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Complaint Review: Colorado River Adventures - Beaumont CA, Parker AZ CA, AZ
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Michael Bradley -
Redlands, CA, United States
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36805 Brookside Ave Beaumont CA, Parker AZ, 92223 CA, AZ, United States
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Colorado River Adventures Cherry Valley Lakes RV Resort CVL CRA Gunfire - Severe Emotional Distress Beaumont CA, Parker AZ CA, AZ
*Author of original report: How to contact me
*Author of original report: TOPIC - Why it's a VERY bad idea to allow Park Security to carry guns in a residential RV Park
*Author of original report: Can the owners of an RV Timeshare escape liability by allowing a Park Security person to carry a personal gun???
Whew! Just getting started, have to post to Yelp and so forth too, until I build my own CRA ripoffs website.....
WARNING...I don't want to be accused by them of libel, so let me know if you see anything libelous....
Written and Posted 4-23-19:
I'm a paid up member of Colorado River Adventures. Their headquarters is in AZ. Members refer to it as CRA.
They have an RV timeshare park off I-10 in Beaumont, CA, called Cherry Valley Lakes RV Resort, hereafter referred to as CVL, 36805 Brookside Ave, Cherry Valley, CA 92223.
On the night of Saturday, 4-6-19 at approximately 1:25 am., I was awakened by eight gunshots at Cherry Valley Lakes RV Resort, hereafter referred to as CVL
How did I KNOW they were gunshots? Because I raised up in my bed, looked out the bedroom window of my trailer, and saw flames shoot out approx 1 foot from the barrel of what must have been a semi-auto pistol each time I heard "bang-bang-bang”.......about 15 yards away from my trailer. The flames were pointed toward the large paid storage area of the park.
The park has about 100 RV spaces (with power and water) for visiting timeshare members, and probably 100-200 stored vehicles in the fenced in paid storage area. The paid storage area is about as large as the timeshare spaces and is completely enclosed with warning signs offering a $5,000 reward for info leading to arrest of anyone found breaking and entering the storage area.
Timeshare members must obtain a key to the gate to enter the storage area from the Ranger Station which operates ONLY 8 A.M. to 4:00 pm. Daily. Several of the timeshare RV spaces for visiting members are easily within gunshot range of the storage area.
After seeing the flames from the barrel 45 feet away, I immediately rolled out of my queen size bed and hit the floor of my trailer to protect my body. I froze for about 5 minutes before I got up to check if the shooter was still there (obviously the lights were off inside my trailer) and saw a "golf cart" go behind my trailer along the storage fence headed toward the Ranger Station up front. There's no way for members to directly call "After Hours" Park Security in the middle of the night, Park Rangers can only be called by going to the Ranger Station and using a "Walkie Talkie" to call the after hours Park Ranger. Otherwise the only solution is to call 911.
I debated whether to call 911 while I was lying on the floor hearing "bang-bang-bang......." eight times at about 1 shot per second......I decided the golf cart going by was probably the after hours Security person going to the Ranger Station......maybe someone else already called 911 and he/she was going to meet the Beaumont Police there...........
CVL/CRA hires part-time people to operate as Park Security because they don't have to pay for BENEFITS under CA law if they work less than, I think, 32 hours per week. Some of them are CRA timeshare members, who get a "free, permanent, RV space" in lieu of being paid more than about $ 15 /hr. Some of them are full time.
The people who work security, expecially night time, stay at the park, because, well, you're in Cherry Valley right next to Beaumont. Halfway between San Bernardino and Palm Springs. You can find it with maps.google.com, and even see it with Google Earth or street view. These people are NOT Professional Security services, the do both Park Security and Park Maintenance like electrical, water, sweeping, trash into the dumpsters, cleaning, etc.
They have no firearms training or professional Security training and no professional GUN training provided by CRA/CVL. They often come from AZ since CRA is headquartered in AZ at the Colorado River -- Parker Dam, AZ.
The pistols they own are personal -- I GUESS. Not official CRA Pistols provided by CRA - as far as I know.
Unfortunately, RV travelers often don't realize that CA has stricter FIREARM laws than many other states like AZ. I've never seen a firearm being brandished by a park employee, but I think some of them, especially the night security who is responsible for the storage area, hide pistols in their golf carts while driving around.
