Complaint Review: Excel Communications Inc. - Dallas Texas

all you dumdasses who bought that whole " make millions" story we have all heard are probably regreting wasting their time with excel. i myself almost bought the story i heard at the hotel lounge about making more money then i knew what to do with, i mean who wouldn't want to make that much money if it were as easy as they say? doesnt money run the world we live in?.i myself didnt think of doing the work of a lower rep, i didnt want to be their female dog. i thought i could be at the top because i have the drive and motivation to be successful at what ever i lay my hands on. but what i then realized was, if you were at the top of this prymid scheme wouldnt u be a hard and motivated worker? ofcourse you would, you are seeing all the hardwork done by others that have bought this crazy dream of a select few " get rich quick" thinkers. the top 1% of excel makes more then the rest of the 99% of its so called employees. just like any other corprate american job the top dog drives the vipers and bentleys around. it doesnt take much to figure out the whole plan if you just stop to think about it. to all the excel employees that believed so much in the stories they have heard, im sorry! but think of this: if you were the top dog of excel ( the master of the get rich scheme) wouldnt u want to drive the most expensive car around and have fun all day while others did your work? of course you would and all you have to do is sell a crazy idea to others that are willing to do your work while you get rich. you the lower reps of excel are the workin rats of that company. while your out makin money on very low commision the rest of that profit is going straight to the pockets of that top 1%, hence the prymid scheme. the ones that sold you the idea of making millions actually made it, that is true. but all they have done for you was to sell their dream of getting rich quick to you and tell their stories. id sure like to hear their stories now that they have became bankrupt wouldnt you? it was only a matter of time before the empire of excel came crumbling down.and what do you do now? start over again just to watch the same thing happen. have fun.

URGENT! EXCEL REPRESENTATIVES Firstly, you need to know that the recent events that have taken place surrounding Excel Communications truly saddens me as a network marketer and I am empathetic to the reps within that company who have put a lot of time and energy into building their business with Excel. I would like to know if you are still interested in pursing your home based business? If you are, then here is some exciting news for you. If you are not, then who do you know from Excel who may be looking to pursue their business in deregulation. INFORMATION YOU NEED TO HAVE! ACN IS OFFERING FREE TRANSFERS UNTIL NOV 19. HONESTY, INTEGRITY, & SUPPORT. ACN Canada's top producing Regional Vice President would like to talk to you. Our Vision Force team has excellent training, tools and a support system in place that is second to none, and we'd be happy to help you build your business. We are ready and willing to help any Excel Rep anywhere in the world to transfer and grow their business. Are you ready to get started? www.dothis4u.com 1-866-696-2815 Please include REFERENCE # 01006563

EXCEL REPS LOOKING FOR A HOME? ACN Canada's top producing Regional Vice President lives in B.C. and is able to offer FREE entry into ACN until November 19,2004. www.dothis4u.com 1-866-696-2815 Must include reference number 01006563 Sally Walker 519-583-0743

VarTec, Excel's corporate parent, filed for bankruptcy protection on November 1, 2004, and said their Excel subsidiary would stop selling products and services through independent reps. You can find details at the website of the Dallas Morning news (dallasnews.com). You can imagine what kind of golden parachutes the guys at the top have rigged up for themselves, leaving the so-called "independent reps" at the bottom holding the bag. And go it goes. . .

If you all have read, Excel has filed BK11. Excel is over for the reps, hence could be viewed as an unethical business practice. I did Excel for a while, made some good money at it, too a long time ago. I could not keep the business alive and convice enough people to stay with me. Eventually, I was alientating people - because this business is marketed on one's personal time. Excel is over and MLM is a BIG WASTE OF TIME. There are better ways to make money in the US. Think like an immigrant - be creative and innovate new ideas! I did - started a mortgage company. I made $150,000 my first year - I created my own luck, my own job and for me - I did get rich and I didn't have to swindle someone into "the business!"

Earlier in these reports a respondent brought up the famous, What would Donald Trump do if he lost his billions? argument. Bill Gates was asked the same question and he answered the same as Trump: MLM. But the part of the story that is usually left out is what they said was that they would START THEIR OWN MLM companies. Can you see Trump or Gates paying $400 to join some poor schmuck's Excel downline and then badgering their relatives and friends to join, too? Not on your life! People who think like Trump and Gates don't buy prepackaged formulas for success because they know it's a loser. They'd rather create and market their own prepackaged formulas because that's where the real money is. They start from scratch and build their businesses through the efforts of others. They build their pyramids from the top downand it's only the guy(s) at the top of the pyramid, or very close to it, who make the SERIOUS money. People like Trump and Gates understand the REAL nature of MLM businesses. That's why they would start at the top and let others work their way down. Before you Excel shills bring up Paul Orberson in a last-ditch attempt to prove that you, too, can become a millionaire through Excel because he did, remember that Orberson got into the Excel pyramid early and he's now pretty close to the top. Someone getting into it today is entering a market that is just about fully saturated. If Orberson was just now getting into Excel as a new recruit do you think he could go as far as he did years ago simply by following the Excel formula? Also, keep in mind that every new recruit becomes part of Orberson's downline because he's so far up in the pyramid. That's why he has a good reason to keep selling the dream. It wouldn't really be fair to equate Orberson and Excel with out-and-out scamsters like John Beck (Free and Clear real estate) but I can't help noticing a striking similarity in their marketing approaches. They're both selling success fantasies based on formulas that might have worked for them years ago but are now pretty much obsolete because of new laws and market saturation. Success doesn't come in a $400 (or more) box marked guaranteed business success kit. It comes through work, education, experience and (this is another part they leave out) quite a lot of plain old-fashioned LUCK. The REAL successes in this world play their own game, not somebody else's.

As an Independent Representative for EurExcel (Excel in Europe)and having read most of the above reportsI would like to point outthe following 1.Yes - you do make money with excel -(EurExcel) 2. It is not a job - you get paid for what you do.(So don't expect weekly pay outs - if you are not working your business) 3.It takes time and effort to build your Excel business - like any business. 4.Take time out to learn and understand MLM 5.It doesn't matter what MLM company you partner up with the principle stays the same. 6.If you fail - you fail - don't blame the company. 7.If your sponsor leaves or doesn't support you -find people in your organization who will. 8. People who say it's a scam - are probably the one's who have failed - and have never run a traditional business. 9.Be prepared to work any MLM or Traditional business 5-10 years before you make any serious money.

I have been with Excel for approximately 5 months. I have read every posting on this. This is definitely not a "pyramid scam" like some of these have reported. I have been in "Corporate America" with other organizations in excess of 20 years and it appears that the green eyed monster is evident - jealousy. Individuals didn't get to the top because it was given to them. It goes with the old saying my father taught me - if you work - you get paid. If they go back to the basics of when they first were hired, they would know that Excel's business model works. There is nothing unethical about it. Do they not think that "Corporate America" runs the same way? If they don't like Excel, they need to just move on.

Now, a broke person, such as many of you, has instructed me that i needed to check this out because there's things that i just don't know yet about this "pyramid scheme" i'm doing. I absolutly love this stuff. All this trash talk about the company is hilarious. First of all whoever's trash talking the company are the ones who have failed. Second of all your broke. Your the same people who say Atkins is absolutly terrible for you. Pretty much the same people who try atkins lose a couple pounds and gain it all back because you don't stick to the plan. I'm not ripping on your broke mentality, i like it. Without you broke people i wouldn't have someone to wax my rims, so please keep up the good work. Instead of finding a way to make more money, you insist on researching things and coming up with a million and one ways why something wont work. Well while you do that, i think im going to continue to wake up at 2 pm and drive my Mercedes to my office and procede to work for 2 more years, and be done. If you think MLM is terrible and blah blah blah, well then call Donald Trump a fool. He was asked what he would do if he lost his billions, and he responded that he'd do a mlm company. Hmmm... should i take donald trumps advice, or my broke parents. That's a tough one. I really do love broke people, though. Francising was almost deemed illegal years ago, but they let it go through. And now it's 40% of business in America. Just watch what's happening with MLM, other major companies are trying mlm because of effective the marketing plan is. Ohh.. one that i really love is, "anything where you have to pay to get into something is a scam" lolololl. I love it!!!!!!! You guys are great! Have you ever heard of college? Wow, pay thousands of dollars to try and make more money... hmmm. Have you heard of investing or it takes money to make money. Or bill gates didn't start out with any capital? So funny... For anyone who's inquiring on Excel, understand it's not easy, not everyone will make it, but everyone can. The thing that will give you success is drive. If you have the drive to succeed you will. Don't be influenced by broke people they are the last people to take financial advice from because.......THEY'RE BROKE!! So, my broke associates... WAX ON...WAX OFF!

