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  • Report:  #711937

Complaint Review: Cable Service Providers - Internet Internet

Reported By:
DB - Columbus, Ohio, USA
Submitted:
Updated:

Cable Service Providers
Internet, Internet, United States of America
Phone:
Web:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/
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Many US citizens will soon be unable to use their own TV and video products. They are also being required to pay excessive and unnecessary fees, just to retain the level of cable TV service that they already had. This is due to a deceptive scheme by cable TV service providers to monopolize the video equipment needs of their subscribers. Their fraudulent manipulation of signal formats is rendering all but their own accessory equipment unusable on their cable services.
 
I am posting this to educate other basic, direct-to-the-TV cable subscribers about the massive cable-box scam that is being perpetrated by cable TV service providers. I am hopeful that this will motivate others to join me in contacting state attorney generals, politicians, the FCC and other cable TV regulators. If enough people will make their voices heard, we can stop the cable TV companies from controlling every aspect of everything we watch on television.
 
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There are thousands of cable TV subscribers that are accustomed to the convenience of simply connecting a cable TV wire to the back of their cable-ready TV and enjoying around seventy channels. The ability to do this is rapidly disappearing. This is due to a massive fraud that is being perpetrated by their cable TV service providers. Anyone without a cable-box that is subscribing to a no-frills, basic cable lineup is being victimized. The direct-to-TV customer has seen a steady decline in the number of cable TV channels that they pay for. This is happening by design as cable service providers shift more channels to formats that require a "set-top-cable-box" to decode their signal.
 
One might ask why there is a lack of public outcry about this? Why are government entities not being deluged with complaints? The answer is simple. The public outrage is being curtailed by the outright fraud and deception of the cable providers themselves. The CSP (cable service provider) is exploiting the fact that the majority of people in the general public are not electronic technicians. Due to that general lack of knowledge, the CSP is able to engage in deceptive techno-speak, about emerging technologies, new HDTV signals, etc. While they tout bandwidth and improved technology to justify the need for their subscribers to rent their cable-boxes, the truth is quite the opposite.
 
I operated a professional sound and electronics business for over 35 years. Thus, I am well informed about the various technical aspects of these systems. I find it appalling that cable service providers are being allowed to fleece the unknowing public like this. The only reason that one needs a "set-top-cable-box" to receive a 70 channel, basic cable service, is because the CSP is artificially creating the need for it. It is analogous to purchasing water with an undrinkable chemical added to it by the seller. Then, having the seller rent one a device that will remove the chemical so they can drink the water.
 
This cable-box scheme should be suspect, even to a non-technical, layperson. Many households already had about 70 direct-to-TV cable channels without using a cable-box. Their CSP then informed them that due to improvements in technology, "it is impossible to provide you with the same 70 channels that we are already providing you with." This attempt to force everyone to use a cable-box is solely about marketing and revenue. It is not at all about advances in technology. If the CSP can persuade all of their subscribers to use their cable-boxes, they can up-sell them entertainment products and upgraded services that cannot be sold to anyone that does not have a cable-box. Likewise, they can extract a rental fee for their additional cable boxes, video recording devices, etc.
 
This outrageous scenario gives the CSP almost total control over the subscribers ability to use self-owned, no-rent, video devices. This deception by CSPs has already driven many self-owned, DVRs and other TV recording products off of the market. Those who purchased expensive, digital, HDTVs, are reduced to setting their TV to one input/channel and using the complicated remote control for the cable-box. The subscriber is being made to endure a maze of wires, boxes and complicated remote controls on every TV in ones home. This is especially problematic for those with sleek, wall mount televisions, in non-typical locations. It is extremely difficult for the elderly and those without technical aptitude.
 
Current televisions contain digital tuners that will receive hundreds of channels. There is no justifiable reason that the CSP cannot provide a cable-direct signal that can be decoded by the digital tuner within ones television. The CSP is purposely scrambling and/or encoding channels in a way that will defeat the televisions internal tuner. This forces their subscribers to use the CSPs cable-box, if they want to retain all of the same channels that they had before. Most audacious is the CSP not lowering their monthly fees to their basic cable subscribers, as their no-box, basic channel lineup decreases.
 
This fraudulent, gotta-have-a-cable-box, scam is nothing new. In the 1990s, I lived in an area that was serviced by a CSP called All American Cable We received numerous channels with their cable line hooked direct to the TV. Unfortunately, All American Cable was acquired by Warner Cable. Warner immediately notified the previous All American customers that Warners technology was different and better. All subscribers would now be required to have a cable box to receive the same channels that they had received before without one. In reality, Warner was simply scrambling their signal and renting their subscribers "set-top-cable-boxes," to un-scramble their signal.
 
Warners deception continued until Americast came into the same area and installed a competing cable TV service. Americast, (now called WOW cable,) once again offered subscribers a full array of direct-to-TV channels, with no cable-box. When subscribers began to abandon Warner Cable in mass, Warner suddenly stopped scrambling most of their channels. They flooded the area with advertisements that stated, You can now get up to 70 channels with no cable boxes.  Since the change-over to digital television, the cable service providers, including WOW, are using the new technology as a justification to run the same, fraudulent, gotta-have-a-cable-box scam that they did in the 1990s. Unless one desires premium cable services, they absolutely do not need a cable-box!
 
