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Complaint Review: Blue Collar Group - Louis PLummer - Jon Scampton - Irvine California
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Blue Collar Group - Louis PLummer - Jon Scampton
7545 Irvine Center Drive #200 Irvine, 92618 California, U.S.A.
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Blue Collar Group - Louis PLummer misrepresented properties he obtained for us and refuses to return a hard money inv. Irvine California
We met Louis Plummer, owner of Blue Collar Group (BCG), at a business Expo around August or September of 2007. We owned local real estate and were interested in diversifying.
After several months of being approved (January 2008) and then not approved, we were finally approved for three houses (August of 2008). We closed one and a month later we closed another. The third never closed and we were never told why (after several requests). All three in Detroit.
Louis Plummer had a network in Detroit that he used. Contractor, Mortgage broker, Property Management Co... He touted that this was the key to his success - his network. His selling point to us is that he provided a very good product. Good homes. He stressed this.
The lure was these were foreclosures which had been rehabilitated with HUD money. Indeed, I have never been able to confirm that they were rehabbed. But that is what we were led to believe. When I looked them up, I found that they had originally sold (a few months earlier) for about 20k less than what we got them for. But the mortgage was low and they were TENANT OCCUPIED. These were marketed to us as turnkey properties. On paper they had positive cash flow (about 250/275 a month). As soon as they were closed the property management co called us to sign a contract to manage them for us (August 4, 2008).
On the first property, almost immediately after closing (11 days), we began getting e-mails regarding repairs that needed to be made. Wait aren't these rehabbed? At first Louis took responsibility for the repairs that needed to be done, but after (6)months of claiming the repairs were almost finished, we got hit with estimates for work that we were told had been done, that was in fact NOT done. For 5 months it was, They are almost done, The repairs will be finished this weekend, I'll take care of this, etcAt one point he also said I will be sending you a check to offset some of that. That is confidential between you and I. [the contractor] is on this to get it done. A check? This is a warranty item isn't it? Last week it was a warranty item. What changed?? Needless to say, no check was ever sent. Worse, we were told that the tenant was not paying rent until the repairs were done and a judge had sided with the tenant. We paid it out of pocket. The tenant still didn't pay and was eventually evicted. So far we are in the hole with this TURNKEY Property about $11,000. After 6 months.
On the second property, the tenant never paid a dime in rent. Remember this was also turnkey. When I requested a copy of the lease I saw that it had in fact been signed by the tenant and someone named Jon Scampton He signed on behalf of H & A investments as the landlord. Jon Scampton was the guy who sent us loan applications a few months earlier. What is the mortgage broker doing signing leases on properties he was also marketing? There was only minimal info on the lease. No security Deposit and no rental application. When we tried to get info out of Jon Scampton, he shot back that the Drivers License and Social Security number were on the lease. Good Luck!! We were referred to a private investigator. The lease had little information on it. Nobody seemed to have contact info on ANYONE. And NOTHING from Louis Plummer. By now the tenant owed $2400 in back rent. We paid to have them evicted but they left on their own and they left $6000.00 in damage. We are in the hole with this one about $10,000. The property management co did get a new tenant for this one, but they have only paid one month rent since February 09(it is June 09). And now we get an e-mail that it needs $5300.00 in repairs
Since late August 08 til mid June 09, we have paid $7500.00 in mortgages, have spent about $7300.00 in repairs and eviction expenses, are looking to spend another $5500.00 in more repairs. We have received right around $2000.00 in rents (on two properties in 10 months). So far we have lost about $17,000.00 on these two properties. Thank goodness we didn't close on the last property.
And this is not our only dealing with him. A year ago we made a hard money investment with him ($2000). Thank God we didn't send him the 10K we had originally intended. It matured in March 09. My wife contacted him a month in advance to notify him that we were not going to roll it over and we wanted the money. At first it was "Absolutely, checks will go out at the end of the month (April 09)". Then, as is VERY common with him. Silence. One e-mail April and one in May. Prompted by us. And certainly no check. The first week in June when I sent him a text message. Where is our check? His response? Checks will go out at the end of the month (June). In early June when I pressed him he said deals were closing that week. Today (Mid June) he texted me that he is closing some deals this month and some next month (July). I am assuming he is telling me that some are closing next month so I can brace myself that I might have to wait until July.