This messages goes to Matt. You said "If excel was a scam, then i would have been shut down 15 years ago." You end your post with "i just got a house and an Audi..i'm 20..." I'm only a 22-year-old college student, but I beleive that 20 years of age, minus 15 years of labor, would mean you were.... FIVE! When you started working with Excel? So Excel hires CHILDREN to do their bidding? Isn't there child-labor laws?

If Vartec owns Excel, Who owns Vartec? Go to http://www.tec.com . How can Vartec / Excel be the largest privatly owned communications company in the world? Explain and do not be in denial.

I'm trully sorry i wasted the last 20 mins. of my life reading garbage after garbage. If excel was a scam, then i would have been shut down 15 years ago. If excel wanted your money then they would take more than 399 to get started because they pay out 425 in coding, and 100 for MR bonus. hmmm do the math everybody. yes i'm an excel rep and yes i see commas weekly, i'm not here to brag i'm only here to testify that if you do the work it will pay you. If you get a job with a starting salary of 900/per hour and you never show up, how much do you make? if you get into excel and never do anything then how much do you make... excel just offers you to get paid for the work you do, unlike working a job. If your a dog catcher and you catch 40 dogs one day and then 12 the next at 8.00/per hour you make the same. if you sign up 80 customers today next month you get more money...if you sign up 80 reps today you get more money if you sign up 0 reps today you get paid on the 80 you signed up yesterday and your customers and theirs. get it...if you dont do yourself a favor and ask Robert Kyosaki(spelling?) and Bill Gates how they would earn their fortunes back if they lost it... they would join a great MLM company...hmm 1.4billion dollars in 7 years 10months i would jump on that ship, and the kid who bought the infinity...great work man i just got a house and an Audi..i'm 20...

I'm trully sorry i wasted the last 20 mins. of my life reading garbage after garbage. If excel was a scam, then i would have been shut down 15 years ago. If excel wanted your money then they would take more than 399 to get started because they pay out 425 in coding, and 100 for MR bonus. hmmm do the math everybody. yes i'm an excel rep and yes i see commas weekly, i'm not here to brag i'm only here to testify that if you do the work it will pay you. If you get a job with a starting salary of 900/per hour and you never show up, how much do you make? if you get into excel and never do anything then how much do you make... excel just offers you to get paid for the work you do, unlike working a job. If your a dog catcher and you catch 40 dogs one day and then 12 the next at 8.00/per hour you make the same. if you sign up 80 customers today next month you get more money...if you sign up 80 reps today you get more money if you sign up 0 reps today you get paid on the 80 you signed up yesterday and your customers and theirs. get it...if you dont do yourself a favor and ask Robert Kyosaki(spelling?) and Bill Gates how they would earn their fortunes back if they lost it... they would join a great MLM company...hmm 1.4billion dollars in 7 years 10months i would jump on that ship, and the kid who bought the infinity...great work man i just got a house and an Audi..i'm 20...

I'm trully sorry i wasted the last 20 mins. of my life reading garbage after garbage. If excel was a scam, then i would have been shut down 15 years ago. If excel wanted your money then they would take more than 399 to get started because they pay out 425 in coding, and 100 for MR bonus. hmmm do the math everybody. yes i'm an excel rep and yes i see commas weekly, i'm not here to brag i'm only here to testify that if you do the work it will pay you. If you get a job with a starting salary of 900/per hour and you never show up, how much do you make? if you get into excel and never do anything then how much do you make... excel just offers you to get paid for the work you do, unlike working a job. If your a dog catcher and you catch 40 dogs one day and then 12 the next at 8.00/per hour you make the same. if you sign up 80 customers today next month you get more money...if you sign up 80 reps today you get more money if you sign up 0 reps today you get paid on the 80 you signed up yesterday and your customers and theirs. get it...if you dont do yourself a favor and ask Robert Kyosaki(spelling?) and Bill Gates how they would earn their fortunes back if they lost it... they would join a great MLM company...hmm 1.4billion dollars in 7 years 10months i would jump on that ship, and the kid who bought the infinity...great work man i just got a house and an Audi..i'm 20...

I'm trully sorry i wasted the last 20 mins. of my life reading garbage after garbage. If excel was a scam, then i would have been shut down 15 years ago. If excel wanted your money then they would take more than 399 to get started because they pay out 425 in coding, and 100 for MR bonus. hmmm do the math everybody. yes i'm an excel rep and yes i see commas weekly, i'm not here to brag i'm only here to testify that if you do the work it will pay you. If you get a job with a starting salary of 900/per hour and you never show up, how much do you make? if you get into excel and never do anything then how much do you make... excel just offers you to get paid for the work you do, unlike working a job. If your a dog catcher and you catch 40 dogs one day and then 12 the next at 8.00/per hour you make the same. if you sign up 80 customers today next month you get more money...if you sign up 80 reps today you get more money if you sign up 0 reps today you get paid on the 80 you signed up yesterday and your customers and theirs. get it...if you dont do yourself a favor and ask Robert Kyosaki(spelling?) and Bill Gates how they would earn their fortunes back if they lost it... they would join a great MLM company...hmm 1.4billion dollars in 7 years 10months i would jump on that ship, and the kid who bought the infinity...great work man i just got a house and an Audi..i'm 20...

I am not a with Excel in any way, but was curious about it. What I don't understand is if you are so successful in it, why would you come to www.ripoffreport.com? Do you feel the need to check and make sure no one has anything bad to say about your investment? Sorry, but in my opinion, if you feel the need to come to a site and say "I am with such-and-such company and I am rich", you are either lying or work up in the company. Seriously, I think it's all the people that are "for" this company that make me not want to get involved because I don't understand why anyone would go through the trouble of sending emails and arguing with others online. It just all sounds too made up for me.

Hey, I've been an Excel Rep for about 15 months now and I'm not even going to waste my time typing out some long informative letter about our company. All I know, is because of Excel, I have just purchased a brand new Infiniti G35 Coupe with cash money. I'm only 22 years old. Therefore, ya'll can waste your time on these forums all you want, bacause the truth is...I'm 22 and am making more than 98% of the people in the U.S. So, just keep wasting your time on the forums, and stay broke! I'll be gettin' rich with Excel. Mark CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report. Call me if you don't believe me!

Okay. Question for myself, How do I start? I have read many of the responces to this issue of reported Scam. I have searched the internt to find an answer that only a 3rd party could... and I am shocked to read some of the remarks here. Yes, I have been in contact with many of the Reps. I have enjoyed the meetings I was invited to, and I have had some of my questions answered - even those I forgot to ask. But I didnt hear about this Home Business until my wife asked "Honey, can we do this?" At first my answer was no, but with her puppydog eyes I would appease her by looking at it. When she and the Rep started talking on the phone, you would think they had known each other for life. Boys and Girls, its not about the dollar to me. Its a personal Vibe one gets or Gut Feeling when you know its right or wrong. Folks, I have gone to College. I have been experienced with the Business World. I have lost money, and I have gained money. Thats just life. Its what you do thats makes you or breaks you. Did you studdy for that class test of yours? Did you go to work or play hooky? With some money in my pocket and the dream of owning my own business, Yes I have tried some first-startup businesses and home business before - Without success! I know how hard it is to get a customer to buy your product even when you know your product isnt worth what yer asking for. Thats why I got out of sales. Why should I try to go to door PUSHING a product, when I know it wont sell. Although I'm working now in a 40 hour job, and brining in a nice paycheck. I am not fooling around when it comes to a PAYCHECK. I have a family to watch out for and take care of. Making sure that there is Milk on the table instead of partying it away. So I stress "I KNOW" what you're seeking, what you're feeling. It comes down to what my wife wants now that I have a wife and kids. She wants to be an Active-Mother who goes to the kids Ball Games, Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts, PTA meetings, what moms should all have a chance to do. If yer always working to pay the bills and have little time for your family - Then whats the point? To make life better after they have grown up and left the house? Although I have heard of these terms, I really dont know the insides of "MLM" MM LML LLL LL LM ML but I have heard and seen many small home business with the "Pyramid" or "Tree Branches". I know some work and I know some dont. I dont trust many of them and I ignore most of the rest. So now that I have been long winded here. Lets do our home work. I'll answer most of your question with Three simple statements. Becuase with me typing this out.. I have decided to join. Even though I came to see a way out. 1) Investing your money is what anyone does to start up a business. In this case, you are purchasing the rights to Excel. Its not only one product or service, it's many. You are purchasing the resell rights to a local phone company, a long distance service carrier, a mobil phone service, an internet service provider. Who would want to resell one of these babies, let alone all of them? Especially when there is no inventory or equipment to buy. If you're worried about one lump some of $400/membership, see it in a business matter. There are "LEASE", or Payment plans. 2) Earning a continous Buck is something every business needs to continue the business Success. So what an independent contracter needs is that customers be happy. Why would Excel be number 1 if it wasn't having continuous customers? You only need 1 customer to sign up with excel to make a return. That customer can even be yourself. Wouldn't you want a phone service for less? Get enough customers and see your income grow in a way beyond a normal paycheck. And Past Your Investment. 3) MLM or Pyramid issue... So this is my favorite Issue that can simply be put as "True In What Way?!" If your in fear that you need to get others to sell under you, you are wrong. Excel has many ways of earning that buck. Getting reps under you is just one of those ways. You earn a % of what they earn... and isnt that just wonderful :) So I want to Thank You(Everyone) that has posted. I was in fear of being scammed so I searched and found this site. I have read your remarks and was "SCARED" at first. I even let my wife read them for her opinion, and she said that now she was Skeptical. So I re-read this again, and was simply going to post a comment/question. Thus I found my answer. Let the average reader or those seeking to find out the truth know this. Do Your Homework, ask questions, and read both sides of the issue. Dont let these remarks scare you like it did us at first.

