Complaint Review: MOMs Win - Four Point - Melaleuca - Idaho Falls Idaho

Thank you! Why is that so hard for people to understand? A very gullible friend of mine bought into Melalueca and brought the guy who was "training him" on how to test his personal relationships. I told him right off the bat that  I don't believe a vitamin can do a thing for you that the fresh herb can't do better - for free!  I told him I make all of my familys needed laundry detergent, lotions, shampoos, cleaning supplies, deodorant, antiseptic wash and creams... yet he still tried to sell me!

It's disheartening to see this "christian" company prey on people like my friend, who's been searching for work for almost a year now. I know he can't afford the monthy base points required for the program. They were offering some kind of deal where instead of $29.95 it was $1. He still lost the sale because he can't sell something to me for cheaper than I can make it myself! I make everything smell they way I WANT them to and I make things  for friends and family, so whom would I pester to join my "hexagon" scheme? They can pay less for better, and I'll gladly tell them how to make these things themselves. That is because, unlike Melalueca, I care for my friends and family and wouldn't want them to waste their money giving it to a billionaire for something you can make yourself for less, and all organic non GMO. I use glass reusable bottles, and so the Melalueca would actually be adding more waste to a landfill & he still tried to sell me. Good for you, to see the scam when you did. You deeply care for your familys health and that's why educated yourself online to learn to make chemical free cleaners &  protect yourself & your children from known carcinogens and harmful chemicals. I hope these poor Melaueca reps read our posts and see why it's no different than any other company - They have you convinced you have to spend more $ if you love your family, and if you want to be a success. Women like you can change the world - tell you friends how to  do this too. Teach your children. Study herbs or find a good herbalist to teach you how to find the gifts Earth Mother has given us to care for ourselves. Blessings be ~ 

As a former Mom Team member I know that the "staying home and loving it" team started out by a MOMTeam member as well as "MomsWin" which from the sounds of it brought about 4-point... and so on... and so on...The idea of not changing teams is this. Your upline benifits from your downline. the team foots the bill to create these great websites and support and provide them to you for free because ... your success = their success and so on.. Why not look upline and contact someone from the team your team branched off of... for example if I had started with MomsWin and found I didnt like that team... I would look at my monthly statement and track up to the former team (you may be able to get that information from Melalueca directly) ... So in this example... find out who enrolled the founder of MomsWin and get a MOM Team website from them and switch teams. (since the founder of MomsWin started out as a MOM Team member before creating her own team) The way the compensation plan works your efforts still trickles up to that mentor farther upline and your success will still equal their success... They will be able to look at their downline report find you to confirm you are part of their business and set you up with the new website and team training and will be more then happy to help you ... because... your success = their success... No need to quit your business and start over... All of these Melaleuca teams are like cousins of each other, you just need to find the right uncle twice removed and contact them...=) (a little family tree humor) Good luck

Melaleuca does NOT work with any other company. You may be talking about working with a different group of 'friends' to help encourage each other if you are trying to make some money... but your information is totally incorrect! Who ever is in your 'up line' (as you called it) really should have been happy to help you. If you weren't getting anywhere with the people that were closest to you then do something, call someone else from the company, there are people listed on your buisness report that you can talk to (with their phone numbers listed!) And why in the world would you continue to get your back up order? Do you know how that works? Why not order what you need (if you really do use their products in your home) and get your 10% back on every order? They give it to you just because you order every month. For some reason you decide to keep getting your back up order then why not change it to something that you want? Seriously, it just sounds like these are problems that could easily be solved! Why would you wait around a year to get a job? Melaleuca is not going to pay your rent just because you bought something from them... If you want to make money introducing people to Melaleuca then you had better call the company to get other people to work with (or just read the materials that came in your kit). What have you been doing for a year? Do you think that if you ordered tupperware for a year that they would send you a paycheck? Do you think that if you shopped at Sam's Club they would send you a paycheck? What are you thinking?

I'm sorry for the bad experiences and completely understand where they come from. Enrollers not doing their jobs. We do provide training calls live and recorded through all of the Four Point Group websites. The Four Point Group does NOT make any money off of the leads that they suggest you use. I have used them and gotten results. It's a direct sales company. It takes time and effort to grow any business whether it's a restaurant or a home based business. I did not get much support from my enroller but have found wonderful people through Melaleuca who are helping me every step of the way to help me grow a business. It has to be worked to produce fruit. It can take a Minimum of 5 years in ANY business to get a profit. I have made a profit with this company. Melaleuca also provides training for your business for $8.95/month. It has helped me a great deal. There are enrollers who WILL help. There is only so much one enroller can do. At some point, you have to take ownership over your own business. I have done that. I love the products and people I work with. Melaleuca is working to clean out the enrollers who are not doing their jobs properly. It's only a matter of time before they get caught. Melaleuca is doing third party verification to make sure every person is given all details. You have to talk to a lot of people before you find the ones who need what you are offering. It's called Work at home for a reason.

You know, I was going to let this all go, as I have been in Melalueca myself and have my own stories to tell, but the last person who commented and made the statements about Mela being compared to MLM companies when it's not ... well, that was it for me, because this simply isn't true.... Any time you are dealing with a matrix - unlivel, bi-level - multi-level - IT"S and MLM compensation plan....... aka Multi-level marketing .... YES, it is direct to the consumer as far as shopping goes, however, the pay plan is MLM - and trust me... I was fed the same brainwashing stuff... told over and over to tell people "It's not an MLM, It's direct to the consumer". Split hairs all you like.... but what makes a half truth anything less than half a lie. People will believe what they want to to believe and companies like Amway, Herbalife, Excel.... gave MLM a bad name ... and so Mela does not want to be grouped in with those companies by calling it what it is as far as the business side? Also your Mr. Vandersloot refuses to let you market on the internet as he thinks the internet is full of sex and violence. If you read your policies and procedures, your contract can be canceled at will for doing so.... and what does everyone with Mela do? They market on the internet and hide behind team names so that they stay within the P&P, they refuse to give innocent people the name of the company until they drag or harrass you to a presentation.... How did you get that lead? On the internet, buying leads.... another fine hair to be split. Sorry, I should not have gotten started... and will swear off reading any more about this company. But one last word to the woman who made $3.00 - I made $4.90, spent more than I could ever count buying their leads, buying their sales material, buying more product than I could ever use in a lifetime.... close to two years later, I still have plenty of bath soap, laundry conditioner, house cleaning stuff.... AND it is not any better than anything I can buy at the store. ~jennifer

You know, I was going to let this all go, as I have been in Melalueca myself and have my own stories to tell, but the last person who commented and made the statements about Mela being compared to MLM companies when it's not ... well, that was it for me, because this simply isn't true.... Any time you are dealing with a matrix - unlivel, bi-level - multi-level - IT"S and MLM compensation plan....... aka Multi-level marketing .... YES, it is direct to the consumer as far as shopping goes, however, the pay plan is MLM - and trust me... I was fed the same brainwashing stuff... told over and over to tell people "It's not an MLM, It's direct to the consumer". Split hairs all you like.... but what makes a half truth anything less than half a lie. People will believe what they want to to believe and companies like Amway, Herbalife, Excel.... gave MLM a bad name ... and so Mela does not want to be grouped in with those companies by calling it what it is as far as the business side? Also your Mr. Vandersloot refuses to let you market on the internet as he thinks the internet is full of sex and violence. If you read your policies and procedures, your contract can be canceled at will for doing so.... and what does everyone with Mela do? They market on the internet and hide behind team names so that they stay within the P&P, they refuse to give innocent people the name of the company until they drag or harrass you to a presentation.... How did you get that lead? On the internet, buying leads.... another fine hair to be split. Sorry, I should not have gotten started... and will swear off reading any more about this company. But one last word to the woman who made $3.00 - I made $4.90, spent more than I could ever count buying their leads, buying their sales material, buying more product than I could ever use in a lifetime.... close to two years later, I still have plenty of bath soap, laundry conditioner, house cleaning stuff.... AND it is not any better than anything I can buy at the store. ~jennifer

