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  • Report:  #353833

Complaint Review: Auto Toy Store Al Sciabba - West Berlin New Jersey

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- Medford, New Jersey,
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Auto Toy Store Al Sciabba
526 N. Rt. 73 West Berlin, 08091 New Jersey, U.S.A.
Phone:
856-768-9005
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On April 30,2008 I took my 1995 Ferrari 348TS to Auto Toy Store for them to sell on consignment. On June 4th, I called to question where the car is as I did not see it while passing by. Herb Fishman told me that it was at the detail shop as they had someone interested in it & wanted it to look it's best. I also mentioned that I had checked their website & saw that it was no longer on line. Herb told me that they had a problem with some of their listings getting dropped.

In speaking to Herb the following week, he told me that the customer hadn't made up his mind yet, meanwhile, I keep driving past the dealership and the car is not there. On Tuesday June 17th, my son stopped in to inquire about his IPOD adapter possibly being in the car. Herb told him that the car was once again in the detail shop. A friend & I went to the dealership the next morning( Wed. 18th). Herb greeted me by saying that he checked & the adapter wasn't in the car.

At this point, I told him that I wanted to pick the car up from the detail shop. He then says that he doesn't know which shop it is at. Didn't he just say that he called them about the adapter? I pressed him to call all the detail shops that they use. After watching him try to squirm his way through all of the lies, he then says that the car is actually at a body shop as it was hit. Of course, then I wanted to know what body shop.

Again, he didn't know as they use several. As an RV dealer with over 250 units in inventory, I know where every unit is when not on my premises. After watching Herb continually tripping over his lies, the entertainment value in this fiasco left me and I demanded either the car, a check for the $45,500, or I would call the police. Herb then went into another office while my friend and I walked outside.

fter several minutes, the Finance manager, Gary came out telling me that the owner was at Bordentown Auction & was on his way back to write a check for the car as it had been sold but they were having financial difficulties & were using my $45,500 to float their business. I asked my friend to swing back for the check as I had to get to work. If you can believe this, when handing him the check, they asked if I would hold it for a few days so that it would clear.

That took some strong intestinal fortitude. This is the same company that is asking people to invest in their Exotic Car Rentals requiring an initial membereship fee. I would be more than a little concerned if I were investing in anything to do with Al Sciubba or any of his ventures. This company doesn't deserve to be in business and is the epitomy of everything shady about the car business, & this is coming from someone very close to that industry. I thought that I had seen all of the tricks, but this experience took the prize.

Rvdealer

Medford, New Jersey

U.S.A.


5 Updates & Rebuttals

Rvdealer

Medford,
New Jersey,
U.S.A.
Still continues to lie, even when caught up in their own lies!

#2Author of original report

Tue, September 30, 2008

I have no idea when the car actually sold and if there is any truth to the fact that I got paid within 5 days of sale, nor do I know how much they actually sold the car for. Being in the RV business, I understand that it takes several days to get a loan funded, so why all of the lies about the car being in a detail shop, then body shop, etc? Again, owning an RV dealership, I work with consignment vehicles all of the time. If something is less than I care to represent, I simply won't get involved. If they actually sent it to an "expert" for an inspection, shouldn't they have asked me if it was ok before it leaving their premises? I know that I do. Again, if a report was in fact done and it came back so bad, why would they choose to be involved? Why not just call me and say that the car had issues and they don't want to be involved? That is what I do if a vehicle comes in less than represented. To read that they sold it with no profit is a real insult to my intelligence. Why would they? Again, just hand it back. I don't work for no profit nor do I expect anyone else to, and they didn't owe me any favors. As stated earlier, I really don't know what they sold it for. I wanted to net $50,000 and I got $45,500. In the car business, that is commonly known as a bump. It appears to me that the car was "missing" for approximately two weeks before I showed up and insisted on answers instead of lies. As to the car coming from an auction, I did buy it at Manheim Auto Auctions about a year prior for my personal use, and I believe that I stated that to Herb when we had the initial conversation regarding the car. What is so wrong with that? I see them there every time that I have been. Manhiem is known for the better quality cars unlike the Bordentown Auction where the owner had to come from to give me my check. As to the size of my friend, he is a friend, but also my employee that transports vehicles for my dealership. That is why I brought him. That is his job. I really have no control over his size. The fine folks at Auto Toy Store have been gracious enough to let the readers know who I am, so please feel free to contact me with any questions that you may have. When you tell the truth, it's never hard to remember. what you've said. I hold true to my statement that companies such as this are what give the used car business such a bad name. I thought that I was standing in front of Curt Russell in "Used Cars".


