clothes but OKDHS/CPS Intake Worker said, "It is WRONG for a Daddy to help his young son take a bath, towel dry him and dust him with bath powder!" You should know, if you have children or have been around them, that when you turn a young child loose with water in the shower or bathtub, it won't be long until all the hot water is gone and there's water everywhere! I've even read how some children have been left alone in the bathroom and drowned. The Intake Worker said, "A daddy should NEVER help give his son a bath or shower, towel dry him or dust him with bath powder!" I believe the statement was racial! But, she resigned so the grievance is "MOOT". A copy of the grievance and their response is in the court records. I filed a copy of that grievance and five others along with a Motion before the presiding judge. I filed a Motion asking that the Guardian ad Litem either follow the Oklahoma law or resign from the appointment, if he was not able or unwilling to abide by the law. Oklahoma Law says it is the responsibility of the appointed Guardian ad Litem to commnicate with all individuals who were involved in the children, past, present and on-going. Our appointed Guardian ad Litem has NEVER said even one word to me. I think that's very strange! Both children were living with me in MY home while their father was working full-time and seeking help for the family. They had lived in my home most of the time for over a year! I took the children to school, to school activities, to doctor appointments. I gave them prescribed medications and did all that a caregiving grandparent could do for them. Well, sorry I got sidetracked but ... back to the accusations of "It is WRONG for a father to touch his child." Children enjoy playing with the bubbles and toys in the bathtub or shower. They enjoy swimming and playing on water slides, etc. That's good, but it seems to me that someone in the family should be the appropriate person to teach their children good hygiene practices. NOT SO according to OKDHS/CPS! "It is NOT ACCEPTABLE! It is WRONG for a father to touch his child!" Yip! "It is WRONG for a father to touch his child!" That's her EXACT words! That's what we have gone through! Of course, that employee has moved out of OKDHS, but the consequences of her recommendation to remove all parental rights have followed her all the way through Final Adoption. She's the one who also pointed to me, standing in the hallway, after leaving the courtroom and said, "You will NEVER see your grandchildren again!" And, I haven't seen them in three years, from October 6-7 2001 until today, September 28, 2004! Joe, my Bible teaches me to "Abhor that which is evil; cling to that which is good." (Romans 12:9). So, NO, Joe, I don't hate any employee or caregiver of HHS/DHS/OKDHS/CPS or any other DHS related organization. I DO abhor the evil law (ASFA) that is designed to promote adoptions for rewards and bonuses! I believe OKDHS and other child care service organizations were doing fine WITHOUT the force of ASFA. To me, it appears that the ASFA originally had good intentions but those good intentions have turned into abuse and neglect so awards and bonuses can rob Medicare and Social Security of much needed funds! Joe, if you see the law different, please let me know. I KNOW it was said to have been designed to help children find permanent homes but that's NOT the emphasis in THIS case! This case is about MONEY in the form of AWARDS AND BONUSES! My deceased husband and I served as foster parents for four years but when the children came up for possible adoption, we didn't FIGHT the biological parents to keep them away from the children. In fact, when they were returned to their biological father and their new step-mother, I wrote a caring letter to their father to help him understand what we had endeavored to do to help his children while he was not in the picture. We felt we were a service FOR children. I will always feel that a child needs to have some sort of CONNECTION with his/her biological family. Birth adoptions may sometimes be an exception. Our foster children's caseworker told our foster children, "You don't have to agree with the things that your parent(s) have done but always remember that they ARE your parents!" I've stuck with that teaching! Just because a parent is not PERFECT, doesn't mean that their parental rights should be removed so they can be adopted! I know of only One person who walked on this earth who was/is perfect! That Person was crucified by an angered mob! Then, He said, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they're doing!" (Luke 23:34) If HHS/DHS/OKDHS/CPS employees and counselors would just tell the children the TRUTH, it would really help! I KNOW that my grandchildren have been horrified by the lies they've been told! Read my original rip-off-report to find the truth in the case. Joe, tell me why should I bring my grandchildren's violins, books, life insurance policies, learning equipment, toys and clothing to OKDHS for them to DISPOSE of? That's what the OKDHS field