Okay. Question for myself, How do I start? I have read many of the responces to this issue of reported Scam. I have searched the internt to find an answer that only a 3rd party could... and I am shocked to read some of the remarks here. Yes, I have been in contact with many of the Reps. I have enjoyed the meetings I was invited to, and I have had some of my questions answered - even those I forgot to ask. But I didnt hear about this Home Business until my wife asked "Honey, can we do this?" At first my answer was no, but with her puppydog eyes I would appease her by looking at it. When she and the Rep started talking on the phone, you would think they had known each other for life. Boys and Girls, its not about the dollar to me. Its a personal Vibe one gets or Gut Feeling when you know its right or wrong. Folks, I have gone to College. I have been experienced with the Business World. I have lost money, and I have gained money. Thats just life. Its what you do thats makes you or breaks you. Did you studdy for that class test of yours? Did you go to work or play hooky? With some money in my pocket and the dream of owning my own business, Yes I have tried some first-startup businesses and home business before - Without success! I know how hard it is to get a customer to buy your product even when you know your product isnt worth what yer asking for. Thats why I got out of sales. Why should I try to go to door PUSHING a product, when I know it wont sell. Although I'm working now in a 40 hour job, and brining in a nice paycheck. I am not fooling around when it comes to a PAYCHECK. I have a family to watch out for and take care of. Making sure that there is Milk on the table instead of partying it away. So I stress "I KNOW" what you're seeking, what you're feeling. It comes down to what my wife wants now that I have a wife and kids. She wants to be an Active-Mother who goes to the kids Ball Games, Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts, PTA meetings, what moms should all have a chance to do. If yer always working to pay the bills and have little time for your family - Then whats the point? To make life better after they have grown up and left the house? Although I have heard of these terms, I really dont know the insides of "MLM" MM LML LLL LL LM ML but I have heard and seen many small home business with the "Pyramid" or "Tree Branches". I know some work and I know some dont. I dont trust many of them and I ignore most of the rest. So now that I have been long winded here. Lets do our home work. I'll answer most of your question with Three simple statements. Becuase with me typing this out.. I have decided to join. Even though I came to see a way out. 1) Investing your money is what anyone does to start up a business. In this case, you are purchasing the rights to Excel. Its not only one product or service, it's many. You are purchasing the resell rights to a local phone company, a long distance service carrier, a mobil phone service, an internet service provider. Who would want to resell one of these babies, let alone all of them? Especially when there is no inventory or equipment to buy. If you're worried about one lump some of $400/membership, see it in a business matter. There are "LEASE", or Payment plans. 2) Earning a continous Buck is something every business needs to continue the business Success. So what an independent contracter needs is that customers be happy. Why would Excel be number 1 if it wasn't having continuous customers? You only need 1 customer to sign up with excel to make a return. That customer can even be yourself. Wouldn't you want a phone service for less? Get enough customers and see your income grow in a way beyond a normal paycheck. And Past Your Investment. 3) MLM or Pyramid issue... So this is my favorite Issue that can simply be put as "True In What Way?!" If your in fear that you need to get others to sell under you, you are wrong. Excel has many ways of earning that buck. Getting reps under you is just one of those ways. You earn a % of what they earn... and isnt that just wonderful :) So I want to Thank You(Everyone) that has posted. I was in fear of being scammed so I searched and found this site. I have read your remarks and was "SCARED" at first. I even let my wife read them for her opinion, and she said that now she was Skeptical. So I re-read this again, and was simply going to post a comment/question. Thus I found my answer. Let the average reader or those seeking to find out the truth know this. Do Your Homework, ask questions, and read both sides of the issue. Dont let these remarks scare you like it did us at first.

Okay. Question for myself, How do I start? I have read many of the responces to this issue of reported Scam. I have searched the internt to find an answer that only a 3rd party could... and I am shocked to read some of the remarks here. Yes, I have been in contact with many of the Reps. I have enjoyed the meetings I was invited to, and I have had some of my questions answered - even those I forgot to ask. But I didnt hear about this Home Business until my wife asked "Honey, can we do this?" At first my answer was no, but with her puppydog eyes I would appease her by looking at it. When she and the Rep started talking on the phone, you would think they had known each other for life. Boys and Girls, its not about the dollar to me. Its a personal Vibe one gets or Gut Feeling when you know its right or wrong. Folks, I have gone to College. I have been experienced with the Business World. I have lost money, and I have gained money. Thats just life. Its what you do thats makes you or breaks you. Did you studdy for that class test of yours? Did you go to work or play hooky? With some money in my pocket and the dream of owning my own business, Yes I have tried some first-startup businesses and home business before - Without success! I know how hard it is to get a customer to buy your product even when you know your product isnt worth what yer asking for. Thats why I got out of sales. Why should I try to go to door PUSHING a product, when I know it wont sell. Although I'm working now in a 40 hour job, and brining in a nice paycheck. I am not fooling around when it comes to a PAYCHECK. I have a family to watch out for and take care of. Making sure that there is Milk on the table instead of partying it away. So I stress "I KNOW" what you're seeking, what you're feeling. It comes down to what my wife wants now that I have a wife and kids. She wants to be an Active-Mother who goes to the kids Ball Games, Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts, PTA meetings, what moms should all have a chance to do. If yer always working to pay the bills and have little time for your family - Then whats the point? To make life better after they have grown up and left the house? Although I have heard of these terms, I really dont know the insides of "MLM" MM LML LLL LL LM ML but I have heard and seen many small home business with the "Pyramid" or "Tree Branches". I know some work and I know some dont. I dont trust many of them and I ignore most of the rest. So now that I have been long winded here. Lets do our home work. I'll answer most of your question with Three simple statements. Becuase with me typing this out.. I have decided to join. Even though I came to see a way out. 1) Investing your money is what anyone does to start up a business. In this case, you are purchasing the rights to Excel. Its not only one product or service, it's many. You are purchasing the resell rights to a local phone company, a long distance service carrier, a mobil phone service, an internet service provider. Who would want to resell one of these babies, let alone all of them? Especially when there is no inventory or equipment to buy. If you're worried about one lump some of $400/membership, see it in a business matter. There are "LEASE", or Payment plans. 2) Earning a continous Buck is something every business needs to continue the business Success. So what an independent contracter needs is that customers be happy. Why would Excel be number 1 if it wasn't having continuous customers? You only need 1 customer to sign up with excel to make a return. That customer can even be yourself. Wouldn't you want a phone service for less? Get enough customers and see your income grow in a way beyond a normal paycheck. And Past Your Investment. 3) MLM or Pyramid issue... So this is my favorite Issue that can simply be put as "True In What Way?!" If your in fear that you need to get others to sell under you, you are wrong. Excel has many ways of earning that buck. Getting reps under you is just one of those ways. You earn a % of what they earn... and isnt that just wonderful :) So I want to Thank You(Everyone) that has posted. I was in fear of being scammed so I searched and found this site. I have read your remarks and was "SCARED" at first. I even let my wife read them for her opinion, and she said that now she was Skeptical. So I re-read this again, and was simply going to post a comment/question. Thus I found my answer. Let the average reader or those seeking to find out the truth know this. Do Your Homework, ask questions, and read both sides of the issue. Dont let these remarks scare you like it did us at first.