You know, I was going to let this all go, as I have been in Melalueca myself and have my own stories to tell, but the last person who commented and made the statements about Mela being compared to MLM companies when it's not ... well, that was it for me, because this simply isn't true.... Any time you are dealing with a matrix - unlivel, bi-level - multi-level - IT"S and MLM compensation plan....... aka Multi-level marketing .... YES, it is direct to the consumer as far as shopping goes, however, the pay plan is MLM - and trust me... I was fed the same brainwashing stuff... told over and over to tell people "It's not an MLM, It's direct to the consumer". Split hairs all you like.... but what makes a half truth anything less than half a lie. People will believe what they want to to believe and companies like Amway, Herbalife, Excel.... gave MLM a bad name ... and so Mela does not want to be grouped in with those companies by calling it what it is as far as the business side? Also your Mr. Vandersloot refuses to let you market on the internet as he thinks the internet is full of sex and violence. If you read your policies and procedures, your contract can be canceled at will for doing so.... and what does everyone with Mela do? They market on the internet and hide behind team names so that they stay within the P&P, they refuse to give innocent people the name of the company until they drag or harrass you to a presentation.... How did you get that lead? On the internet, buying leads.... another fine hair to be split. Sorry, I should not have gotten started... and will swear off reading any more about this company. But one last word to the woman who made $3.00 - I made $4.90, spent more than I could ever count buying their leads, buying their sales material, buying more product than I could ever use in a lifetime.... close to two years later, I still have plenty of bath soap, laundry conditioner, house cleaning stuff.... AND it is not any better than anything I can buy at the store. ~jennifer

You know, I was going to let this all go, as I have been in Melalueca myself and have my own stories to tell, but the last person who commented and made the statements about Mela being compared to MLM companies when it's not ... well, that was it for me, because this simply isn't true.... Any time you are dealing with a matrix - unlivel, bi-level - multi-level - IT"S and MLM compensation plan....... aka Multi-level marketing .... YES, it is direct to the consumer as far as shopping goes, however, the pay plan is MLM - and trust me... I was fed the same brainwashing stuff... told over and over to tell people "It's not an MLM, It's direct to the consumer". Split hairs all you like.... but what makes a half truth anything less than half a lie. People will believe what they want to to believe and companies like Amway, Herbalife, Excel.... gave MLM a bad name ... and so Mela does not want to be grouped in with those companies by calling it what it is as far as the business side? Also your Mr. Vandersloot refuses to let you market on the internet as he thinks the internet is full of sex and violence. If you read your policies and procedures, your contract can be canceled at will for doing so.... and what does everyone with Mela do? They market on the internet and hide behind team names so that they stay within the P&P, they refuse to give innocent people the name of the company until they drag or harrass you to a presentation.... How did you get that lead? On the internet, buying leads.... another fine hair to be split. Sorry, I should not have gotten started... and will swear off reading any more about this company. But one last word to the woman who made $3.00 - I made $4.90, spent more than I could ever count buying their leads, buying their sales material, buying more product than I could ever use in a lifetime.... close to two years later, I still have plenty of bath soap, laundry conditioner, house cleaning stuff.... AND it is not any better than anything I can buy at the store. ~jennifer

I just wanted to tell you that you are with the wrong team, if you like the products, which there are many good ones, yes I know some thing you can buy in the store, just like with everything, but it is the quality that counts and when you find something you like you stick with it. And yes some prices are higher but if you walk into a department store and buy mac makeup Nicole miller is comparable in size and price but it is made with better things. As for not making money you need to drop the team your with and you need to find a group that is motivated in the right way. There are so many good marketing executives out there who have a whole team that tell the truth explain everything and yes actually help you make money and recruit people. Malaleuca (which seems to be compared to a mlm company) is a Consumer Direct Marketing Company the difference in MLM to CDM is that a Multi Level Marketing Company (like Mary Kay, Airbonne, etc.) is that the consultant gets the product from the company for a lower cost and sells it for catalog price which is more so there in lies the profit, however you must do parties, get bookings sell quotas, Malaleuca works the the way of only making money on selling but it is a consumer direct company, you as a consumer or a marketing exec. purchase the product directly from the company, by having the network of consumers thats where you make your money. You are not a distributor of product but of information on holding a membership to a wholesale catalog store. 9 out of 10 people do keep purchasing items, which as a marketing executive you make money on those people, as you keep buying someone is making off of you and it goes down or up. What makes this different then your average pyramid companies is the starts small and goes big, where as the others start large and get small, so eventually you have no more buisness, but with this as your company compresses over time the groups in the 8 and 9 and 10 spots (where you aren't making on them now) will compress up now these people have been solid customers over 10 -15 years and now your company that you just built is stronger then ever and the residuals is catastrophic. So my advice to you is get in with a better group, one that will explain all of this and truly help you make the money that is in this company, and I know that people come on this site and bash the company and the trend I am seeing is they all have a problem with the marketing consultant that signed them up. The product is good, and yes a lot of things you can buy in the store, but if anyone has been inside of a CVS lately the cost of simple items are a fortune, I'm walking out of there $50 - $60 on garbage, so I like to just get the things that I know are a good quality once a month and not think about it. Like dog shampoo, protein bars, the everyday cleaning spray with refill (that one lasts me for almost 3 months) and the laundry detergent and softener. They last so much longer then the one off the shelf for the same price and sometimes I cheat and buy myself some eye shadows and lipsticks from Nicole Miller. I haven't changed all of my habits but some and I so save money in the long run, because now when I run into the CVS or Supermarkets I only get what I need because certain things I know are already coming or I still have from the previous month. So to everyone who is a little crazy or who had a bad experience, you just had the wrong team if you were trying to make money and if you were just a consumer, you must of been the 1 out of the 10. The numbers don't lie, the reports, the fortune 500 mag and statistics still show a whopping 758 million, so do is to do some research, there are many ways and good strategies as to getting your business with Melaluca going and successful and find a good group to work with , it makes all the difference and when you actually start using the product it is good.

All information listed thus far is true to everyones feelings. I have been a business builder and a customer of this company since Sept 1999. I simply switched stores. Period. I wash my hair, brush my teeth, do my laundry, clean my house & look nice doing it - with the products from this company. I struggled building a business out of it. I purchased many many many many leads. I was on the phone litterly for hours. I got to Director in time alloted for bonuses. 8 years later, my son is still alive, can see and is healthy as a horse because he swallowd TnT instead of Tilex. I have created an environment that is safe for my children. That is worth more to me than the pathetic 50 to 125 product points I spend a month. Shouldnt your children and your health be worth that to you too? I do not get back up orders - I like my advantage dollars too much. I accumulated over 125 of them one year, used them for Christmas presents..... sure surprised my sister in law to get NM products, she knows how expensive it is in the department stores! Bottom line is, that these products work. The vitamins are patented. Do you realize that there are 85 plus thousand vitamins on the market in the US and Canada.... and not one of them are patented? This company spent mega time and money to patent theirs. Not Amway or Shaklee or any other crap you get elsewhere has taken the time to do that. Its all about the money. And yes I tried those companys too. You only get money on the first enrollment and nothing thereafter. Today I will go to the post office and get a check for the work that I did 8 years ago. That is called residual income! I do not build a business now, but I sure cash my check. Look into a mirror, and can you honestly tell yourself that you gave this company 110% of your dedication to make this work. I couldn't. It was a lie. I gave it maybe 55% of my efforts, maybe even less than that. My family and friends still call me up and ask me "what can I use to get this out?" or "What is good for this?" and I tell them, I purchase the stuff for them to help them out. I do not shove it down thier throats. I can still get it into thier lives one way or another. There are other people in this company that help out "orphins" I was one of them that mentored someone to reach Director status. Once she got there she was on her own. I cannot build a business for her, you do not get something for nothing. Did you actually expect your enroller to get you to ED and then let you soar? My enroller is a ED2 or 3 so maybe I am a special case and she is supportive, but I will leave you with this..... I started out in the team cant remember, went to MOMSWin, to Moms4Life, to TPO1, Entrepreneur Parents, back to MOMSWin, and one other. What did I get? A wealth of information from business builders from all over the world. I went to convention too and got great info - got to see that Frank is for real, that Eddie is not a fake, and that Alan is younger than me and making tons of money! I seen them all in the LIA - I shook hands with Business Leaders of the Year (Newbie's) Kristen is so pretty and Bruce is very down to earth. Met some great Canadians that were going CD - going on stage with Eddie to get that massive check. Find what makes you happy in life and go with that. But do not put this company down because you could not get rich quick, do not put this company down because you cannot read on your contract that you can quit at any time. Let me tell you the secret to quitting your business...... in writing, send a letter to them telling them you are no longer interested in safe non toxic products and that you failed as a business builder, dont forget your member number, address, phone number and all that info.... heres the inportant thing..... do this at the beginning of the month, fax it too, send it priority mail signature confirmation, I mean heck isnt 4.60 for the priority letter and 1.50 for signature confirmation better than suffering and waisting your time on this site? Oh and make sure you follow up with a phone call to make sure that (who ever signed the letter) gave your information to the proper person to cancel your membership and that you want to make sure you are not going to get a backup order. It comes down to this: if you spent as much time building your business as you do to this post..... you might have more people enrolled. Since you know your way around the web, utalize it, to your benifit, not for the negative - make it a positive. Look in the mirror tomorrow morning and say I will do it! I will build a better business and remember Rome was not created in a day or I will cancel my membership and call it good. Enough said.