Louis Plummer got us these properties; AWFUL properties; loser properties and does not back them up. Rather he promises that he will take care of it but NOTHING ever happens. At one point (and I have the e-mails to prove this) the repairs were supposedly done. We sent him $2k a year ago. The contract says it matures on 3/10/09. But this means nothing to him. We'll get it when we get it. I am very interested in hearing similar experiences.
Miguel
Los Angeles, California
U.S.A.
After several months of being approved (January 2008) and then not approved, we were finally approved for three houses (August of 2008). We closed one and a month later we closed another. The third never closed and we were never told why (after several requests). All three in Detroit.
Louis Plummer had a network in Detroit that he used. Contractor, Mortgage broker, Property Management Co... He touted that this was the key to his success - his network. His selling point to us is that he provided a very good product. Good homes. He stressed this.
The lure was these were foreclosures which had been rehabilitated with HUD money. Indeed, I have never been able to confirm that they were rehabbed. But that is what we were led to believe. When I looked them up, I found that they had originally sold (a few months earlier) for about 20k less than what we got them for. But the mortgage was low and they were TENANT OCCUPIED. These were marketed to us as turnkey properties. On paper they had positive cash flow (about 250/275 a month). As soon as they were closed the property management co called us to sign a contract to manage them for us (August 4, 2008).
On the first property, almost immediately after closing (11 days), we began getting e-mails regarding repairs that needed to be made. Wait aren't these rehabbed? At first Louis took responsibility for the repairs that needed to be done, but after (6)months of claiming the repairs were almost finished, we got hit with estimates for work that we were told had been done, that was in fact NOT done. For 5 months it was, They are almost done, The repairs will be finished this weekend, I'll take care of this, etcAt one point he also said I will be sending you a check to offset some of that. That is confidential between you and I. [the contractor] is on this to get it done. A check? This is a warranty item isn't it? Last week it was a warranty item. What changed?? Needless to say, no check was ever sent. Worse, we were told that the tenant was not paying rent until the repairs were done and a judge had sided with the tenant. We paid it out of pocket. The tenant still didn't pay and was eventually evicted. So far we are in the hole with this TURNKEY Property about $11,000. After 6 months.
On the second property, the tenant never paid a dime in rent. Remember this was also turnkey. When I requested a copy of the lease I saw that it had in fact been signed by the tenant and someone named Jon Scampton He signed on behalf of H & A investments as the landlord. Jon Scampton was the guy who sent us loan applications a few months earlier. What is the mortgage broker doing signing leases on properties he was also marketing? There was only minimal info on the lease. No security Deposit and no rental application. When we tried to get info out of Jon Scampton, he shot back that the Drivers License and Social Security number were on the lease. Good Luck!! We were referred to a private investigator. The lease had little information on it. Nobody seemed to have contact info on ANYONE. And NOTHING from Louis Plummer. By now the tenant owed $2400 in back rent. We paid to have them evicted but they left on their own and they left $6000.00 in damage. We are in the hole with this one about $10,000. The property management co did get a new tenant for this one, but they have only paid one month rent since February 09(it is June 09). And now we get an e-mail that it needs $5300.00 in repairs
Since late August 08 til mid June 09, we have paid $7500.00 in mortgages, have spent about $7300.00 in repairs and eviction expenses, are looking to spend another $5500.00 in more repairs. We have received right around $2000.00 in rents (on two properties in 10 months). So far we have lost about $17,000.00 on these two properties. Thank goodness we didn't close on the last property.