I was very afraid seeing flames leap out a foot only 15 yards outside my trailer since a bullet from even a handgun can easily penetrate the lightweight aluminum siding of an RV trailer........I think you get the picture.
In addition, there is other negligence at CVL. The lighting of the storage area and in the timeshare row where I was located is extremely POOR, which is why it was so dark that I couldn't even see the shooter outside my trailer 15 yards away. All I saw was orange flames a foot long firing toward the storage area each time I heard "bang-bang......." as I said, I only saw two of the eight flashes because I hit the floor right away so I wouldn't be killed..........
1. Later, I called the Beaumont PD about it. The officer looked up the records and said they had a 911 call at that time, at the CVL resort, but it wasn't me who called 911, so someone else heard it too.......
2. Someone could be accidentally killed..........
3. Wouldn't carrying a firearm in your golf cart, even if you are authorized security for CRA, and they allow you to carry firearms, require a CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT FOR THE STATE OF CA.?
4. I knew a guy who worked CVL Security two years ago. He worked the midnight shift. He had to monitor the storage area. He told me he was told to call 911 if necessary. I think CRA's employment policy doesn't allow their security people to carry guns.........
5. Severe Emotional Distress......don't stay at CVL in the row next to storage......
Feel free to call me and/or send me any other ripoff reports, I'll include them when I get the CRA Ripoffs website built next week. Oh, BTW, I've heard that they are selling new timeshare memberships without telling new members that they are limited to 5 stays per year at CVL....THAT I heard from a new timeshare member.......
3 Updates & Rebuttals
Redlands,
California,
United States
California,
United States
Can the owners of an RV Timeshare escape liability by allowing a Park Security person to carry a personal gun???
#2Author of original report
Mon, May 06, 2019
BTW, If the owners of an RV Timeshare think they can escape liability by allowing a Park Security person to carry a personal gun, they should think a little harder: It's called "joint and several liability":
- In cases that involve employer liability for employee’s actions, the offending employee can also be found liable, usually under joint and several liability. If only an employee is sued, the employee can generally seek indemnification from the employer if the conduct was within the course and scope of the employment.
Reference: www.hg.org/legal-articles/when-can-an-employer-be-found-liable-for-an-act-of-an-employee-34389
Redlands,
California,
United States
California,
United States
TOPIC - Why it's a VERY bad idea to allow Park Security to carry guns in a residential RV Park
#3Author of original report
Sat, April 27, 2019
"Festuss, you dumb dipstick".......
It's called, "I was reasonably afraid for my life", and it's the most widely used defense in all (police) shootings where someone gets killed. Every police officer knows it. It comes from the laws regarding self defense.
If someone is shooting next to your RV, just point your 12 gauge at the window and pull the trigger. You'll break your window, but who cares when you are reasonably afraid for your life? The police will come arrest you, take you to jail, you'll go to trial and so forth, but does it really matter when you fear for you life? The trial will go to a jury, where the jury will decide, "Would someone who is reasonably afraid for his/her life have done this?" Remember, conviction requires a unanimous verdict. That's why the prosecutor usually offers a plea bargain, something like AWD, assault with a deadly weapon.
Park Security can get in a lot of trouble too. The police might ask, "Why were you shooting a gun?" Not a nice thing to answer if you were outside the storage area and firing into the storage area for some reason, like "I saw someone break into the storage area, and no one is allowed in the storage area after dark." Hmmmm....is it OK to shoot a gun around people camping outside the storage area?
What if the *someone" in the storage area has a gun, like an escaped felon, and returns fire? What if a bullet strikes a camper's RV, or even worse? Guess who is responsible if the management of the Park, or even the management of the Time Share, which might own a dozen parks, is sued? What if the Park does not have a license to carry firearms, or Park Security is not certified to carry guns in business, like a Professional Security Company is? Many questions, too few answers.... Might have to go to court to figure it out.........
- TimeShareSecrets.net
Michael
Redlands,California,
United States
How to contact me
#4Author of original report
Tue, April 23, 2019
Michael Bradley, [email protected], 760-484-3874 (cell), or text me at 909-255-6357. Text is usually best since I use my cell phone as a hotspot. Also I can add you to my gvoice blast list (group text) if you ask me to.....