I was looking on this site when I was trying to find another team from Melaleuca to work with. My husband and I were introduced to it last year by my son's friend's parents. We sat down, heard the presentation but what made me want to try it was their Nicole Miller products. I had heard about them and at the time was having serious face issues(from when my daughter was born)so we signed up and decided to give it all a try. I was Really! impressed with the products and the fact that my face was gorgeous in about 2 weeks! And even if you have no one under you and are buying your products and you only get $3 back. does walmart hand you a check on the way out the door for purchasing their merchandise? I think not. I wanted to work the business. We too were promised all of the help we would need and did get help. At first. It seemed like while I was signing up people they were our friends and more than willing to help us along and when life interferred and I didn't we were not worth their time. I also had a problem with one of the couple from the work go. The husband was arrogant, made ignorant comments to people, put people off by telling them how wonderful and rich he was, outright offended people, talked horribly about his wife when we were alone, lied about his income as well as the things HE did for the business and so on. He even yelled at me when I told him I didn't think I could make director that month when originally I thought I could. He berated me and whined because it would cost them their bonus he had been sure he'd get because I had assured him I would make director that month. He also yelled at me for telling people how they could include doing he Mela business in their present life instead of encouraging them to move on from what they did and embrace this totally. My husband fell for this and this is part of one of the disasters, when he listened and quit his job. Then the help from this guy stopped and his wife does all the work from home, conference calls and all that so he was the one that went out and did the presentations and stuff. He was supposed to call my husband to set up times to work and he wouldn't. Then he would lie to his wife when I complained to her and say my husband was supposed to call him and didn't when I was standing there and heard the conversation. We were caught between them which started numerous fights amongst ourselves. After this we didn't do anymore with this for quite a while. We didn't say much cause there wasn't alot to do abotu it. It was aways just a back and forth thing where we were made out to be liars cause afterall they were Executive directors and we were nothing. And their son was bestfriends with our son at the time so we kinda just let it go. Alot of things were going on in our life (all disasters basically) so we didn't work the business anymore, just got our check each month and our products. We decided after sometime that I would just work the business and if I had a question just call the wife, who I was friends with, or so I thought. Then we hit a problem. My husband and one of the other couple (the husband) made an arrangement for something that my husband does as another side job. And after a year! of this person having said merchandise and not paying for it we had to have it paid for. This turned into a huge deal He said horrible things to us, including we were lazy, didn't do anything to grow THEIR business so he didn't care if we worked the business or not, and some VERY PERSONAL insults which I cannot repeat on here. I sorta expected such from him as we had learned early on there was the way he was, then the way he was when his wife was around, but to have her say I was lying, and now to say I am lying about things SHE herself told me totally disgusts me. I called and VERY CALMLY (leaving a message cause they are to infantile to answer their phone if we call) that due to the present circumstances couldn't work with them. I couldn't work with someone who lied to us and since we were told we didn't do anything for them anyway we wanted to be moved to another organization. I figured this was a good thing since we weren't getting the help/support we needed anyway and I really needed the help with a non=profit who was interested in signing up as a fundraiser, and I could get out from under having to work with the husband who actually drove potential clients away. I got no reply. Called REPEATEDLY and they would never answer even though I knew they were there. I had business questions that needed answering and they refused to call me back. I was NICE everytime I called. finally I got the wife so I could change some information on my membership and she was nice when I went there to do it. After that tried calling more as I needed help. No answer, no return calls. I tried calling Melaleuca to find out how we could get moved and the answer was we couldn't. Unless we QUIT for a year. Why should we have to stop working our business? and not get our check? So I can be gracious for business. tried calling for help nothing. Left a message and finally get a call from someone way above us in our team. I talk to her and explain everything. And after much "I understand" I am told that the problems will be taken care of. I will hear back later. That is last week. So I call and call and call my emrollers. Leave messages and no answer. So I decided enough is enough. This is the end of the month, I have now had to move my meetings with the non profit to next month, I missed out on my check/bonuses cause I couldn't get help. So I decide to just drive over there. Wife is home not husband and do you KNOW what the people at Mela told our enroller? NOT to talk to me. WHY? I have not been mean, or ignorant. I have made it known I want moved and why but that I am trying to work the business and until such time I will work with them. So I have lost out on ALOT because of these people and I am very angry. We put up with ALOT to remain on a decent level with these people because they were our team, immediate enrollers and our sons friend. The husband has done stuff that Mela COMPLETELY frowns on and yet they tell them NOT to talk to us. Like we are these horrible people who are just bitching and complaining for nothing. I am totally disgusted. Totally. They are still trying to get us moved especially after tonight conversation in which I learned the wife is as much of a liar as the husband. I am so disappointed. I feel like we are being made out to be these lying people (we are not btw) who do nothing and are harrassing these poor Executive Directors. Makes me want to cry. And I am disappointed that MELA is making it so hard for us to find people who can help us build our business and making us stay under those who would love to see us fail. BUT what it doesn't do is make me want to quit. Quite the opposite. Hopefully, will find out tomorrow if we can get moved because I have a serious problem doing things that will help make our enrollers money. And I am sure if you were told by yours you didn't mkae them any money so you didn't need to work the business you would too. Either way though I am wanting to work. This is not an MLM people can call it that is they wish but it is not. If it was I coudln't pass these people by like i am going to do. I would only be able to rise if they did. And I am gonna. They say success is the best revenge so here we go. I need help. I need to find a team I can work with. I am in Michigan. I know there is a staying home and loving it team here I have seen their van but I can't find them. Or if anyone could help me build my business I would LOvE YOU FOR IT! I am honest, hardworking, I run another business out of my home so I know how to handle myself and talk to people. I am willing to work over the phone whatever it takes. So if anyone can contact me my username is also my yahoo ID so you can contact me via email since we cant list them here. Also NO ONE FROM WORK AT HOME UNITED PLEASE! Hope to hear from someone soon!

Bottom line--MLMs exist to make the most money for those at the top. The bottom people do all the work and make the investments and the fat cats rake in the cash. Doesn't matter what the product--good or bad. If a product is good enough and you need help selling it pay someone outright to sell for you, even if it is just commissions. No one, absolutely no one, should be required to buy the products from the company in order to be in the company. Do people who work for Wal-Mart have to buy Wal-Mart goods? NO. Someone said they worked for an insurance company, were you required to purchase insurance from them in order to work there--I doubt it. As far a the bad teams go, if the company is ethical then there should be more training for the upper level people in ethics and truth. Responsibility works both ways, when something sounds good and you are excited about making some cash sometimes you don't think. I agree that everyone should research anything they are getting into, however, anyone working with the public need to be truthful, forthcoming, and honest. They too need to share blame. In NA you learn to accept the blame for those you hurt during your drug use, however you also learn that you share blame as well with those who have hurt you. These Melaleuca-ites seem not to want to share responsibilty. When the company you work for hires people who are unethical and keep them you share the blame with them. Tell Melaleuca to purge the company of these people, tell them to provide some training in ethics and honesty for those that work for them. Better yet tell them to do what other manufacturers of household/toiletry/pharmaceuticals do--get a website and sell directly and/or open retail stores.

Hi. i'm responding to your problems with melalueca as a coworker also still buying my monthly obligation with out a return. i have found that accepting my position in this company because i really do just love the products is really not working well for me anymore. i have realized that there are many ways out there to make money with this company and many other just like. some of us are just not able to sell like others. there is help out there. just wanted to let you know. as said before by many others who have commented on this posting, every team is different. this is my second go round with this company and my team this time is ready and willing to help however they can. if you would like someone to make the calls with you or need any help, give me a call (or respond to this) i would be more then happy to help you out. as far as selling goes, cold calling is better then warm anytime. who wants to bother friends and family? i have told them all about the products and they use what i give them but i am not the kind to pressure friends and family. in short, find your comfort zone before giving up. do what works for you and show up the crappy group that you signed under. i know that it's frustrating calling the 800 # (when isnt it?) but you can find help on the wesite. aslo, search the internet for other possibilities out there for marketing. i just found one that i think will be usefull. (tedious i know) don't give up. there is no difference in this company and others using the same tactics. you have a love for the product in this case and that will help you find the motivation. i know that you have already put a year into it and are feeling very down about it now. (that is why i quite the first time) so hearing "just give it time" isn't really helpfull, but really, it is all about advertising. give me a shout and we can talk about this (or email) who knows?... maybe we could blow them all out of the water. :) best of luck to you, i'm sorry that you are having a tough time! but looking forward to hearing from you! michelle

I am glad for the information on this website. I almost fell prey to this Women's Dream Team scam. Today, 4/20/07 at 2:00PM, I was invited to their webcam for a introduction. It was very misleading according to everything that has been posted here. I asked questions and they did not respond, I again asked a few questions and they blocked my messages. Questions like: where are the products manufactured, etc. Thank you for the warning. I should send my $29.00 to someone who has been ripped off by Melaleuca.