representative TOLD me I should do! Why should I deliver their personal items to OKDHS? They have thus far refused to take the educational dolls or the scientific clocks to my grandchildren. In fact, the educational dolls are reportedly lost or stolen. I've been told that OKDHS/CPS/Permanent Placement Unit cannot find them! I have no idea what happened to the scientific clocks that I personally delivered to OKDHS for my grandchildren's educational use. I KNOW the Adoptions supervisor told me, "The clocks will NOT be given to your grandchildren! Delivering the clocks to your grandchildren is communication and you're not permitted to communicate with them in any way!" I left the scientific clocks with the supervisor of the Adoptions Unit of OKDHS. I don't really want to take my grandson's birdhouse and other personal things to someone who will just throw them in the trash since the children are NOT permitted to communicate with me! Joe, do you think I should have turned all of their personal items to HHS/OKDHS as the OKDHS field representative instructed me? Joe, I have not been allowed to visit my grandchildren since 6-7 October 2001. The Family Assessment caseworker lied when she told the judge that I visited my grandson in the school he was moved to. I DID visit the school after he was moved to the NEXT foster home. I have a letter from the former school proving that I did not visit the school. I gave a copy of the letter to the North Care home study worker. The judge who was deposed from the case believed the caseworker's lie and ordered there be NO communication with the children. That judge stated, "You will be in contempt of court if you, in any way, even try to communicate with your grandchildren!" That's OKDHS/CPS and that judge! It's all in the official court documents! After hearing the lying caseworker, the judge ordered that I NEVER know what school my grandchildren attend! The judge demanded NO proof of her accusation and neither my lawyer or I knew she was going to bring the lie to the judge! That juvenile judge believed the lying caseworker! After my grandson was moved, and the case was placed in another court, I got a letter from the school verifying true facts. Joe, we're a caring Christian oriented family and yes, the lies have hurt me and other members of my immediate family very much! Their great-grandmother, who was 90 the last time she saw her great-grandchildren, misses their weekly visits with her. These actions are CRIMINAL! I just cannot understand why caseworkers feel they must tell so many lies? No, Joe, I don't believe all caseworkers are liars! I believe that SOME of them are really good at caring for their clients. The problem is the current emphasis on Adoptions for rewards and bonuses! The ASFA promotes emotional damages, mind-altering drugs, extended grief therapy, lies and child abuse for REWARDS and BONUSES! Read it! Joe, I'm glad you stated that Florida's emphasis has not been on Adoptions. Thank you so much! I hope that congress and state legislators can do something SOON to SAVE the children from these horrors! That's why I've endeavored to make postings on the rip-off-report site. Americans and especially our congressional and state legislative staff need to KNOW what is really going on behind the closed doors of HHS/DHS/CPS. This site is my means to help others see what is really going on so they can contact their legislators. Legislation is the only way that I see changes can really be made so children can be saved from these horrible adoption promotion laws. I hope my concern has helped others who CAN do something to save the children! The truth of OUR case is on the rip-off report site! Every statement can be documented! Joe and others reading this report, I sincerely believe that the ASFA is an evil law intended only with the results of tearing up little children FOR rewards and bonuses to HHS/DHS. I refer you to the Bible about teachings about EVIL that relate to the ASFA and subsequent laws. Read: 1 Peter 3:9; Romans 12:17 and 21; 1 Timothy 5:22; 2 Timothy 4:18, 1 Thessalonians 5:22; James 3:16; John 3:20; and Luke 6:45. My Bible also teaches, "Render unto Caesar, the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things which are God's." (Luke 20:25) I just can't FREELY give the heart, mind and soul of all little American children to HHS/DHS/CPS's government (Caesar) without letting MY voice be heard and my statements read! "Caesar" (HHS/DHS/CPS) has stolen the heart, mind and soul of every child they have taken into custody and adopted for rewards and bonuses to their coffers! Please, if you're a state legislator or congressional representative, rescind the ASFA and ALL similar laws designed to permanently emotionally damage little children and families on the pretext of "what is in the BEST interest of little children!" LEGISLATORS ... PLEASE! PLEASE! SAVE THE CHILDREN!! They're our future generation! I hope that in saving little children NOW, they will, in turn, help save us from the evils that can come about in our senior adult days.