And this is not our only dealing with him. A year ago we made a hard money investment with him ($2000). Thank God we didn't send him the 10K we had originally intended. It matured in March 09. My wife contacted him a month in advance to notify him that we were not going to roll it over and we wanted the money. At first it was "Absolutely, checks will go out at the end of the month (April 09)". Then, as is VERY common with him. Silence. One e-mail April and one in May. Prompted by us. And certainly no check. The first week in June when I sent him a text message. Where is our check? His response? Checks will go out at the end of the month (June). In early June when I pressed him he said deals were closing that week. Today (Mid June) he texted me that he is closing some deals this month and some next month (July). I am assuming he is telling me that some are closing next month so I can brace myself that I might have to wait until July.
Louis Plummer got us these properties; AWFUL properties; loser properties and does not back them up. Rather he promises that he will take care of it but NOTHING ever happens. At one point (and I have the e-mails to prove this) the repairs were supposedly done. We sent him $2k a year ago. The contract says it matures on 3/10/09. But this means nothing to him. We'll get it when we get it. I am very interested in hearing similar experiences.
Miguel
Los Angeles, California
U.S.A.
3 Updates & Rebuttals
Miguel
Los Angeles,California,
U.S.A.
Louis Plummer changes name to Gary Plummer
#2Author of original report
Thu, June 09, 2011
After years of refusing to pay my wife and me on our hard money investment, this crook has changed his name to avoid detection and connection to Blue Collar Properties
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ONTACTED ME promising to pay $100 a month until the investment is paid off, but like everything else he says it is all BS. His full name is Louis Gary Plummer and so he did a switch and now goes by Gary Plummer. Either way he is the same lying crook.
Miguel
Los Angeles,California,
U.S.A.
Response from Louis Plummer
#3Consumer Comment
Mon, July 13, 2009
First, I'd like to thank Ripoff report. I followed your advice and now Blue Collar is back on the first page of searches for the name, along with Louis Plummer and Jon Scampton. And the properties? The only tenant we have is not paying rent because she says there is a leak in the basement and it smells like feces. The roof is leaking and the basement has plumbing problems, the rain gutters are broken, etc So although they have not paid rent since March, we agreed to pay them cash for keys if they move out in 30 days. We have two properties that are vacant and in need of thousands in repairs. These were rehabbed, turnkey properties. I got a response from Louis Plummer. He wants us to get together and talk about the problems we are having. And he even thinks he can get us someone who can give us a good estimate to repair the properties and he knows another property management co who can rent out the other property. What a sweetheart. He sent me an e-mail, I never refused to pay you your 2k investment. We just had our 1st close since February. We will have some $$$ in July. I wasnt aware that you had other problems with your properties. Really Louis. I have over 600 emails regarding these properties. I have e-mails where you are telling me you will take care of them. And I have e-mails from the contractor telling us he thought we were talking about another property and he will be happy to give us an estimate for repairs after you told us the repairs were almost done. And our investment? In the emails on 6/29 from Louis he asked our address and what name we wanted on the check. It appears he closed something in June/July. Some poor victim now owns a property, hopefully not in Detroit. Last week he sent me a text message; verbatim we mailed partial pmt of your investment today Great!!! it's been a week and no check. NOTHING!!! So either he got our address wrong, although I just sent it to him or he is a liar and he sent nothing.
Miguel
Los Angeles,California,
U.S.A.
Appears Blue Collar, Louis PLummer and Jon Scampton paid to remove themselves from a search engine listing?
#4Author of original report
Thu, June 18, 2009
I filed this report a few days ago. To my surprised when I did a search for all three names Blue Collar Group, Louis Plummer and Jon Scampton, they appeared on the first page as either the 2nd or 3rd item. Today, they don't appear at all. Even when I do a search for the rip off report specifically AND their names, they do not show up. It appears they paid a website to have searches that reveal negative information removed. I am not surprised if they did pay the 2-7k to have themselves removed rather than answer with a rebuttal. He mentioned on his last text message that he was closing 5 -10 deals next month. I feel sorry for those he victimizes, although he is such a liar he may have nothing closing.