I am a Marketing Exec with Melaleuca for a month now and so far have had several leads I have purchased some I did advertise for free. I've had enrollments already in my first month. I followed the training they have and put an ample amount of time into it. I have been pleased with the products completely have never seen anything like them. That was not a selling ploy either. I have to agree with the lady who is the Insurance Agent. I am a former licensed one myself. With ANY business you have to put in your time and investment and YOUR energy into making YOUR business work for you. You can't get something for nothing and nothing in business ever comes easy. Use perseverance and consistency. If you hear something that sounds like it's not something you can be dedicated to seriously then walk away. Go ahead and do your research if you must to decide. I have never had one problem with my mentor or mentor above her for help. I have not been ripped off and I have not been pressured to keep my membership. It's all your choice. Read your info check things out and understand first, before you judge.

I signed up for Melaleuca in 2005 under the Four Point Moms team. I was pushed to work my warm market. I don't have a successful warm market. My mentor was not what I expected I did not recieve the Training I expected. I was also a NEW mom and could not put the attention into it that I wanted. I canceled a few months later and got a FULL refund, no questions asked. I then came accross Melaleuca and the Succeeding From Home team in 2006. I am currently a Director working my way to Director 2 at pacesetter time. I have had so much more training and a total differents in my "mentors" from this team. All trams are different and you just have to find the right one. Just like everything else in life. " you have to sort out the bad apples"! I am slowly but surely making the money I wanted. This isn't a get rich quick deal. You have to work, and the more you put into it the more you get. I just want to say good luck to the people that wrote bad coments about Melaleuca, because Melaleuca can not control the Teams under them. They are just the Product company. I sugess to everyone looking at Melalueca to look at all your options and choose your team wisely. Thanks Jaclyn - PA

I humbly write the following lines out of the respect for our great country and economical system. Our economy is base on competition and nothing else. It is this drive to competitive creativity that allows us to better ourselves and our country. I'm a customer of Mela's products and believe in the research and development and manufacturing of such products. I also like the "Distributional Channel" that is used to market the product. It is this strategy that allows Mela to compete with the Giants of the personal maintanence industry - such as P & G, and J & J. The strategy of P & G and J & J is to invest a share of their profits into research and development, TV ads, newspaper ads, radio ads, Internet marketing, and finally retail specials that make them so successful at selling their products through the conventional way of distribution. I believe that the majority of the American public shop at Wal-Mart, Jwels-Osco, and the like. And at one moment or another, have had a bad experience with the service at the store, the rude attitude towards the consumer, and the cleaningless of the environment. And negatives have been mention to the managers, employees, and to the BBB. I believe such is the case with the consumers complaint here in this post. Now, as a consumer if I don't like the product -I will go with the company that supplies me with the best natural ingrediants, manufacturing process, quality, and finally price. But now that our country is finding out the results of manufacturing products with the industrial-age mentality, and that certain ingrediants, and production procedures are hazerouds to our health and that of our loved ones - we as the end-consumer must make the choice between products that enrich our life, or those that poisoned us. I buy Mela's products because its safer for my family and me. And its better quality than any other product at the retail store. In addition, what Mela does for the end-consumer is just awesome! And the opportunity they present to the end-consumer is huge! Economically speaking, Mela allows people to be consumers in one hand and make money by referring the products, not the company. It is this channel of distribution that allows my family the opportunity to purchase Mela product. And I like it that way. In my own opinion on our economy - I think that a capitalist economy is build around the leverage of its equal parts. See, in my thinking, I believe that the market dictates ones' value economically. But, the economy does not dictate that -we as part of it- should be just one thing in it. What I mean by it is this: one can be a consumer and a distributor; one can be a professional and an athlete; one can have a family and a company. And that is the one thing that we Americans don't seem to comprehend. We can be an employee of a big company and small business owner in the same day. "Each of us needs all of us, and all of us needs each of us." Or, the trade of money from one hand to another, to another, to another, to another...etc. Is how our economy works, and everyone should work to be part of it. Therefore, if the consumer who wrote this post as a ripoff of the time, energy, effort, and monetary value - did it to complaint of the opportunity that was some how taken from her, or not being something attainable. Falcon, must realize that our economy is base of production and creativity. If one does not produce, one will not see the monetary rewards that come as a result of the production. If the support was not there, then look for it. And the motivation is not there. Then dream up your own goals, and motivate yourself - you're not a tree. You are a working part of our great economy. And if you are going to use the products that Mela produces - use them. But if the skills to successfully build a business are not master by you at the time - take your time to be more productive within yourself. And then, pour your skill in the market place by distributing a whole lot of it and if you produce you will be rewarded by the principles of our great economy. Hope this helps. And hope that the meaning of gratitude lives well in you for you to be fulfill and happy. Or at least - be fulfill in your pursuit of happiness. Give 2 get = Life. JR

I joined Staying Home And Loving it after someone told me about how great and safe there products were plus I could make money! So of course i joined up. But I wasn't working part time it was ALL the time. So then I started buying leads and more advertisment. Guess what, all that did was waste even more money. I am not saying this company wont work for everyone, just you have to have alot of money and time to put in it. It isn't for a young mother with 2 small children on a tight budget. I did like the products and loved how they were safer, just didnt like having to spend a certain amont each month. When I called to cancel, and the woman tried to make me feel bad for not wanting 'safer' products which made me dislike the company even more. Now I make my own household products that are chemical free, work great, and cost ALOT less. You can find tons of great recipes on the internet.

First of all, I think you need to sit back and look at yourself in the mirror. No one forced you to join this or any other company - so quit! Quit complaining. MLM, Melaleuca included are all tough pulls, but if you focus on helping people make money thru these vehicles you will feel better about it all. Product pushers never win - you have to ask people if there are any other alternatives out there in which, done right, can bring home this kind of money to help people be able to retire, pay some bills etc. MLM companies are not responsible for the people in the organization's laziness or lack of enthusiasm. If you whine and wait for someone to do your work for you (and little work it really is) then you will never make it. Don't even look at any others if you haven't been able to bring even 1 person into your organization who needs money. Don't depend on your uplines - you are responsible for you and your downline only. Learn how to be smart, stay focused and remain excited. I too have failed, but I have also learned. It is up to each one of us to find a way to help people secure their future. It can be done - but with zillions of mlm's and products you have to have a belief that the money is there by just starting with a few and through the geometric progression of numbers it will grow, but only if you find people who also want the money. Spend your time on yourself and developing a belief in the opportunity - not the products. Not everyone is going to like the products - but guess what - everyone likes the idea of being with a team that wants to make money. You only need a few people, but for goodness sakes - pre-qualify them. Don't look for deadbeats - look for excited, happy people that say - what the heck - I'll give it a go. Once you do that you will find them - but, hey what's the rush? Rome was not built in a day. If you build slowly, with quality people, you will build a strong group of people that want to be able to quit work or not work forever, because there is no retirement or social security out there for very many of us (if any of us). Buck up and do what you have to do.

I have been a customer of Melaleuca for 5 years now, and love ordering and receiving the products each month. But no one home business or product line is going to work for everyone. But let's get real here, when you read the complaints, it reeks of whinning and complaining, not a measured, business-like response. If you decide to start your own business, be in from home, through a company like this, or your own store or service, it takes a lot of work, effort and heart. It takes perseverence and the necessary drive and patience to keep working and learn from your mistakes. Many of these complaints are from people who expected a check to simply appear each month with themselves personally not doing a thing. Can you imagine a store owner never opening their doors, keeping inconsistent hours, not doing what it takes to find customers, and not showing up to work because they don't "feel" like it. I agree that there are many wonderful, safe and good products available in stores, from catalogs etc. Melaleuca isn't "god", it's just a company. Why take it so personally? If you didn't get good response from your enroller you should have called the company. I've called the companywith various issues and complaints over the years, I have never once been given any phone tag run around. In fact, I've dealt with phone companies, cable companies etc, and never found anything like the level of service that I've found dealing with Melaleuca. It all comes down to attitude. There is a saying : how you do one thing is how you do everything. If you approach life thinking it will be handed to you from the sky, someone else will solve your problems, someone else will do the work for you, then you will continue to be dissatified with your life and how it turns out. What surprises me is the poster who is so bitter about receiving a back up order each month. If you hate the products and the company so much, how come you are still a customer? Quit bellaching, send in your cancellation letter and get a hobby. Work with the needy or disadvantaged people in your town, feed the hungry. Do something worthwhile with your life. LIfe is too short to complain about everything- move on and be happy. G in Canada