Okay. Question for myself, How do I start? I have read many of the responces to this issue of reported Scam. I have searched the internt to find an answer that only a 3rd party could... and I am shocked to read some of the remarks here. Yes, I have been in contact with many of the Reps. I have enjoyed the meetings I was invited to, and I have had some of my questions answered - even those I forgot to ask. But I didnt hear about this Home Business until my wife asked "Honey, can we do this?" At first my answer was no, but with her puppydog eyes I would appease her by looking at it. When she and the Rep started talking on the phone, you would think they had known each other for life. Boys and Girls, its not about the dollar to me. Its a personal Vibe one gets or Gut Feeling when you know its right or wrong. Folks, I have gone to College. I have been experienced with the Business World. I have lost money, and I have gained money. Thats just life. Its what you do thats makes you or breaks you. Did you studdy for that class test of yours? Did you go to work or play hooky? With some money in my pocket and the dream of owning my own business, Yes I have tried some first-startup businesses and home business before - Without success! I know how hard it is to get a customer to buy your product even when you know your product isnt worth what yer asking for. Thats why I got out of sales. Why should I try to go to door PUSHING a product, when I know it wont sell. Although I'm working now in a 40 hour job, and brining in a nice paycheck. I am not fooling around when it comes to a PAYCHECK. I have a family to watch out for and take care of. Making sure that there is Milk on the table instead of partying it away. So I stress "I KNOW" what you're seeking, what you're feeling. It comes down to what my wife wants now that I have a wife and kids. She wants to be an Active-Mother who goes to the kids Ball Games, Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts, PTA meetings, what moms should all have a chance to do. If yer always working to pay the bills and have little time for your family - Then whats the point? To make life better after they have grown up and left the house? Although I have heard of these terms, I really dont know the insides of "MLM" MM LML LLL LL LM ML but I have heard and seen many small home business with the "Pyramid" or "Tree Branches". I know some work and I know some dont. I dont trust many of them and I ignore most of the rest. So now that I have been long winded here. Lets do our home work. I'll answer most of your question with Three simple statements. Becuase with me typing this out.. I have decided to join. Even though I came to see a way out. 1) Investing your money is what anyone does to start up a business. In this case, you are purchasing the rights to Excel. Its not only one product or service, it's many. You are purchasing the resell rights to a local phone company, a long distance service carrier, a mobil phone service, an internet service provider. Who would want to resell one of these babies, let alone all of them? Especially when there is no inventory or equipment to buy. If you're worried about one lump some of $400/membership, see it in a business matter. There are "LEASE", or Payment plans. 2) Earning a continous Buck is something every business needs to continue the business Success. So what an independent contracter needs is that customers be happy. Why would Excel be number 1 if it wasn't having continuous customers? You only need 1 customer to sign up with excel to make a return. That customer can even be yourself. Wouldn't you want a phone service for less? Get enough customers and see your income grow in a way beyond a normal paycheck. And Past Your Investment. 3) MLM or Pyramid issue... So this is my favorite Issue that can simply be put as "True In What Way?!" If your in fear that you need to get others to sell under you, you are wrong. Excel has many ways of earning that buck. Getting reps under you is just one of those ways. You earn a % of what they earn... and isnt that just wonderful :) So I want to Thank You(Everyone) that has posted. I was in fear of being scammed so I searched and found this site. I have read your remarks and was "SCARED" at first. I even let my wife read them for her opinion, and she said that now she was Skeptical. So I re-read this again, and was simply going to post a comment/question. Thus I found my answer. Let the average reader or those seeking to find out the truth know this. Do Your Homework, ask questions, and read both sides of the issue. Dont let these remarks scare you like it did us at first.

i have readed all the page that say excel telecommunications is so good boy do they have you blinded i was with them for 2 months and the said my first bill would be 52.95 plus taxs the bill was 80.plus the they said promised it would be 49.95 plus taxs again but it was $70.37 so i left them. then they sent a bill for $37.17 but when i call they said i did not own it the i get a letter from them on 02/04/04 saying it was going to be turned ove to a outside collection agency. they lied from the start they did not tell me of the prorate they mess up and let anyone see my number so do not preach to me about them i can not stand someone that lies me and they did i have called and called and got no justice they do not do what they say and that is bad to do if they want to do right the just do it the name of the man the said my next bill would be 49.95 plus taxs was danny stickland i have talk to becky gipson, chris burgess a lady by the name of orcheil and i had to pay a bill they said i did not own hahahahahahahahahah boy what a joke they are

The true bottom line is short and sweet. Excel reps work hard and success is guaranteed. Excel reps who don't work hard fail and cry scam! Poor people complain! Rich people work hard and find ways to succeed! I am with Excel!! I am rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The true bottom line is short and sweet. Excel reps work hard and success is guaranteed. Excel reps who don't work hard fail and cry scam! Poor people complain! Rich people work hard and find ways to succeed! I am with Excel!! I am rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The true bottom line is short and sweet. Excel reps work hard and success is guaranteed. Excel reps who don't work hard fail and cry scam! Poor people complain! Rich people work hard and find ways to succeed! I am with Excel!! I am rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The true bottom line is short and sweet. Excel reps work hard and success is guaranteed. Excel reps who don't work hard fail and cry scam! Poor people complain! Rich people work hard and find ways to succeed! I am with Excel!! I am rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well it seems everyone is skilled at making a point. Or just got back from a business presentation with the sales juice still flowing. Don't get me wrong i love to see people who are passionate about what they do or say. It's just that Jack & Benny you two seem to be trying to sell each other on your version of MLM. Not to say that good points haven't been made.Quite the contrary. Training for new reps should be highly focused on & checked up on regularly, otherwise it is wasted manpower & inefficient. However as Benny said there are lazy people out there who just get into these things because they think it's easy money(no such thing). It's aggrivating to see these people cry scam, fraud ,rip-off as a result of thier own lack of motivation. The bottom line though is MONEY.if your making it good. But it won't stay that way if your dishonest or consumers are surprized with thier service. What i am highly interested in though is this Kyosaki method i kept reading about Jack. I have looked in all the populer bookstores & came up empty. thanks

I have read all your comments, the bottom line here is this: MLM, Pyramid, Up Line Down Line, does not really matter. When you accept a Job, Position, Business Opportunity.. It is your responsibility to assure you have all the details before investing. I have joined my share of these programs, I have Lost money, made money and broken even. More often than not I have lost money. BUT I KNEW WHAT I WAS GOING INTO!! Getting upset when you dont get rich quick is foolish. Don't get jellious over the ones at the top who worked hard to get there and now enjoy the benefits of their hard work. Now, would I join EXCEL? No, I looked at the program, I didnt like the ladder, I dont have the warm sales base to get it going correctly. Will I ever try another type of this program, maybe.. Again, you can only blame yourself if YOU didnt get all the details, and I might add IN WRITING! Stop crying over spilt milk, clean it upo and get on with life.

Well, I have read Jack and friends reports. I am not sure where they came from? I have no college education. I am not a smooth businessman or anything of the sort. But, because of Excel I have not had a job for over 7 years, I have been involved for 8 years 2 months. I just turned 30 years old, so if you do the math, you can make a safe assumption, I did not have 'big contacts' going in. I cannot imagine a better opportunity for an individual truly looking for one. It has been my experience that people compaining about us or what we do truly don't know what we do. I used to have a word for broke experts but I now choose to keep it to myself. Look at the terms and conditions before you join or don't, just as one should with any opportunity. What ever your choice, find a company that works for you.

Hi all, While I don't have any firsthand experience with Excel, my girlfriend's mother knew a few individuals who "got burned" going through Excel. I'll post back when I talk to her to give details. I do have a friend now that is starting out, and I hope him the most of success. Being a college student with Financial Aid, I hope he never has to worry about his student loans ever again.

I believe Jack and Ben are both right, for the most part. I would say Jack is a way too negative, and Ben is too much the rah-rah type. The company must be open to criticism, but it should be expressed in a positive way. I think if you are benefitting from Excel by promoting their products, it is way out of line to accuse the company of running a scam-scam-scam. And Ben reminds me of a rep in my upline who runs meetings with a lot of hype and few real facts. I would prefer the meetings have a more balanced formula to attract those who are more business-minded rather than just trying to get everyone to signup so the coded reps will get their bonuses. I am a Excel rep for only 4 months now and am continuing to learn as I go. I got into Excel to do exactly what the offer suggests, gather a few customers and help others do the same. The key word here is "Help". I have some ideas and experiences to pass on to my new downline but the Excel training has been no help at all. Excel training is terribly insufficient and in no way prepares a new rep for what (s)he is likely to encounter when trying to recruit customers and new reps when they get started. I have been to some meetings and the hype is just not for me. I agree that the heavily biased presentation could result in turning one from optomistic to disappointed in a fairly short time. But what really worries me is added Risk inflicted on existing reps when Excel decides to make a rule change and changes what a rep must do to remain eligible and qualified to receive comepensation. In my case, I start out with a plan and a goal, only to find I have to change course when Excel removes incentives which makes it harder to recruit new reps, and changes the compensation eligibility requirements. I can live with the July 1st change, but what comes next? Will I get near my goal, only to find out that I have to start over because the rules have changed? I do not think Excel is a scam. I think it is a great opportunity. You risk some time and a few hundred bucks to start your own business and it could really pay off in an ongoing way (as long as they don't keep changing the rules). This payoff can benefit not only the rep, but because it is a business, it can be passed on to the next generation. The product line is ideal for a home business person to manage compared to every other comparable home business I have encountered. I do worry that the coded reps have way too much influence in formulating Excel Canada policy. I believe it is much more important to gather customers to use the excellent and affordable products and reward the reps through the residual income stream, than it is grow the organization by getting more bonuses for coded reps. I think the residual income stream is the 'legitimate' part of the business, but the coded rep part does appear more 'pyramid-like' as it is only money going up the line from recruiting reps rather than from customer usage. Well, that's the rookie view anyway. Good luck to all.