Car Guy

WEST BERLIN,
New Jersey,
U.S.A.
SNEAKS AND BACK STABBERS, Ed Hutchinson, WHITE HORSE R.V. AND LEISURE INC

#3UPDATE Employee

Mon, August 04, 2008

Although a few of the allegations border on the truth, the overall conclusion of the transaction is that the "offended" party was paid IN FULL within 5 days of the FINAL sale of their vehicle. The car was sold to an out of state buyer that we had worked on financing through a nation wide bank which in this case took some time to accomplish. Before we were finally funded from the bank the consignee was PAID IN FULL. Because we had not yet received funds from the bank we asked the "gentleman" to please hold the check for (2) days to insure that our deposits had cleared and that the funds would be available. One of the reasons that the car wasn't ALWAYS on our premises was the fact that our customer asked for a detailed condition report of both the body and all mechanical aspects of the Ferrari in question and we had taken it to local experts in both catagories. The car that was represented to us as being "perfect and pristine" had paint work done, needed a full set of tires and was in need of a clutch. All of these facts had been kept from us and we in good conscience had to notify our buyer of these deficiencies in this "perfect" Ferrari. Now I ask you, who ripped off who? We sold his much less than perfect Ferrari that was misrepresented to us for a very strong price at no profit and considerable aggravation to everyone concerned. We told our buyer ALL of the flaws and imperfections of this vehicle, as any reputable dealer would do to any customer and especially any Ferrari buyer who insists on exact condition and true service records. As a final note, the "friend" he brought with was a very large, very angry man whose sole purpose was intimidation. And with all of this he has the nerve to call us "scammers and cheats", talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I hope he represents the 250 RVs that he claims to stock much more truthfully than the Ferrari that it seems he purchased at Auction and planned to unload to an unsuspecting buyer.


Car Guy

WEST BERLIN,
New Jersey,
U.S.A.
SNEAKS AND BACK STABBERS, Ed Hutchinson, WHITE HORSE R.V. AND LEISURE INC

#4UPDATE Employee

Mon, August 04, 2008

Although a few of the allegations border on the truth, the overall conclusion of the transaction is that the "offended" party was paid IN FULL within 5 days of the FINAL sale of their vehicle. The car was sold to an out of state buyer that we had worked on financing through a nation wide bank which in this case took some time to accomplish. Before we were finally funded from the bank the consignee was PAID IN FULL. Because we had not yet received funds from the bank we asked the "gentleman" to please hold the check for (2) days to insure that our deposits had cleared and that the funds would be available. One of the reasons that the car wasn't ALWAYS on our premises was the fact that our customer asked for a detailed condition report of both the body and all mechanical aspects of the Ferrari in question and we had taken it to local experts in both catagories. The car that was represented to us as being "perfect and pristine" had paint work done, needed a full set of tires and was in need of a clutch. All of these facts had been kept from us and we in good conscience had to notify our buyer of these deficiencies in this "perfect" Ferrari. Now I ask you, who ripped off who? We sold his much less than perfect Ferrari that was misrepresented to us for a very strong price at no profit and considerable aggravation to everyone concerned. We told our buyer ALL of the flaws and imperfections of this vehicle, as any reputable dealer would do to any customer and especially any Ferrari buyer who insists on exact condition and true service records. As a final note, the "friend" he brought with was a very large, very angry man whose sole purpose was intimidation. And with all of this he has the nerve to call us "scammers and cheats", talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I hope he represents the 250 RVs that he claims to stock much more truthfully than the Ferrari that it seems he purchased at Auction and planned to unload to an unsuspecting buyer.