I have been a customer of Melaleuca for 5 years now, and love ordering and receiving the products each month. But no one home business or product line is going to work for everyone. But let's get real here, when you read the complaints, it reeks of whinning and complaining, not a measured, business-like response. If you decide to start your own business, be in from home, through a company like this, or your own store or service, it takes a lot of work, effort and heart. It takes perseverence and the necessary drive and patience to keep working and learn from your mistakes. Many of these complaints are from people who expected a check to simply appear each month with themselves personally not doing a thing. Can you imagine a store owner never opening their doors, keeping inconsistent hours, not doing what it takes to find customers, and not showing up to work because they don't "feel" like it. I agree that there are many wonderful, safe and good products available in stores, from catalogs etc. Melaleuca isn't "god", it's just a company. Why take it so personally? If you didn't get good response from your enroller you should have called the company. I've called the companywith various issues and complaints over the years, I have never once been given any phone tag run around. In fact, I've dealt with phone companies, cable companies etc, and never found anything like the level of service that I've found dealing with Melaleuca. It all comes down to attitude. There is a saying : how you do one thing is how you do everything. If you approach life thinking it will be handed to you from the sky, someone else will solve your problems, someone else will do the work for you, then you will continue to be dissatified with your life and how it turns out. What surprises me is the poster who is so bitter about receiving a back up order each month. If you hate the products and the company so much, how come you are still a customer? Quit bellaching, send in your cancellation letter and get a hobby. Work with the needy or disadvantaged people in your town, feed the hungry. Do something worthwhile with your life. LIfe is too short to complain about everything- move on and be happy. G in Canada

I have been a customer of Melaleuca for 5 years now, and love ordering and receiving the products each month. But no one home business or product line is going to work for everyone. But let's get real here, when you read the complaints, it reeks of whinning and complaining, not a measured, business-like response. If you decide to start your own business, be in from home, through a company like this, or your own store or service, it takes a lot of work, effort and heart. It takes perseverence and the necessary drive and patience to keep working and learn from your mistakes. Many of these complaints are from people who expected a check to simply appear each month with themselves personally not doing a thing. Can you imagine a store owner never opening their doors, keeping inconsistent hours, not doing what it takes to find customers, and not showing up to work because they don't "feel" like it. I agree that there are many wonderful, safe and good products available in stores, from catalogs etc. Melaleuca isn't "god", it's just a company. Why take it so personally? If you didn't get good response from your enroller you should have called the company. I've called the companywith various issues and complaints over the years, I have never once been given any phone tag run around. In fact, I've dealt with phone companies, cable companies etc, and never found anything like the level of service that I've found dealing with Melaleuca. It all comes down to attitude. There is a saying : how you do one thing is how you do everything. If you approach life thinking it will be handed to you from the sky, someone else will solve your problems, someone else will do the work for you, then you will continue to be dissatified with your life and how it turns out. What surprises me is the poster who is so bitter about receiving a back up order each month. If you hate the products and the company so much, how come you are still a customer? Quit bellaching, send in your cancellation letter and get a hobby. Work with the needy or disadvantaged people in your town, feed the hungry. Do something worthwhile with your life. LIfe is too short to complain about everything- move on and be happy. G in Canada

I have been a customer of Melaleuca for 5 years now, and love ordering and receiving the products each month. But no one home business or product line is going to work for everyone. But let's get real here, when you read the complaints, it reeks of whinning and complaining, not a measured, business-like response. If you decide to start your own business, be in from home, through a company like this, or your own store or service, it takes a lot of work, effort and heart. It takes perseverence and the necessary drive and patience to keep working and learn from your mistakes. Many of these complaints are from people who expected a check to simply appear each month with themselves personally not doing a thing. Can you imagine a store owner never opening their doors, keeping inconsistent hours, not doing what it takes to find customers, and not showing up to work because they don't "feel" like it. I agree that there are many wonderful, safe and good products available in stores, from catalogs etc. Melaleuca isn't "god", it's just a company. Why take it so personally? If you didn't get good response from your enroller you should have called the company. I've called the companywith various issues and complaints over the years, I have never once been given any phone tag run around. In fact, I've dealt with phone companies, cable companies etc, and never found anything like the level of service that I've found dealing with Melaleuca. It all comes down to attitude. There is a saying : how you do one thing is how you do everything. If you approach life thinking it will be handed to you from the sky, someone else will solve your problems, someone else will do the work for you, then you will continue to be dissatified with your life and how it turns out. What surprises me is the poster who is so bitter about receiving a back up order each month. If you hate the products and the company so much, how come you are still a customer? Quit bellaching, send in your cancellation letter and get a hobby. Work with the needy or disadvantaged people in your town, feed the hungry. Do something worthwhile with your life. LIfe is too short to complain about everything- move on and be happy. G in Canada

In MLM, there is a relatively little known aspect referred to as "The Tools Business." In general, people who head their own teams or large downline organizations provide "tools" which are either pushed or, in some cases, made virtually mandatory. They are not directly connected to the MLM and do not come from that company, nor are they approved by that company. Rather, they are money making venturs of the upline and are touted as being necessary to maximize your potential in the "business." They may be any number of things such as books or tapes or those signs you see stapled to telephone poles on highways telling you that you can make $5,000 in your pajamas at home working part-time. What they have in common is that they cost you money, out of pocket, in addition to whatever else you have to spend to be part of your organization, and the money goes straight to your upline. Before some of you get angry, do some research - go to Yahoo Groups and search the terms "tools business" +MLM - you'll see much more info on it. Years ago I knew a man who ran a massive downline. About half of his profits came from sale of tools (he created a separate company for this) including books he self-published and sold and tapes he recorded of himself giving motivational talks, which he also sold. And newsletters. And conference calls. Lead sales. And workshops, etc. To Falcon, I feel for you. You've tried hard, had hope, and it hasn't worked out. I think the group you mentioned is a competing Melaleuca organization which is promising you better support. I would caution you that no matter how good they say their support is, it may not be enough to help you make a good net income from Melaleuca (or any MLM.) Very few people make it with MLM, and many lose more than they can afford along with hundreds and hundreds of hours of their time. In the end, they get some of what you received here - a couple of people condemning you and dismissing you for not being happy with Melaleuca and your upline and shaming you for not working even harder, in spite of understanding that as your situation currently stands, it probably can't generate the kind of success you want or were promised. Smart businesspeople can review where they are objectively and *unemotionally* in their business, and decide whether it makes sense to continue down the same path, change course or shut down a venture before taking further personal and financial losses. The latter doesn't make you a quitter. It just means that you are reasonable and logical. DON'T let anyone browbeat you into staying in a business or anything else that's not working for you. And only you can determine that. Best of Luck.

This company tied to recruit me. I didn't have a computer at the this happened. So reading my email was an adventure. Load the kids in the car and off to the library. Once at the library it was a chore to get to read the emails or respond to any of them. September 05 i answered a couple regarding like to win this all ya gotta do is fill out this or that. I filed a few reports online against 1rate.com and some magazine companies. That night i got a phone call from Moms thing. That girl made it sound great, was a good idea blah blah blah. First of all some of us moms don't have the time to do research. Each of us have our own skill levels of how to handle # kids, house work, etc...In general moms can have 2-6 full time jobs(mom,wife,accountant,housekeeper, ansewering service) Actuall yi could go on telling a story for hours. I do we know that thes rebutals are even written by good honest hard working stay at home moms. These could be just a couple of scammers, computer hacks that figured out about the website (in fact i told the girl on the phone that i would be looking for the company through this web site). To keep a good scam going you can't get a bad rep, because then it fails. They could have 1000's of people in on it, just like magazines companies who all claim to be the same company till you get the bill and oops it's not. So people, you all can get online say what you want, and say what ever you gotta say to help you sleep at night. IF IT"S SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE THEN IT MUST NOT BE TRUE. Even if you have some little doubt don't do it. People now have the power and the smarts to rip off unsuspecting people, and there not afraid to do it. It's the age of technology, and i'm sure that everyone will have the get rich schemes. So beware because computer hackers are everywhere.