L- Although I don't know how things are in Oklahoma or even Arizona where the OP is from, I do know you are consumed with hatred and revenge. In Florida where I worked, we did not try to "double our adoptions", even though Clinton was also my president. Though it does, indeed, sound like quite a lot of wrongdoings were going on in your area, I do think that stuff like you mentioned is not common as you seem to allege. Great hatred, anger and desire for some sort of revenge can be read through your words. I do hope you can eventually release the anger. I'm also very glad to hear you are an ex-employee. Whether it was from you quitting or being ousted, I think the children are better off without you... though you probably think you were the only one to "save them from the system". And to the OP, I am sorry if you are being "bothered" by CPS if there is no need. I can say that investigators/ workers are to look out for children no matter the circumstances. I know that a lot of "stuff" is going on... and allowed to continue going on for fear that MORE PROBLEMS WITH ARISE. Just last week I had someone seek my advise about how she could help her Mother in law who wanted roommate and kids out of her home and should she, herself report an awful situation (filth and sexual activity between adults) going on. MIL didn't want to get in trouble and have her own kids taken out of home... although she was allowing the activity of friend and it was her house that was filthy. So dilemma was if MIL made a report about her roommate and her activity, then CPA would have to enter the home.... and would probably remove ALL kids, including MIL's. Did a report get made? I don't know and don't care to worry able it. I'm no longer a mandatory reporter, so I choose to stay far away from it.

I sure hope you've been allowed to care for your child. At this point in time, HHS/DHS/CPS has a wagon load of laws that promote taking children into custody, removing parental rights and adopting them to people of THEIR choice. HHS/DHS/CPS Adoption laws are designed to promote DOUBLING adoptions each year as recommended by the Clinton Administration. There is NO way to stop HHS/DHS/CPS employees and their contractors from dragging up all sorts of imaginative lies and reporting fictitious witnesses! They have been given free reign to destroy EVERY little child and EVERY family so the rewards and bonuses can flow into their coffers! DOUBLE THE ADOPTIONS FOR REWARDS AND BONUSES!!! READ the various reports of the number of little children who have been and continue to be taken into custody. Early on, numerous lies must be recorded in the OKDHS KIDS files to make it easier for parental rights to be removed. The first recommendation on the OKDHS/CPS agenda is "remove parenting rights." Once those recommendations are made, lies are developed to promote that decision! I have NEVER known of a child actually being returned to the biological parent(s) once they have been taken into custody! After all, if a child is returned to the biological family, the children will have to be given in-depth, extended for life, therapy to overcome some of the damages that HHS/OKDHS/CPS and their millions of contractors have forced on the child. It may be in their reports that the child is returned to the biological parent(s) but any such report is VERY doubtful! I have found that once a child is taken into custody, they are immediately on the road to devastating emotional damages, mind-altering drugs and/or mind-altering counseling. HHS/DHS/CPS does NOT want ANY child to be returned to the parent(s)! After all, if a child IS returned to the biological parent(s), the rewards and bonuses will NOT flow into HHS/DHS/CPS from Medicare and SSI as ordered by the ASFA and subsequent laws. FACT: OKDHS informed me and other family members during a Grand Staff Meeting that I would not be permitted to visit my children again unless I lied about the father! I suppose their theory was that if I would ADMIT that the father was a child molester, they would have the proof that they were seeking. OKDHS/CPS employees SAY that if a father TOUCHES his child in any way, they ARE child molesters! What a mind set! I told them, in that Grand Staff Meeting that "if every person in the room, about 15 people, who had changed their child's diaper or underwear, would admit they, too, were child molesters, THEN I would admit that their father and virtually EVERY caring parent, including myself, was ALSO a child molester! The mouth of several conferees flew open in shock upon