Ben, Your comment "The new compensation plan does encourage reps to have bigger team, but you can still focus on products only and reach the 6-digit figure income monthly that you were talking about." Herin lies the Key to the whole problem. #1 Excel is not to blame for paying people for product. I agree with your point here. #2 While the new comp plan encourages recruting almost exclusively. I say almost because the sponsor must make sure that the rep gets 10 points to get fully bonused but the upline only cares about 2 points. In my book this amount of product with a 2% payout is rediculous and will not result in a sustainable income to any rep and is just a hairs breadth over the line of not being a pyramid since most people can't consume 10 points so the internal consumption rule is satisfied but just barely. #3 Training for new reps is truly pathetic. They train you on how to do 2 things. Beg, bribe or whine for 20 customer points and recruit anything with a pulse and a social security number. They DO NOT teach anything about how to get and maintain a large customer base, recruit and train quality people as opposed to recruiting a pulse. Whose fault is this? The leadership, the TPC and others responsible for the "new" comp plan. In the end it's the new rep who is hurt and their customers when they find that they were lied to. Case in point. The Mom of a young candidate who used to be in Excel about 5 years ago (the Mom that is) and thought it was a scam then! She happened to mention it to us since she knows we work with Excel. I said that there was nothing I could do since her son had already been invited to a meeting and if he signs up he has to go with them since he talked to them first. She asked if it was ok if he called me and I said yes but there was nothing I could do. The young lad came back from "Advanced Training" and said that he wasn't impressed since they didn't talk about anything but recruiting. He wanted "a real business not some pyramid scam where people get paid 99.99% for recruiting." His words not mine. In the end he bailed and I said nothing to him. I told him to come back and see me in 6 months because I don't want to be accused of rep stealing. In the meantime his mom reactivated her position under me. Hmmmmmm this is extremely common I wonder why!?! My team is made up of 80% former reps from Excel. Who is at fault? Not Excel, Not the company leadership but the MLM field leadership. This is the face that the public sees and as a result at least wherever I've been there are a lot of people "not impressed" by what Excel is. It's kind of funny. So to summarize for rep candidates. If you get someone taking you to a meeting ask them about how to run a real business. I'll leave the questions to you with one bit of advice. Go and get the Kyosaki books. Ask them about the team pyramid and each of it's legs. While product is the smallest part of the pyramid in focus it's the largest in the end it keeps everyone working. Then you will have your questions. 9 times out of 10 you will absoloutely shred a high $ recruiting rep and a business rep will have every one of your questions answered. Excel Training is a joke. You are taught to find mostly pretty and personable people even if they don't even have a brain. Then put people under them and then hold them up and say look at what this person did. Complete lie. I can't tell you the number of people who were not deemed "pretty" enough who were just slapped in some downline to promote someone and then left by the way side to die. I remember hearing from the STAGE at excelebration last year that your strategy should be to recruit as many people as you can and hope they don't quit, resign or otherwise exit the business before you get your promotion. I was not impressed. So in the end new recruits you need to be aware of what they are doing. Use your brain. Think out of the box but do some reading and make your decision with your brain not your emotion. As in Kiosaki's books he notes that if you make decisions with your emotions you run a high risk of making a lot of bad decisions.

Jack, you said you are making 6 digits figure montly from Excel(assumed, because that was what was I talking about). and you call Excel a scam. That's interesting. You said you focus on commision of the products to make that much money. The new plan does not change the % of commision at all, or it does not change the requirement to get the commision. So it doesn't affect your income. So what kind of scam is Excel if they pay you 6 digits figure income monthly, especially when you focus on products only? And you said your downline is making money too, so why is it a scam? The new compensation plan does encourage reps to have bigger team, but you can still focus on products only and reach the 6-digit figure income monthly that you were talking about. Again, what kind of scam will pay you 6-digits income even when you focus on products?

Jack, you said you are making 6 digits figure montly from Excel(assumed, because that was what was I talking about). and you call Excel a scam. That's interesting. You said you focus on commision of the products to make that much money. The new plan does not change the % of commision at all, or it does not change the requirement to get the commision. So it doesn't affect your income. So what kind of scam is Excel if they pay you 6 digits figure income monthly, especially when you focus on products only? And you said your downline is making money too, so why is it a scam? The new compensation plan does encourage reps to have bigger team, but you can still focus on products only and reach the 6-digit figure income monthly that you were talking about. Again, what kind of scam will pay you 6-digits income even when you focus on products?

Ben You make some good points but I must offer opposing views on some of your points. Actually to get into and STAY in the SD, ESD or Ambassador pools your downline must continue to recruit in addition to meeting Customer Gross Revenues in your 7 level organization. Even if you have enough shares to be in the pool you will NOT be allowed to participate should your recruiting stay below the rules for Pool participation. Actually I'm no where near being anywhere near an ESD. I haven't been in excel more than couple of years. And yes Virgina I make 6 figures. Most RDs, and EDs make nothing. More than 75% of SDs make less than $20k/year and many ESDs can't even get into the Pool since they don't even have $50k of downline revenue in 7 levels. Very Telling! Cognigen is merely offered as a comparason. It's free and has exactly the same products and a higher payout. So who cares if other people own the lines. Excel was that way for most of it's history. So why would cognigen not make it? It seems to be not only offering a wider varety of produts but many are cheaper. And Yes I DO belong to Cognigen. Since I'm Not a City leader I'm not prohibited from joining Cognigen. I have customers using both Excel and Cognigen products. In addition I have agent agreements with T-1 Providers who work in the Sub $1,000 threshold that eMeritus won't Touch. I like eMeritus but I'm not leaving ANY money on the table. As the CEO of my own company I would Indeed rather have 3 people with 1000 customers each. While there is a certian amount of attrition the viral marketing aspect of Local alone works quite well. With each person you add to an organization your interactions increase exponentially. Hence you end up with neglected people with no guidance. Since Excel's MLM training is among the worst in the world it's little wonder I pick up so many reps. I teach them about how to build a team, pick key people and continue the process using the Kyosaki method. I use only Kyosaki to illustrate my method point. He is by far not the only person that I've learned from. I would ask why is my team retention 80% and Excel's less than 15%? First I screen. No slouches, dummies of crooks allowed. Second I train and personally create leaders by example. When they are making the money I told them they would in the timefram I told them then let them walk on their own and I mentor. Something 95% of excel reps DO NOT do. In the end Excel is only a tool to me. I use it where it suits me and where it doesn't I use the best priced product for my client. To answer to your point of what excel can do to get people to gather 20 customers. I think the old comp plan went a long way. Telling someone that they have to sign up at least 2 other people and have them go out and gather 10 customers each before they even break even is problematic at best. And as I've personally observed is what alienates people the most. Most people don't have a clue about how to run a business. If you spend time and teach them and make them successful they will succeed. If you don't teach them anything other than go get people and bring them to the meeting and we'll do the rest you'll end up broke with no friends. Many times your friends and family are the worst business partners. In the end what you reward your people is what you'll get. I'd much rather reward my people for customers so they will be with me for years rather than one time recruiting bonuses. This is the #1 reason reps washout and quit in excel. So to those out there thinking of joining excel realize that the Rah Rah meetings is not where it's at but rather with the quiet leaders on the sideline who actually show you how to build a viable business rather than a cheerleading squad.