I have recently been approached regarding Melaleuca and of course, like I would always do, set out to research it to see if it would benefit me. I've been reading through the complaints and as an outside observer, and someone who has been in sales for many years, I have a few observations to consider to avoid being in a situation such as this. All home based businesses (HBB) are similiar. They each have various differences but it's common that you will likely have to purchase something (start-up costs). I sold insurance prior to being a Stay at home mom and there was a cost there as well. I researched many HBB and eventually decided on Tupperware but I still have to buy the catalogs, had to buy the starter kit, I have to spend some money to make money. It seems like many of these complaints could have been avoided if people had taken the time to research this company fully. I don't think it's a scam. HAving to buy leads is the same in any sales organization. As a licensed agent, I get offers to purchase leads weekly. Some companies buy them for you, you can't use a phone book to generate your own leads because unlike the purchased lists, your phone book isn't "scrubbed"-cleared of people who are not on the "do not call registry". If you operate as a business and you call someone on that registry, YOU can be fined heavily for violating it. A lead company crosschecks these lists with the registry to protect you and that is part of what you are purchasing. If they wouldn't give you the name of the company until after you signed up, then it seems to be an individual business operator's tactic to gain more recruits. It seems as though a rational person would not take that step- starting a business, without getting full disclosure. I have learned from these posts that there are recurring charges. I have also learned it through the contract (which I did sign a contract with Tupperware- all of these HBB have some form of contracts) and since I couldn't afford a recurring monthly charge (or foresee that I might not be able to afford it should something happen) I'm not going to do it but it's not because this company is a fraud. I think that many of you have to take responsibility for not doing your homework before you invested your money. Also remember that a recruiter will highlight the advantages and your possible potential. The US Army recruiters don't talk about your possibility of dying on the job. They tell you about your getting an education, seeing the world, on the job training...They're not going to tell you that might not make anything. As in ANY HBB, you get a return on whatever effort you put in. This also includes any sales job for a company. The difference is, you are the boss in a HBB. You lose money for yourself and only yourself. Throughout these complaints you could easily interchange Melaleuca with Mary Kay or Avon (one friend of mine spent hundreds on Mary Kay product that she was never able to sell. I attempted Avon when I was 19 and ended up buying all of my samples and never making any money- my fault because I didn't pursue it) Be smart and do your research and be realistic. It may be a HBB but it is still a business and in business you work.

I have recently been approached regarding Melaleuca and of course, like I would always do, set out to research it to see if it would benefit me. I've been reading through the complaints and as an outside observer, and someone who has been in sales for many years, I have a few observations to consider to avoid being in a situation such as this. All home based businesses (HBB) are similiar. They each have various differences but it's common that you will likely have to purchase something (start-up costs). I sold insurance prior to being a Stay at home mom and there was a cost there as well. I researched many HBB and eventually decided on Tupperware but I still have to buy the catalogs, had to buy the starter kit, I have to spend some money to make money. It seems like many of these complaints could have been avoided if people had taken the time to research this company fully. I don't think it's a scam. HAving to buy leads is the same in any sales organization. As a licensed agent, I get offers to purchase leads weekly. Some companies buy them for you, you can't use a phone book to generate your own leads because unlike the purchased lists, your phone book isn't "scrubbed"-cleared of people who are not on the "do not call registry". If you operate as a business and you call someone on that registry, YOU can be fined heavily for violating it. A lead company crosschecks these lists with the registry to protect you and that is part of what you are purchasing. If they wouldn't give you the name of the company until after you signed up, then it seems to be an individual business operator's tactic to gain more recruits. It seems as though a rational person would not take that step- starting a business, without getting full disclosure. I have learned from these posts that there are recurring charges. I have also learned it through the contract (which I did sign a contract with Tupperware- all of these HBB have some form of contracts) and since I couldn't afford a recurring monthly charge (or foresee that I might not be able to afford it should something happen) I'm not going to do it but it's not because this company is a fraud. I think that many of you have to take responsibility for not doing your homework before you invested your money. Also remember that a recruiter will highlight the advantages and your possible potential. The US Army recruiters don't talk about your possibility of dying on the job. They tell you about your getting an education, seeing the world, on the job training...They're not going to tell you that might not make anything. As in ANY HBB, you get a return on whatever effort you put in. This also includes any sales job for a company. The difference is, you are the boss in a HBB. You lose money for yourself and only yourself. Throughout these complaints you could easily interchange Melaleuca with Mary Kay or Avon (one friend of mine spent hundreds on Mary Kay product that she was never able to sell. I attempted Avon when I was 19 and ended up buying all of my samples and never making any money- my fault because I didn't pursue it) Be smart and do your research and be realistic. It may be a HBB but it is still a business and in business you work.

I have recently been approached regarding Melaleuca and of course, like I would always do, set out to research it to see if it would benefit me. I've been reading through the complaints and as an outside observer, and someone who has been in sales for many years, I have a few observations to consider to avoid being in a situation such as this. All home based businesses (HBB) are similiar. They each have various differences but it's common that you will likely have to purchase something (start-up costs). I sold insurance prior to being a Stay at home mom and there was a cost there as well. I researched many HBB and eventually decided on Tupperware but I still have to buy the catalogs, had to buy the starter kit, I have to spend some money to make money. It seems like many of these complaints could have been avoided if people had taken the time to research this company fully. I don't think it's a scam. HAving to buy leads is the same in any sales organization. As a licensed agent, I get offers to purchase leads weekly. Some companies buy them for you, you can't use a phone book to generate your own leads because unlike the purchased lists, your phone book isn't "scrubbed"-cleared of people who are not on the "do not call registry". If you operate as a business and you call someone on that registry, YOU can be fined heavily for violating it. A lead company crosschecks these lists with the registry to protect you and that is part of what you are purchasing. If they wouldn't give you the name of the company until after you signed up, then it seems to be an individual business operator's tactic to gain more recruits. It seems as though a rational person would not take that step- starting a business, without getting full disclosure. I have learned from these posts that there are recurring charges. I have also learned it through the contract (which I did sign a contract with Tupperware- all of these HBB have some form of contracts) and since I couldn't afford a recurring monthly charge (or foresee that I might not be able to afford it should something happen) I'm not going to do it but it's not because this company is a fraud. I think that many of you have to take responsibility for not doing your homework before you invested your money. Also remember that a recruiter will highlight the advantages and your possible potential. The US Army recruiters don't talk about your possibility of dying on the job. They tell you about your getting an education, seeing the world, on the job training...They're not going to tell you that might not make anything. As in ANY HBB, you get a return on whatever effort you put in. This also includes any sales job for a company. The difference is, you are the boss in a HBB. You lose money for yourself and only yourself. Throughout these complaints you could easily interchange Melaleuca with Mary Kay or Avon (one friend of mine spent hundreds on Mary Kay product that she was never able to sell. I attempted Avon when I was 19 and ended up buying all of my samples and never making any money- my fault because I didn't pursue it) Be smart and do your research and be realistic. It may be a HBB but it is still a business and in business you work.

I have recently been approached regarding Melaleuca and of course, like I would always do, set out to research it to see if it would benefit me. I've been reading through the complaints and as an outside observer, and someone who has been in sales for many years, I have a few observations to consider to avoid being in a situation such as this. All home based businesses (HBB) are similiar. They each have various differences but it's common that you will likely have to purchase something (start-up costs). I sold insurance prior to being a Stay at home mom and there was a cost there as well. I researched many HBB and eventually decided on Tupperware but I still have to buy the catalogs, had to buy the starter kit, I have to spend some money to make money. It seems like many of these complaints could have been avoided if people had taken the time to research this company fully. I don't think it's a scam. HAving to buy leads is the same in any sales organization. As a licensed agent, I get offers to purchase leads weekly. Some companies buy them for you, you can't use a phone book to generate your own leads because unlike the purchased lists, your phone book isn't "scrubbed"-cleared of people who are not on the "do not call registry". If you operate as a business and you call someone on that registry, YOU can be fined heavily for violating it. A lead company crosschecks these lists with the registry to protect you and that is part of what you are purchasing. If they wouldn't give you the name of the company until after you signed up, then it seems to be an individual business operator's tactic to gain more recruits. It seems as though a rational person would not take that step- starting a business, without getting full disclosure. I have learned from these posts that there are recurring charges. I have also learned it through the contract (which I did sign a contract with Tupperware- all of these HBB have some form of contracts) and since I couldn't afford a recurring monthly charge (or foresee that I might not be able to afford it should something happen) I'm not going to do it but it's not because this company is a fraud. I think that many of you have to take responsibility for not doing your homework before you invested your money. Also remember that a recruiter will highlight the advantages and your possible potential. The US Army recruiters don't talk about your possibility of dying on the job. They tell you about your getting an education, seeing the world, on the job training...They're not going to tell you that might not make anything. As in ANY HBB, you get a return on whatever effort you put in. This also includes any sales job for a company. The difference is, you are the boss in a HBB. You lose money for yourself and only yourself. Throughout these complaints you could easily interchange Melaleuca with Mary Kay or Avon (one friend of mine spent hundreds on Mary Kay product that she was never able to sell. I attempted Avon when I was 19 and ended up buying all of my samples and never making any money- my fault because I didn't pursue it) Be smart and do your research and be realistic. It may be a HBB but it is still a business and in business you work.