hearing the statement. That is EXACTLY what this case is ALL about ... a father helping his young 1-4 year old son bath, change his clothing and dress for an occasion. THAT is what the HHS/OKDHS/CPS Intake Worker called CHILD MOLESTATION! Men, especially those of you who are fathers, be prepared! BE cautious! HHS/OKDHS encourages fathers, in their parenting classes, to help the mother with caregiving activities of their young children. The problem lies in the fact that IF, in the process of caregiving, the father TOUCHES the child, especially the male child, he is an ACCUSED child molester! Now, if a mother or school teacher touches a male child in the same way, they're called a mother or caregiving teacher. Child molesting accusations are a real problem when scheduling men (fathers) to help in a church nursery, young children's classes of any kind or day care centers. According to the OKDHS INTAKE WORKER on this case, "A father should NEVER touch his child! It is NOT acceptable!" HHS/OKDHS/CPS, through these accusatons, teaches that if a father helps with bathing and/or potty training events of his young son, he is an ACCUSED child molester. The father was EVEN informed, by OKDHS officials, that he is NOT to attend parenting classes because he is an ACCUSED child molester ... because the father TOUCHED his son! The primary goal of HHS/DHS/CPS adoptions MARKET (for MONETARY REWARDS) is immediately removing all parental rights for EVERY father who helps his young son, if he TOUCHES him. My copy of the Holy Bible tells about Jesus touching little children. Read Matthew 19:13-15, Mark 10:13-16, Luke 18:5-17 and Mark 7:10. The Intake Worker, in this case, said, "It is WRONG for a father to touch his child! A father should never help towel dry his young son after a shower or a bath! A father should NEVER dust bath powder on his young child! It is NOT acceptable!" That's her EXACT words in front of at least three witnesses! Oh, there's MUCH more that she said and did to injure both of these little children. A grievance was filed describing the treatment but was "MOOT" because "she no longer was an employee of OKDHS!" It is evident, according to the OKDHS Intake Worker's accusations, that if a young boy is NOT, for any reason, able to take care of his needs, the father is NOT the one to help teach him how to care for himself! "IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!" It's no wonder there are very few MALE nurses working in areas where children are the patients. MALE NURSES don't want to be charged with CHILD MOLESTATION if they touch a child. A male nurse is endangering his career especially IF he TOUCHES a male child! HHS/DHS/CPS has very minimal or NO interest in returning children to biological parents. If they're returned to the biological parent(s), HHS/DHS/CPS does NOT get the rewards and bonuses provided by ASFA and subsequent laws. Read the News Release by the Clinton Administration where he is requesting an unlimited amount of monetary rewards and bonuses in order to double adoptions each year from 1997-2002. Try looking up the number of children that have been adopted since 1997. Look at the rewards and bonuses that have ALREADY been passed out to various states. The Clinton Administration also requests that the juvenile justice system be rewarded special monetary benefits and privileges for assisting HHS/DHS/CPS in their adoptions efforts. IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY! Read the news release describing Clinton Administration's endeavors. Signs are now posted in many public areaa BEGGING for adoptive parents for 'older' children. OKDHS and other states are even trying to solicit adopive homes from other states and other countries so they can get the rewards and bonuses! Please write to your congressional leaders and your state legislative representatives asking that they look in depth at what is going on inside the walls of HHS/DHS/CPS. In OUR case, there are numerous lies! Look for them under my rip-off report in another report. I've asked OKDHS to: 1) name my three step sons, 2) tell me what our Kiowa Indian name is, 3) tell me how my grandchildren's bones were broken, 4) tell me the date I went to the school and visited with my grandson when the teacher informed the kinship home that his life was in danger. Tell me why the certifed letter containing three grievances was never received in the OKDHS Client Advocacy Office ... yet evidence reveals the grievances were dealt with. Very strange! One grievance reported the Oklahoma Adoptions