Car Guy

WEST BERLIN,
New Jersey,
U.S.A.
SNEAKS AND BACK STABBERS, Ed Hutchinson, WHITE HORSE R.V. AND LEISURE INC

#5UPDATE Employee

Mon, August 04, 2008

Although a few of the allegations border on the truth, the overall conclusion of the transaction is that the "offended" party was paid IN FULL within 5 days of the FINAL sale of their vehicle. The car was sold to an out of state buyer that we had worked on financing through a nation wide bank which in this case took some time to accomplish. Before we were finally funded from the bank the consignee was PAID IN FULL. Because we had not yet received funds from the bank we asked the "gentleman" to please hold the check for (2) days to insure that our deposits had cleared and that the funds would be available. One of the reasons that the car wasn't ALWAYS on our premises was the fact that our customer asked for a detailed condition report of both the body and all mechanical aspects of the Ferrari in question and we had taken it to local experts in both catagories. The car that was represented to us as being "perfect and pristine" had paint work done, needed a full set of tires and was in need of a clutch. All of these facts had been kept from us and we in good conscience had to notify our buyer of these deficiencies in this "perfect" Ferrari. Now I ask you, who ripped off who? We sold his much less than perfect Ferrari that was misrepresented to us for a very strong price at no profit and considerable aggravation to everyone concerned. We told our buyer ALL of the flaws and imperfections of this vehicle, as any reputable dealer would do to any customer and especially any Ferrari buyer who insists on exact condition and true service records. As a final note, the "friend" he brought with was a very large, very angry man whose sole purpose was intimidation. And with all of this he has the nerve to call us "scammers and cheats", talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I hope he represents the 250 RVs that he claims to stock much more truthfully than the Ferrari that it seems he purchased at Auction and planned to unload to an unsuspecting buyer.


Car Guy

WEST BERLIN,
New Jersey,
U.S.A.
SNEAKS AND BACK STABBERS, Ed Hutchinson, WHITE HORSE R.V. AND LEISURE INC

#6UPDATE Employee

Mon, August 04, 2008

Although a few of the allegations border on the truth, the overall conclusion of the transaction is that the "offended" party was paid IN FULL within 5 days of the FINAL sale of their vehicle. The car was sold to an out of state buyer that we had worked on financing through a nation wide bank which in this case took some time to accomplish. Before we were finally funded from the bank the consignee was PAID IN FULL. Because we had not yet received funds from the bank we asked the "gentleman" to please hold the check for (2) days to insure that our deposits had cleared and that the funds would be available. One of the reasons that the car wasn't ALWAYS on our premises was the fact that our customer asked for a detailed condition report of both the body and all mechanical aspects of the Ferrari in question and we had taken it to local experts in both catagories. The car that was represented to us as being "perfect and pristine" had paint work done, needed a full set of tires and was in need of a clutch. All of these facts had been kept from us and we in good conscience had to notify our buyer of these deficiencies in this "perfect" Ferrari. Now I ask you, who ripped off who? We sold his much less than perfect Ferrari that was misrepresented to us for a very strong price at no profit and considerable aggravation to everyone concerned. We told our buyer ALL of the flaws and imperfections of this vehicle, as any reputable dealer would do to any customer and especially any Ferrari buyer who insists on exact condition and true service records. As a final note, the "friend" he brought with was a very large, very angry man whose sole purpose was intimidation. And with all of this he has the nerve to call us "scammers and cheats", talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I hope he represents the 250 RVs that he claims to stock much more truthfully than the Ferrari that it seems he purchased at Auction and planned to unload to an unsuspecting buyer.

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