Unfortunately when you break it down it is just another MLM. Don't get me wrong, it's a much better MLM than Amway or other direct selling opportunities, but it's an MLM just the same. And people can rebut what I've said - I know the script people I've used it before. I thought that Melaleuca was the answer to my prayers a year ago. I joined up with one of the teams mentioned here because I liked being part of a "Mom" organization to help my family. I liked having my own business and making my own business cards and having my own website. What I found that I didn't like was the huge phone bill (even with the long distance plan) and the large monthly Melaleuca purchase that I had to make. And yes, I do take showers, wear makeup, use lotion, use vitamins, etc. but I just don't spend that much money on them! I don't like the Nicole Miller makeup, I'm too pale for it. I've had to return the foundation and powder. The Mela vitamins are too expensive, even my Dr. said that I was wasting my money on them and to spend the extra money on nutritious foods instead of hyped up vitamins (there's a thought!). The cleaners are good, I love Sol-U-Mel, I also love the soap too. The protein shakes and bars are waaaay overpriced (go to vitaglo.com and buy myoplex - much cheaper!). The laundry detergent didn't clean my clothes at all, the dishsoap didn't work on my dishes either - they were still dirty. I signed up to do this through a Christian work at home website so I felt good about it! What I realized after several months is that I didn't like the fact that is is modeled after a pyramid (I didn't say pyramid scheme people!), just like an MLM. And the main part of my business was getting other people to sign up...to get other people to sign up to get other people to sign up and so on. To me, that just isn't an honest way to make money. Just my honest opinion.

I join Melalueca 4 Months ago and my first Cheque was for Over $300 and I have 17 people in my organization. I join and stayed join because of the product I will continue to use them should I get money or no money. Having and keeping this attitude from day one mean's I don't stress over it, I'm not greedy for money which people seem to become. I just tell people about the product I don't sell it (I don't need to the product sell themselves) or rush people into it because I hate people that try that on with me. And I feel that this has been the key to my success. I just say give them a go there's a 3 month money back, and if you like the stuff I'll help you run your business if you want to do that. And remember if you are trying to sell it before you've tried a large proportion of the product your doing it wrong , it won't work, you come across pushy and fake.

I join Melalueca 4 Months ago and my first Cheque was for Over $300 and I have 17 people in my organization. I join and stayed join because of the product I will continue to use them should I get money or no money. Having and keeping this attitude from day one mean's I don't stress over it, I'm not greedy for money which people seem to become. I just tell people about the product I don't sell it (I don't need to the product sell themselves) or rush people into it because I hate people that try that on with me. And I feel that this has been the key to my success. I just say give them a go there's a 3 month money back, and if you like the stuff I'll help you run your business if you want to do that. And remember if you are trying to sell it before you've tried a large proportion of the product your doing it wrong , it won't work, you come across pushy and fake.

I join Melalueca 4 Months ago and my first Cheque was for Over $300 and I have 17 people in my organization. I join and stayed join because of the product I will continue to use them should I get money or no money. Having and keeping this attitude from day one mean's I don't stress over it, I'm not greedy for money which people seem to become. I just tell people about the product I don't sell it (I don't need to the product sell themselves) or rush people into it because I hate people that try that on with me. And I feel that this has been the key to my success. I just say give them a go there's a 3 month money back, and if you like the stuff I'll help you run your business if you want to do that. And remember if you are trying to sell it before you've tried a large proportion of the product your doing it wrong , it won't work, you come across pushy and fake.

I join Melalueca 4 Months ago and my first Cheque was for Over $300 and I have 17 people in my organization. I join and stayed join because of the product I will continue to use them should I get money or no money. Having and keeping this attitude from day one mean's I don't stress over it, I'm not greedy for money which people seem to become. I just tell people about the product I don't sell it (I don't need to the product sell themselves) or rush people into it because I hate people that try that on with me. And I feel that this has been the key to my success. I just say give them a go there's a 3 month money back, and if you like the stuff I'll help you run your business if you want to do that. And remember if you are trying to sell it before you've tried a large proportion of the product your doing it wrong , it won't work, you come across pushy and fake.

William Thank you for the info I will look into it. As for me I am finished with MomsWin/Fourpoint/ melalueca. Lesson learned the hard way. It is my hope that my posts and the responces I have recieved will help others to get an idea of what type of company they are really dealing with and avoid costly mistakes.

William Said=========== File a complaint with the FTC at www.ftc.gov ======================= The FTC does not protect people from their own inability to say no. The FTC does not protect people from their own stupidity in signing an agreement without first reading it. The FTC does not protect people from their own laziness or inability to enroll customers, and expectations that someone in their support group will build their business for them.

Falcon, I don't know why you are debating with people that just want to argue with jibberish. Time to file a complaint with the FTC and be done with it. It's a waste of time debating these people. File a complaint with the FTC at www.ftc.gov That is the only way to get this group stopped

I responded to an online ad for Melalueca. Immediately, I was hounded both by online messages and phone calls to my home for 2 days until I responded back. The woman I spoke to told me I had only 2 days to join as she was leaving town early Sunday morning. I spoke to her on Friday night. I filled out the online form and gave my information. Then, she sent me to a site where I was to agree to the online contract. In this contract it stated that Melalueca could cancel a product without further notice, and would most likely charge more for a replacement. It also stated that if money was inadvertently taken from my checking account, or other mistakes were made, Melalueca could not be held responsible. I then contacted the woman and told her "No" in no uncertain terms, that I had "red flags spouting up all over the place." Then she appologized for putting me in such a hurry, and that I could call her Sunday at noon time to talk with her farther. Then is when I realized what was going on. She had previously told me that she was leaving to go out of town early that Sunday morning. I am so relieved that I did not get taken in by this company, and sorry for those who have and it is not a good experience.