Ok, I am not here to argue anything at all. But there are few facts to point out. 1. In Excel, Ambasador pool is where you get a percentage of the revenue of the whole Excel. You will be signing a contract with Excel so that you will get that for life, even when you don't do anything at all once you are in, as opposed to what Jack said. 2. Jack said he is making high income like most of the ESDs, that means he should be in Excel for about 7 or 8 years, and making at least high 5 or 6 digits income monthly, or even 7 digits. Then Jack should understand the fact I stated in #1. But he doesn't, that tells alot about him. 3. Excel had the same plan as today 8 years ago, Jack should understand that, and know that. In fact, that's probably when he joined if he REALLY is making as much as he said. So why he complains now? I don't know. Maybe he is not making as much he said? Maybe he just started? 4. Jack was talking about Cognigen. He said Cognigen is the way to go. Then people should take a look of Cognigen. Where are they now? Are they even any close to Excel? Excel is growing globally, Excel/Vartec owns their switches. Excel is licensed in sll 50 states in US. Excel is the largest local lines service company in US. Excel has more than 1 million customers worldwide. That tells alot about Excel. Excel's marketing strategy does work better. 5. For customers, I agree with Jack. We should take care of the customers. That's exactly what we do. I don't know which upline teaches Jack not to take care of customers, or did Jack just say that. I teach people to send customers a thank you card, or buy them a small gift. That's how we get long term customers. 6. For the bottom half of Jack's comment, I don't understand his point. 7. Jack said Excel provides you a way to make alot of money without recuiting a lot of people. That's true. So what's his problem about the compensation plan about recuiting people? I don't know. I mean, it shouldn't affecting him at all or even his downline, because he said he is doing product based only. 8. Here is my own opinion. If you are the CEO of Excel, do you want to 3 people to have 1000 customers each? or do you want to have 200 people to have 15 customers each? I would want 200 people to have 15 customers each. Why? #1. Normal people can't get 1000 cusotmers. #2. Even if they can, they can't keep 1000 customers loyal, but they can keep 15 to customer loyal by having a relationship with them or provide really good customer service. So what can Excel do to give incentives for people to find people who is able to get 15 to 20 customers? Through Networking Marketing, that's exactly what Excel is doing. That's exactly why Excel is the biggest local lines service provider in US.

Ok, I am not here to argue anything at all. But there are few facts to point out. 1. In Excel, Ambasador pool is where you get a percentage of the revenue of the whole Excel. You will be signing a contract with Excel so that you will get that for life, even when you don't do anything at all once you are in, as opposed to what Jack said. 2. Jack said he is making high income like most of the ESDs, that means he should be in Excel for about 7 or 8 years, and making at least high 5 or 6 digits income monthly, or even 7 digits. Then Jack should understand the fact I stated in #1. But he doesn't, that tells alot about him. 3. Excel had the same plan as today 8 years ago, Jack should understand that, and know that. In fact, that's probably when he joined if he REALLY is making as much as he said. So why he complains now? I don't know. Maybe he is not making as much he said? Maybe he just started? 4. Jack was talking about Cognigen. He said Cognigen is the way to go. Then people should take a look of Cognigen. Where are they now? Are they even any close to Excel? Excel is growing globally, Excel/Vartec owns their switches. Excel is licensed in sll 50 states in US. Excel is the largest local lines service company in US. Excel has more than 1 million customers worldwide. That tells alot about Excel. Excel's marketing strategy does work better. 5. For customers, I agree with Jack. We should take care of the customers. That's exactly what we do. I don't know which upline teaches Jack not to take care of customers, or did Jack just say that. I teach people to send customers a thank you card, or buy them a small gift. That's how we get long term customers. 6. For the bottom half of Jack's comment, I don't understand his point. 7. Jack said Excel provides you a way to make alot of money without recuiting a lot of people. That's true. So what's his problem about the compensation plan about recuiting people? I don't know. I mean, it shouldn't affecting him at all or even his downline, because he said he is doing product based only. 8. Here is my own opinion. If you are the CEO of Excel, do you want to 3 people to have 1000 customers each? or do you want to have 200 people to have 15 customers each? I would want 200 people to have 15 customers each. Why? #1. Normal people can't get 1000 cusotmers. #2. Even if they can, they can't keep 1000 customers loyal, but they can keep 15 to customer loyal by having a relationship with them or provide really good customer service. So what can Excel do to give incentives for people to find people who is able to get 15 to 20 customers? Through Networking Marketing, that's exactly what Excel is doing. That's exactly why Excel is the biggest local lines service provider in US.

Ok, I am not here to argue anything at all. But there are few facts to point out. 1. In Excel, Ambasador pool is where you get a percentage of the revenue of the whole Excel. You will be signing a contract with Excel so that you will get that for life, even when you don't do anything at all once you are in, as opposed to what Jack said. 2. Jack said he is making high income like most of the ESDs, that means he should be in Excel for about 7 or 8 years, and making at least high 5 or 6 digits income monthly, or even 7 digits. Then Jack should understand the fact I stated in #1. But he doesn't, that tells alot about him. 3. Excel had the same plan as today 8 years ago, Jack should understand that, and know that. In fact, that's probably when he joined if he REALLY is making as much as he said. So why he complains now? I don't know. Maybe he is not making as much he said? Maybe he just started? 4. Jack was talking about Cognigen. He said Cognigen is the way to go. Then people should take a look of Cognigen. Where are they now? Are they even any close to Excel? Excel is growing globally, Excel/Vartec owns their switches. Excel is licensed in sll 50 states in US. Excel is the largest local lines service company in US. Excel has more than 1 million customers worldwide. That tells alot about Excel. Excel's marketing strategy does work better. 5. For customers, I agree with Jack. We should take care of the customers. That's exactly what we do. I don't know which upline teaches Jack not to take care of customers, or did Jack just say that. I teach people to send customers a thank you card, or buy them a small gift. That's how we get long term customers. 6. For the bottom half of Jack's comment, I don't understand his point. 7. Jack said Excel provides you a way to make alot of money without recuiting a lot of people. That's true. So what's his problem about the compensation plan about recuiting people? I don't know. I mean, it shouldn't affecting him at all or even his downline, because he said he is doing product based only. 8. Here is my own opinion. If you are the CEO of Excel, do you want to 3 people to have 1000 customers each? or do you want to have 200 people to have 15 customers each? I would want 200 people to have 15 customers each. Why? #1. Normal people can't get 1000 cusotmers. #2. Even if they can, they can't keep 1000 customers loyal, but they can keep 15 to customer loyal by having a relationship with them or provide really good customer service. So what can Excel do to give incentives for people to find people who is able to get 15 to 20 customers? Through Networking Marketing, that's exactly what Excel is doing. That's exactly why Excel is the biggest local lines service provider in US.

Edgar, I'm quite happy with my position in Excel. My income rivals that of most sub-ambasador ESDs. It's a pitty that to get into the Ambasador Pool that you have to scam people to part with their $400 and have them sucker more people in just to get to and stay in the ambasador pool. Really Sick. It's kind of funny that a company that went to a $Billion was sold for $250 Mil? Most companies sell for 8 to 10 times revenue. Hmmmm is that to say that a $billion company only had $25 Mil in revenues when it was bought? Hmmmmmmm very interesting. Now Vartec on the other hand was COMPLETELY BUILT on Product! Somewhere down the road the people who don't push product will find themselves without an income. I have a very large team and each person makes money ONLY on Product. All of my reps qualify for 10% commission plus overrides to a minimum of 5 levels and a Max of 7 levels. But... they aren't MRs. They are all SAs. Something the leadership doesn't tell you. SAs get the same downline commissions as ANY Rep. Even with eMeritus! They just don't have to recruit but they push product. The downside is my organizations behaviour will allow your type of scam organization to last a while longer that is untill the management realizes who is a drain on the company and who is an asset. Now to your $399 business opportunity. What a pile of BALONEY! If you want to own and operate your own telecom business go with Cognigen. They offer all of the products that Excel & eMeritus offer but they require you to pay the whopping sum of $0 to join the organization. So your asertion about the $399 business opportunity with Excel is nothing more than part of the whole scam. And insofar as negativity let's start from the top. I've received more negative remarks from Ambasadors and City Leaders than I can shake a stick at. It basically goes along the line of an inquiry about a customer issue and who to I speak to about it. I've been told on numerous occaisions that I should never say anything negative meetings or let the leadership know that I'm having customer problems. Just go get another customer. Never mind this is a family member doing me a favor and the leadership doesn't give a crap! Building a residual income is about taking care of your customers and teaching others to do the same. It is NOT about screwing your customer to get a point out of them. It's about taking care of them so well they won't go anywhere else and promote you through Viral Marketing. No one cares about making their money back for recruting people. I basically tell my people that within 90 days you can have $1100+ coming into your home each month. It's commission only but does something like that intrest you? Using all of the tools of Excel, My upline, ambasador meetings and the whole schmeel I signed up a grand total of 1 rep. Using the Kyosaki method I've signed up scores! Getting paid to recruit is not business building. Finding and screening good people and treating them with respect and letting them be free is. Oh what fun I have finding former excel reps fed up with the Rah Rah crap and the first thing I teach them is the Kyosaki concepts on team building. They listen and I have a 80% call back rate and I sigh them up under either myself or my downline and they are respected and they work their heart out with little effort on my part because I take care of EVERYONE in my Downline. So you guys just keep belittling people and treating them like crap. When I find them a couple of years later after they've resigned I'll pick them up and put them in my downline. For that I thank you!