Website was not working correctly. FRAUDULENT SITE! I used the site to e-mail a request to adopt a child who was found on the Oklahoma Adoption site. My request has yet to be found. That's been nearly two years! The sight has disappeared for some reason! Hmmmmmmmmmm? When I asked the OKDHS adoptions worker about my Adoption over the internet request, he told me that it sometimes takes a MONTH or more for an internet request for an adoption to process to the OKDHS Adoptions Unit. Again, I find it very strange that the site was taken off within about a week after the grievance was mailed by Certified Mail with RRR to the OKDHS Client Advocacy Office. HHS/DHS/CPS employees and contractors are NOT above lying about anything! Their primary interest is in ADOPTING children so they can get their rewards and bonuses! IT'S ALL about MONEY! I hope each reader will take the time to write or call his/her legislators and congressional representatives. Children shouldn't be prescribed mind-altering drugs or mind-altering counseling to overcome the lies and false accusations brought against his/her parent(s)! Of course, it is evident that drugging children is a way HHS/DHS/CPS can manage to twist their young minds around so their parent's rights will be removed IN ORDER FOR HHS/DHS/CPS TO ADOPT THEM TO THEIR CHOICE OF PARENT(S)! POOR LITTLE CHILDREN! THEY ARE FORCED THROUGH MIND-ALTERING DRUGS AND/OR MIND-ALTERING COUNSELING TO FORGET ABOUT EVER SEEING THEIR PARENTS AGAIN. One of the wonders of this case is that in mid-summer of 2003, the judge ORDERED that the grandmother visit with the foster parents ... but leaving the courtroom, the OKDHS Adoptions Worker ORDERED the grandmother to NOT follow the judge's ruling! OKDHS will do ANYTHING to permanently emotionally damage a child and destroy a family! One HHS/OKDHS/CPS contracted counselor had the young boy write a letter to his father stating, "Daddy, just tell the truth! Daddy, just tell the truth!" (The father has NOT been permitted to communicate with either child since September 30, 2001, two days before they were taken into custody after being assaulted on the local schoolbus. The father's parental rights were removed by a jury BECAUSE he didn't follow through with the divorce that OKDHS caseworker told him to get. She told him, after he called requesting parental assistance classes, that he should move from the house, take the children with him and get a divorce. He DID move from the house, moved the children to the grandmother's house and TRIED to get help for his wife.) When the trial was over and his parental rights removed by jurors, a conversation was overheard by those in the courtroom where the foster parent was told, "It's all right! We know the father is saying the same as the son. It doesn't matter! Just tell the boy that his father lied! If you don't tell him that his daddy lied, then WE will do it ourselves!" I'll go back to the letter that the boy sent to his father. The contractor knew the father was NOT allowed to respond to the letter. Yet, she purposefully had that letter written and delivered to the father's lawyer to prove to the young boy that his father "never wanted to see him again!" That's what his lawyer had told him a few weeks earlier. The OKDHS contracted counselor was reinforcing the lawyer's 'legal' counseling. How deplorable! If the father NEVER wanted to see his son again, why would he draw out all of his life savings, borrow every penny he could borrow and spend more than $100,000 to get the truth out? But, his lawyer told him, as recorded in the grandson's testimony during trial, that his "daddy never wanted to see him again!" His lawyer also told the jury that the father HAD ALREADY RELINQUISHED HIS PARENTING RIGHTS. His trial date had not EVEN been established! The judge had not EVEN been assigned to the case! Yet, the boy's court appointed lawyer told his mother's jury that he had ALREADY relinquished his parenting rights! PLEASE NOTE! OFFICIAL COURT RECORDS ARE AVAILABLE TO THOSE QUESTIONING ANY OF THESE STATEMENTS! THE TRUTH NEEDS TO BE TOLD! THIS IS MY MEANS OF GETTING THE TRUTH OUT TO THE PUBLIC! The Adoptions and Safe Family Act of 1997 and ALL subsequent supportive laws and policies should be immediately rescinded! Every child who has been ADOPTED as a result of these laws should be returned immediately to a member of the biological family! LET THE TRUTH BE KNOWN! CHILDREN need to be protected FROM HHS/DHS/CPS and court appointed lawyers whose sole desire is to permanently emotionally damage children!