Falcon, I'm sorry that you have not received the support you were promised, but I would like to clarify a few things. FALCON SAID========== Personally I think the leads are another part of the money making scheme here. You pay for a list of phone numbers of potential customers to call. In other words you pay them for the privelage to tele-market thier businness. You could get a phone book and do that for free and probably get the same results as you do with their leads. Were is that team spirit and support, and how they were going to give me all the tools I needed to be sucessful that I heard SO much about when they were recruiting me? ===================== First...this is not a money making "scheme". It is a very credible company that is in the business of enhancing lives. I doubt very seriously that your support group is making money off leads you purchase. Many teams make arrangements with a professional lead generation company to offer team members a discount on leads generated for the team. The lead generation company gets the money, not the support team leader. And no...you could not get the same thing from calling numbers out of the phone book. Be careful with doing that unless you don't mind the consequences of being reported to the National Don't Call list! FALCON SAID========== I contacted my upline requesting some guidance on training, surprise surprise she told me she could not help me and referred me back to my the lady that recruited me. So here I sit out several hundred dollars getting my back up order every month and still I do not have one person in my downline, nor am I making any money. Yes my home is toxin free.... but like the lady said you can make many of your own non toxic cleaners from supplies you already have in your house. ===================== If your enroller's enroller can not help, then go upline to that person. You might have contacted someone who is happy just to be a customer, and is not building a business. Keep going upline until you find help. How are you out several hundred dollars? You received your products, and are using them, right? FALCON SAID========== I did some research found another company that works with melaleuca I would like to give them a try, they supposedly provide you leads, as well as all the other supports I was promised when I joined MomsWins and a few more even. So why haven't I switched companies??? I just learned the catch I have to quit for 6 months, then try again basically forfiting the benefits I was suposed to recieve by purchasing the large home pack. And having to purchase my business kit again. What a waste of money and time this has turned out to be. Even though they are expensive I really have got to say the products are good, its not the products that is the problem its the way these groups run the business. ===================== You found another "company" that works with Melaleuca? There are none. TEAMS such as MomsWIN are just that...teams. A new team is formed when a customer takes the initiative to step up to the plate and become a leader. They are still part of the team they enrolled with. They are not a company. They are Melaleuca customers building a business as an independent marketing executive. Again...you do not switch companies...there is no company to switch to. If you no longer want to be part of the leadership organization you enrolled with, yes...you must cancel your customer agreement and re-enroll after 6 months if you want to be enrolled into a different leadership organization. I do not know for a fact why this is, but this is what I think. This prevents other organizations from persuading a business builder to leave the team that has helped them get to where they are. How would you like it if you had enrolled a big builder, and someone else came along and coerced them into leaving your organization and joining theirs. You would not like it at all! This is this one of many checks and measures Melaleuca has put in place to protect the customers. I think there may be other reasons as well...it allows for a "cooling off" period for someone to get back into their same team if for some reason they must drop out, or "feel" they must drop out for a while. FALCON SAID========== The rebuttals here are so typical of, keep getting your order switch to another team even though it would cost me even more money why throw away any more money. Why because the goal is to keep them getting that order every month and just deny the problems.... that is the program in a nutshell say WHATEVER, shame the customer, guilt them into it whatever it takes in order to get them to buy, ignore your customers problems and praise the company.... Your responses proved the point better than ANYTHING I could have ever said. ===================== If you do not want the products, it's simple...cancel your customer agreement. You do not have to stay with that team, and you do not have to enroll with a different team. I am not a part of the MomsWIN team, but Barbara mentioned that "over 37 Senior and Executives Directors have reached their goals within MomsWIN and Melaleuca in 3 years." They are a very successful team...obviously, someone is getting training. Again...keep going upline until you get the help you are looking for. FALCON SAID========== As for all the teams not being like the one I was on other than the rebutalls here I have heard the same story again and again... My experience it not an isolated one. ===================== No, you are not the only one. Why? Because the typical person is not a leader...unless a choose to become one. But if you don't know what you are doing, then you need some training. I agree with that. However, if you want it bad enough you will find that training. Again...if you are not getting help, go UPLINE! Keep going upline until you find someone who is building a successful business. FALCON SAID========== Let me ask this how much do you spend EVERY month on the products and has ONE of you here earned more than a 50 dollar check even once? I bet you are just like everyone else I have spoken with you spend at least 50 dollars a month on product and get a 3.00 check every month. ===================== I spend anywhere from $90 to $130 in an average month...sometimes more. I spend that much because I USE that much. I buy nothing from the grocery store except food, paper towels and toilet paper...period. I "switched stores" over 5 years ago, and if Melaleuca makes the product, I use it! Why? Because I love the products! I have received a check every single month for over 5 years, and ALL have been over $50...much more than that, actually. If you don't use $50 a month, I'm sorry. I am one person using that much, but I bathe, shampoo my hair, brush my teeth, clean my house, do laundry, take nutritionals, use skin care products, and wear cosmetics every single month. I like getting a value, and I like knowing that I am bringing safer products into my home. The check I receive every month much more than pays for those products every month. How did I do it? When I enrolled, I studied the comp plan and attended phone trainings to learn what I needed to do to succeed. I listened to many training sessions AND business overviews to hear how others shared the concept with others. I listened to them over and over and over. I then purchased some cheap leads, as well as generating my own leads on the internet. I got on the phone and started calling. How did I learn how to generate my own leads? I searched the internet, subscribed to newsletters...put into practice what the experts were doing. I also used tools provided by my team. A lot of what I learned, I took the initiative to search and find the info I wanted. Search, find, and put into practice. Don't depend on someone else. Again...if you want it bad enough, you will find a way. Am I as successful as I had hoped to be by now? No. Why not? Because I have not been consistent. I have not aggressively built the business. If I had continued to consistently build my business the way I did in the first few months, I would have been. But that is ok. I work my business at my own pace. And it doesn't matter whether I work it this month or not...that check will still come in. I could have been MUCH farther along by now, but it IS NOT my team leader's fault or my enroller's fault that I am not. My success is directly proportionate to the time and effort I put in. It is my business I'm building, and I take full responsibility for whether I build fast or slow. Again...keep going upline until you find the help you are looking for. Or get on the internet and search...find out what works for others, and do it!

The rebuttals here are so typical of, keep getting your order switch to another team even though it would cost me even more money why throw away any more money. Why because the goal is to keep them getting that order every month and just deny the problems.... that is the program in a nutshell say WHATEVER, shame the customer, guilt them into it whatever it takes in order to get them to buy, ignore your customers problems and praise the company.... Your responses proved the point better than ANYTHING I could have ever said. As for all the teams not being like the one I was on other than the rebutalls here I have heard the same story again and again... My experience it not an isolated one. Let me ask this how much do you spend EVERY month on the products and has ONE of you here earned more than a 50 dollar check even once? I bet you are just like everyone else I have spoken with you spend at least 50 dollars a month on product and get a 3.00 check every month. These companies are NOT helping anyone all they are doing is taking advantage of peoples guilt and fears.

Your subject line is absolutely true. I feel that it is important to make note that MomsWIN has NOT changed to 4-Point Group. MomsWIN still remains intact with the original leadership in place. Some leaders have chosen to develop their own website, which is certainly encouraged when they have reached a point where they are able to support their own website and members. It is, however, unfair to lump the teams together when making your assessment of your experience. MomsWIN has always been dedicated to assist people in reaching their goals. Has everyone been successful - absolutely not! The difference between success and not achieving directly relates to the time, effort, consistency and certainly goals that each individual chooses to place in their business. For some individiuals, they are unwilling to follow through with consistency and dedication. MomsWIN provides an exception website with cutting edge technology so that everyone can duplicate the process, regardless of goals, age or location. A proven system is in place so that others can also achieve success. In fact, over 37 Senior and Executives Directors have reached their goals within MomsWIN and Melaleuca in 3 years. A valid point that has been made in previous posts is the fact that you are continuing to receive a backup order each month. This is the very foundation of our business. We are all customers first with a knowledge of the products, why they are effective both in quality and price. Shopping with Melaleuca is an experience. If you owned a Radio Shack, would you shop at Best Buy for a radio. Absolutely not! You would shop at your own store. Melaleuca is our store. Our "job" is to educate people about toxins and ow they can improve their quality of life. For instance, were you aware that: "Most Child Poisonings result from Common Household Products. About 78,000 children under five years old visited U.S. hospital emergency rooms due to unintential poisonings in 2003 - about one every seven minutes, the U.S. Consumer Product SafetyCommission (CPSC) reported this month. Most of these poisonings included products commonly found in the home." This article was released on 4/7/05. As Executive Directors III, Melaleuca has certainly enhanced our lives financially and the lives of many of our team; however, that is not our prime motivation. In fact, we started with Melaleuca as customers 3 1/2 years ago with no intention of earning an income. We experienced exceptional results with my grandson;s asthma, my son's chronic bronchitis, my husband's gum disease, my migrane headaches - and we actually SAVED money doing it. Our motivation was simply to provide others with choices. That only happened because we USED the products and developed a belief in the benefits received from them. The success we have experienced has been because we have plugged into the programs and training that is provided by MomsWIN. Please do not assume that 4-Point is associated with us. They have their own website, training programs and leadership. I am not familiar with how they have chosen to duplicate or train within their organization. I will share with you that MomsWIN set their bar of standard as being the BEST of the BEST in the industry. Let it begin with you, Falcon. Melaleuca is an incredible company with exceptional products. We all have the ability to earn an income if we desire. Invest in yourself - make a difference in others - have fun with your business - and be consistent. These are the keys. You see, you really do have control of what you what. Are you willing to do what is necessary to achieve it? That is the real question. Best to you, Falcon. I hope that you find it within yourself to make choices in the positive direction to affect the changes you want.

Hi Falcon, I'm sorry to hear you're having such a negative experience with your team. As other people have already suggested, not all teams are the same. My team - prosperingfromhome, is MARVELLOUS! Even when I couldn't put much into the business, they never gave me any problems. In fact, they've treated me just like they do all their members. You obviously know Melaleuca products are worth their weight in gold, otherwise you would be complaining about the company rather than the team, right? I live abroad, so doing the business is tough because I don't know enough of the language. My team is based in the UK, Australia and the USA. The ED's touch base with me and offer advice. I'm currently trying to build my own team, under Prosperingfromhome.com because I'm unable to get to ANY meetings with other English speakers there! Persevere my dear, and if you have to, change teams. Look at it this way, if you have to quit the business for 6 months (not a long time), you will at least have the chance then to look for a better team that you're more suited to, and gain even more product experience that you can share with friends! Really wish you the best and hope you'll stick at it! ;)

First, let me say I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience. I'm brand new to Melaleuca, and have only met positive, helpful, enthusiastic people on my team, The Power of One. Evidentially all teams are not the same. Perhaps it would be worthwhile for you to "start over" with a new team. Please let me know if I can help. A couple of suggestions. Can you stop getting your back up order and just place a smaller 35 product point order each month? Regarding advertising, maybe try some flyers at local stores with bulletin boards. You can go to VistaPrint.com and get free business cards, you just pay $4.99 for shipping. Then you can pass these out to anyone you meet that might be interested. Best of luck to you,

I am sorry you have had such a bad time with this team. I just wanted everyone to know that all the teams are not like this. I work wih a great team. We are encouraged to know who our nearest senior director or above is and if we need help we can contact them personally for one on one help. I am only a director and have had help from my senior and executive director on my team. I hope it works out for you.