I am not yet an Excel representative, however, I've been doing some research into the copmpany and it seems very reliable to me. I spoke to a representative which gave me this explanation: Hi Edgar, I hope you received the email I sent you yesterday & that all is well with you. Sorry I did not get to this one sooner, but after being out of town for a week I've been playing catch up with me emails. So, let me address this email. First, I imagine that this email will be a bit long and for that I apologize but I'm going to touch on the issues brought up in this guy's email & then also attempt to be proactive in answering your questions that you may have. First of all I would say the individual who wrote this is upset, frustrated, disgruntled, who knows. I do not know him but I can tell you that he is probably not making money because he seems very bitter. If he were making money I can only assume he would not have written such things. But it is not fair for me to judge & I can only make assumptions by reading his words. It is true that as of July 1st Excel Comp plan is changing...BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS! When Excel was purchased by a Canadian company they changed the comp plan to what it is today because they were FOCUSED on gathering customers not on business building. Because of that the customer base did not grow as well as what the company wanted. They did not understand Excel or it's many leaders. When VarTec purchased Excel, Joe & Connie Mitchell understood the power of the people & they have done MANY wonderful things with the company and for its Independent Reps since they acquired Excel just over a year ago. The new comp plan (which is really the old comp plan) will help the company go where it wants to go. Let me explain. The first person in Excel to make 1.2 million per month was Paul Oberson. He also happens to be our upline. When he did it his coding was $25. Today that same coding is worth $325 so in today's terms that 1.2 mill would have been over $10 mill to him. Now, you don't understand what coding means but I share this with you so that you may appreciate the power of what our comp plan can give. Not only did they go back to the original comp plan but they increased the money that can be earned. Make sense? As far as this guys comments, This new compensation plan was recommended and put in place by people who have made their $100s of thousands and millions on recruiting ONLY and NOT Product. These people now want to perpetuate their "Dynasty" without a care to the dreams that they are stealing from people." This is untrue. This comp plan existed & did make LOTS of MILLIONAIRES. BUT the decision to put it back in place was to benefit the company & us working this business. Let me tell you about those that made it big when LONG DISTANCE was the only service available because this is what this guy is referring to. First of, I have personally met some of the leaders in the top positions of Excel. They worked extremely hard to get there. I've heard them tell their stories, I've seen their compassion & I can tell you that NO ONE in Excel reaches the top until they help enough people do the same! Sure you can make a lot of money in Excel. You can change your life & that of your family & friends. But it will NOT happen until you help enough people achieve their dreams. If you recall when we talked I told you I'm bringing 10 new people on board & identifying 5 leaders...reason...I'm looking for those the are MOTIVATED enough to make a difference in their own lives as well as help others do the same. Those people I will run with, put them in my back pocket & help them achieve their goals. Of course I cannot do that if they are not willing to run with me & so I look for those that have a huge desire to succeed, want to help others & remain focused, motivated & committed. From our conversation & your email I am assuming you will be one of my 5 leaders. As far as stealing dreams...NO ONE CAN STEAL YOUR DREAM! The only way someone can take your dreams is if YOU LET THEM! Obviously this guy did just that. He let one too many negative people get to him. The world is full of negative people, words, thoughts, opinions but the true leader, the winner never lets the negative interfere in his dreams. He perseveres & continues on his journey. I can tell you that I have seen many in Excel lend a helping hand to others both personally & professionally and the only reward they received was the knowledge that they were making a difference. The Excel IRHS (Independent Rep Home Site) is NOT MANDATORY. However, we all have it. We use it to support our business because it helps us show our prospects & customers the business/services/products. It allows us to sign up new team members & customers. We support our business. It is $21.99 per month. But what he failed to state is that it is commissionable. You receive a commission for supporting YOUR BUSINESS! He also did not tell you that the first 30 days are FREE! Nor did he tell you that you could get this site at a discount or for FREE by gathering Excel Internet customers. And lastly, he did not tell you that it counts as 2 customer points! You see Excel pays us very well to do 2 things. Gather a few loyal customers & teach others to do the same. During our lifetime with Excel we are required to gather 20 customer points which qualifies us for all bonuses & promotions. Each of our services counts as 1point except for the above. This helps you in gathering your customers. And the team trains you & helps you every step of the way. I'm not certain if you remember but I told you not to worry about speaking with potential customers or others about the business until you get trained. The reason is so that we can help you get your business off the ground & begin building a solid business. WE HELP you to become successful as long as you are willing to duplicate our efforts, are coachable & trainable. Where in America today can you find people in business that are so COMMITTED TO YOUR SUCCESS? I'm not sure what the attrition rate is in Excel. This guy mentioned 85%. I don't know. But I can tell you this: In the first quarter Excel grew 300%. We are the LARGEST LOCAL PHONE PROVIDER IN THE USA We are the ONLY American company that is expanding globally. AT&T announced last year that they are pulling out of the Canadian market because they could not compete. Excel gathered more customers in Canada than AT&T which shows we have staying power & know what we are doing! Excel grew from 432 to #4 as compared to AT&T, MCI & Sprint. All because this is a business about helping people & word of mouth about our services. Excel is not going down in flames as this disgruntled rep wishes. We are breaking records, people are taking a serious look at us, employees at our competitors are getting involved with Excel. Wall Street named VarTec the best company to go with for your communications needs. Excel grew FASTER THAN ANY other company in US history INCLUDING Microsoft, McDonald's, and IBM. Edgar, the truth here is that if we all look deep enough we can find negative about anyone or anything. There are people in this world that are never happy, like to complain & you know the age old adage, "misery loves company." This business is not for those who quit. It is for those that dare to dream about a better future, who want to change their lives & give back to others. The ONLY way you will fail in this business is if you never get started & if you quit. What does it take to be a leader? Look at the previous leaders of the world. Do you know that people laughed a Walt Disney and said he was only a dreamer? Look at what his dreams did! They came alive & created a huge fortune & put smiles on the faces of many families through the years. Sam Walton ~ he was told that his concept would never work & there has been negative press about Wal-Mart. Even so, today it is the biggest company in the world! People laughed at Bill Gates when he said that he would own the biggest computer company. People refused to believe in him & invest. Microsoft created 5,000 millionaires...I'm sure they were the ones who believed. Microsoft continues to be sued, has programming problems & yet remains to be a force to be reckoned with. Do you imagine Bill Gates let anyone steal his dream or listened to negative people? The list goes on. A leader is someone who lets nothing stop him from making his dream reality but is willing to help others see that they can also achieve their dreams. That's right to own & operate your own communications business it is going to cost you $399. That gives you the ability to partner with a communications giant. It gets you support from other Excel Team members. And for a few hundred dollars it gives you the opportunity to build a future that will simply astound you. Tell me where in America can you open & start your own business for less than several hundred dollars? Did you know McDonald's cost 1.4 million to start? That's just for the rights to the name. That doesn't include the building. How long before you begin to see a profit? With our business you invest in YOUR future & the return is 1000 times more than McDonald's can give you in 5 years. Remember, we are a licensed communications company. As business owners we must be licensed to do business. This investment covers that, your training & your kit. Your return...nothing if you don't work it. And more than you can imagine if you do. Lastly, I can tell you that I have personally met Joe & Connie Mitchell. There level of integrity is incredible. And I can tell you that they will NEVER do anything to hurt the company or those of us out here building the business. I've seen time & time again how they make sure they give us the best possible support. Before starting VarTec, Joe quit his job in corporate America because he did not believe in the things they were doing. He believed in honesty & possessed integrity & did not want to work for a company that would be any less in sharing his values. He then decided to start a company in which he could implement his level of integrity & today he & his wife are committed to our success. His goal is to make LOTS of people dream achievers! I'm proud to be an Excel/VarTec Rep & I will always be one. I cannot tell you how much it has changed my life & how I've been touched by many on my team. Hearing their stories & watching their lives change as been wonderful. Lisa & I have been very successful in our business & we are looking to help as many others as we can do the same. I believe in Excel, the services, the people & I'm very passionate about what I do. I'll be happy to talk with you about this over the phone should you have further questions. But let me tell you this. Excel was recently named the best home-based business company to go with. It has changed 1,000's of lives & I could share stories with you that would amaze you. You must be a people person & you must be compassionate to do this business. At the same time you must be strong enough to run from those who always complain & whine. Negative people can & will bring you down. You should know this first hand working in your career & seeing the troubled kids. Mentally its exhausting to watch all these kids with rotten attitudes. BUT we also possess the ability to change our thinking & feed ourselves positive thoughts! Edgar, the chances of hitting the lotto are 1 in 17 million. The chances of becoming a millionaire in Excel are 1 in 1000. Which odds do you like? And let me close this on positive notes...food for thought. In the middle of difficulty, lies Opportunity - Albert Einstein (He was told he was stupid. Turns out he was a genius) EXCEL PHILANTHROPY TEAM In the past three years the EPhTeam has contributed * $2.5 million and 200,000 hours to charities * Donated enough blood to save over 7,300 lives (does this sound like people who would "steal dreams?") "Your thoughts determine what you want, Your ACTIONS determine what you get!" With an explanation like this I was sold!!! So Jack if you are(or were) an Excel Rep then maybe you wasn't working very hard or expected something for nothing!!!!!!