A cable service provider can manipulate, block, filter or scramble any signal on their lines, any way they want to. For years, they have misinformed cable TV subscribers into paying for bundled channels, many of which they never watch. Now, to add insult to injury, they are again misleading their basic cable subscribers into using cable-boxes to retain the channels that they did watch.
 
Renting thousands of cable-boxes to people that should not need to rent them, amounts to fraud on a massive scale. Left unchecked, this duplicitous scheme will soon reduce direct-to-TV cable service to a handful of broadcast channels. While Time Warner Cable is reducing their direct-to-TV lineup gradually, WOW cable has already reduced about 70 direct-to-TV channels, down to about 20.
 
I am writing to request that you demand that something be done to stop this deceptive Cable-box scheme by cable TV service providers.  
 
Thank you for helping to correct this problem,
 
 


6 Updates & Rebuttals

Robert

Irvine,
California,
U.S.A.
Never

#2Consumer Comment

Thu, March 31, 2011

 It is about the cable TV service providers forcing rented cable-boxes and/or rented DVR recording devices, on customers that should not need the cost and inconvenience.

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Interesting I have Digital Cable and have it connected directly to a couple of TV's.

I also have NEVER been forced to rent a DVR.  Now I do have one but that is because I want one...not because they said I had to have one.  


Inspector

Tobyhanna,
Pennsylvania,
USA
Maybe it's an Ohio thing

#3Consumer Comment

Thu, March 31, 2011

Don't have that problem here, no box just a cable.  Digital cable and no change in channel line up.


Dennis

Grove City,
Ohio,
USA
Some clarification about this issue.

#4Author of original report

Thu, March 31, 2011

I have noted that the responses in this thread are not relevant to the original post. The core issue of the original post only addresses one area of concern about cable TV service providers. The complaint is on behalf of those who subscribe to a typical, coaxial, cable TV service. It concerns people that only want to receive what has usually been described as a 70 channel basic cable package.

This is not to be confused with persons that want interactive cable TV services with HBO, on demand programming, pay-per-view movies, etc. Neither is it to be confused with satellite TV or Internet/phone line TV services. Most importantly, this is not at all about reverting to old
technology or converting modern digital TV signals for use on older style televisions with analog tuners. Likewise, one should not confuse, antenna type, over-the-air, set-top, digital-to-analog, converter boxes, with "set-top-cable-TV-boxes.

The original complaint is only about those with modern televisions, with high-definition, digital tuners. It is about cable TV service providers requiring a cable-box to be used on televisions that already contain the internal technology not to need one. It is about the cable TV service providers forcing rented cable-boxes and/or rented DVR recording devices, on customers that should not need the cost and inconvenience.

The confusion evidenced in these responses helps to make the point of the original complaint. That is that cable TV service providers have done an excellent job of misinforming and confusing the public about what is needed to receive basic cable TV services.


mr. rik

miami,
Florida,
United States of America
Unfortunately

#5Consumer Suggestion

Thu, March 31, 2011

Theres not much of a way around it, unless you wanna get real technical and illegal.

A late night mission with a pair of cable cutters might make you feel better though.

Then you can always "wait" for the repair van to arrive.

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tigersy2k3

United States of America
seriously?

#6Consumer Comment

Wed, March 30, 2011

So you seriously are trying to claim technology advances have nothing to do with the need of a box top for your cable.  When is the last time you saw an HDMI cable ran from your cable provider?  Never, thats when.  Coaxial cable carries signals but as you go from 480 to 720 to 1080 you have to enhance the picture somehow.  I bet you were up in arms too when OTA went from analog to digital too and you had to buy a $10 box (with federal assistance) to get free channels.. Oh my, a one time $10 payment per TV for a lifetime of free television.

Please this is a hoax and a waste of time to read.

Why doesnt my typewriter work with my computer?? I mean after all the keys are the same and the letters of the alphabet didnt change. This too must be a ploy by the computer industry to make you buy one of those super high tech keyboards when you already have a perfectly good working typewriter at home with the same keys


Robert

Buffalo,
New York,
USA
I'm shocked.

#7Consumer Comment

Wed, March 30, 2011

I'm shocked that you're only upset with cable systems and didn't mention the similar scheme used by satellite broadcasters.  If it's good enough for the likes of DirecTV and Dish, why isn't it OK for a cable system? 

Additionally, many of the DBS installations on the street where I live are NOT installed IAW the NEC!!!  Can't say the same for the cable installations-at least they appear to be properly grounded.   To throw some salt on the wound, if the DBS fails and the consumer isn't paying the 6 buck "insurance", the consumer is hit with a HIGH service charge for a tech to show up with a replacement LNB or DBS receiver.  If you ask me, that's the REAL SCAM folks should be upset about.  An ungrounded DBS antenna system is asking for the LNB or receiver to fail from either static or nearby lightning.

Over a year ago, I performed a survey of the DBS installations on my street, and ONLY ONE DBS installation (of the 9 I inspected) was grounded-the others were not!

But hey, here in NY the DBS industry is NOT REGULATED.  I'm working with a few politicians in Albany to get that changed, but the DBS lobbying is almost impossible to overcome.

Go figure.

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