As an Independent Representive for Excel for just about a year I knew that Excel was MLM before I signed up. At that time however as an independent rep you would get your entire funding back IF you solicited at least 20 customers. This supported the company and it's approximately 17% payout to the reps in addition to the one time recruiting bonuses that you would receive up the suponsorship line. Great no problem. Since product was being pushed and it was too much to be through internal consumption from most people. However Effective July 1st, 2003 Excel's new compensation plan rival's that of best pyramid scheme. People will only get their money back by recruting and getting each of those people to get 2 long distance or local customers and are REQUIRED to get the IR homesite and PAY $21.99 per month for that. This is completely Internal consumption. Scam, scam, scam. So you will now front $400, sign up 2 customer "points" then sign up with a MANDATORY $21.99 service and the company will pay you back a whopping $50. However your upline and everyone up the line it will trigger bonuses ranging from $125 to $475 up the Pyramid. In the end if you ever want to make money in excel you must recruit recruit and recruit. Excel has officially become a pyramid scam. This new compensation plan was recommended and put in place by people who have made their $100s of thousands and millions on recruiting ONLY and NOT Product. These people now want to perpetuate their "Dynasty" without a care to the dreams that they are stealing from people. These are the lowest of SCUM of the earth. As a result should someone file a class action lawsuit against excel I will be the first person to sign on the dotted line. Excel = Scam. If you have heard from someone wanting to get you into the business or you know of someone trying to get you to into the business realize that the current washout rate is in excess of 85% and it will only increase. Do your friends a favor talk them out of it and DON'T support them by buying or using ANY excel products. Stop the madness and lets all let Excel Die the horrible death that it deserves by destroying the dreams of people.

Now, I have been Excel for 4 months now. And I have been doing great with the business. Here are few facts you should know. 1. In order for Excel to get a customer, it has to go through Reps. So, if any slammings occur, then it's the Reps who did the slamming, not Excel. So I would like see where you see Excel got fine. 2. AT&T, MCI, and Sprint, Top 3 Communication Companies in US, they got fined for Slamming very often. Are they scam? This was an on going practice not just one case. 3. When Joe tells people to go look at the facts, Joe should look up the facts himself. He said Excel got fined for slamming without proofs, and without knowing that all other companies got fined very often. I wondered if Joe confused Excel with MCI, because MCI got fined last month for slamming.

You notice how all the positive comments are from NEW reps.It's good you have all that energy and plan on getting rich.Try getting rich the legal way! By WORKING!If excel is such a great company why did the FCC order the company to pay $400,000.00 US for the practice of SLAMMING!(Switching customers to EXCEL'S plan from there old plans with out them knowing)this was an on going practice not just one case. All you NEW reps need to get all the facts before you get caught up in the SCAM! SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM!

I am a new rep in excel. I joined Excel for about a month, I considered myself to be successful. I had over 30 reps in my downline and have 17 customers. But, of course, I am still learning. The problem I see here is that, we cannot control some bad quality people doing business with Excel Independent Rep title. Since Excel opportunities is open for every one. Some good, some bad, some greedy. We just cannot control them. But the business itself is excellent for good quality people. Because it works!! For example, a person who doesn't do work anyways, but want to make money, then he joins excel and still doesn't do work. Do you think he will make money? Another example, a person who is top sales in telemarketing, and he sees Excel. Do you think he can make money? For those of you who doesn't understand how the system supposed to work, please start think about it. If a rep gets people in his downline, but those people only can get a few customers, then that rep will not make alot of money. This system is about to get quality people rather than quantity. Not EVERYBODY join this company can make money. Especially lazy people. You get the idea? This system is not a quick-easy-get-rich program. But it's a great system that allow you to make alot of money if you do work, just like any other businesses. Does that solve some myths?

Their MLM business model delivers customers at 30% of the cost that AT&T, MCI, and Sprint. The other companies use expensive television ads and unwanted telemarketing calls. A new representative earns $548 with Excel by getting just 20 customer points (as few as 7 new customers for local service paid for on a credit card earn these points). Note, this reflects an improved plan since the original complaint was filed. If this same new rep found just 3 more reps who earned 10 customer points each, they would earn an additional $600. This plan provides for success to anyone who puts in the effort to succeed.

The truth of the matter is that Excel is MLM and the methods of "recruitment" focus on needy people needing income and on the greed of man. I have a good friend who is now involved in Excel and he has got his older children involved; and he wants me to sign up, with no knowledge of how this program works. All the reps emphasize how easy the program is, but how comfortable am I in selling this concept to someone else? Not very. Excel is borderline legal and I went on the Canadian Website and they have the "earning" for the Independent Reps for Canada and the US. http://www.excel.com/publicpages/pdf /canada/earningsummary090102_en.pdf 90% of the Independent Reps make less than $500.00 per YEAR. 9% make $500 to $2500 PER YEAR. The rest make the rest. Who is making all the money; where are the dividends - well they 're in the owners ( not the salesman's ) pockets. Employee's in Canada at their h*o - 12. Get the picture. Wake up and smell the coffee! If was so easy to make a zillion bucks doing this, wouldn't more people be doing it? Cheers.

I agree with Rob's report from Montana but it doesn't go far enough. Excel-Vartec is a legitimate business opportunity and you can make huge amounts of money in it selling ONLY Product. This is one thing that is completely ignored by many of the "Local Leaders".

They make 100s of thousands of $$$$ on what I call "Body Counts" alone. They mention in passing that you only need 20 customers ever to get 7th level commissions of 5%.

They also skip quickly over the fact that you can make up to 10% commissions on your personal customers. The only time you hear it it's in the presentation initially. After that the "Rah Rah" meetings are about NOTHING other than increasing the bodies. When Excel Corporate comes out to talk about a roll out what do they talk about? Product. When they leave it's back to bodies.

Does Excel Corporate condone this? Heck no. In fact Excel will can your position faster than you can say unethical if you are a body counter and the people that you sign up don't bring in the revenue through product sales. The reason that Excel corporate allows the Body Count mentality for most people is that in the end the leaders must get the people in their downline to gather at least 10 customer points for the leaders to get their bonuses. So in the end product flows.

Quite frankly these "Body Count" leaders sicken me and are individuals that suffer at the very least a lapse in ethics (for years at a time). I'm proud to be an Excel Independent Rep but I push Product. People say oh it's so hard. Well at least I sleep a night knowing I haven't taken the dreams of scores of individuals and toyed with them only to see those people be my ticket to the next promotion. By being a Regional Director I currently make all the money that I'll ever need and am quite frankly not interested in being promoted further. I'd rather push product so the company is still around and I can truly retire with a clean slate.

Sure people want to join up and I recruit them but I coach them how to be a product person and not a Body Counter. In the end MY People stay in and the other groups they become statistics with broken dreams for their work and a few $100 one time bucks in the pocket of their "upline".

In the end it's a percentage of the People not the company in this case that's bad.

I agree with Rob's report from Montana but it doesn't go far enough. Excel-Vartec is a legitimate business opportunity and you can make huge amounts of money in it selling ONLY Product. This is one thing that is completely ignored by many of the "Local Leaders".

They make 100s of thousands of $$$$ on what I call "Body Counts" alone. They mention in passing that you only need 20 customers ever to get 7th level commissions of 5%.

They also skip quickly over the fact that you can make up to 10% commissions on your personal customers. The only time you hear it it's in the presentation initially. After that the "Rah Rah" meetings are about NOTHING other than increasing the bodies. When Excel Corporate comes out to talk about a roll out what do they talk about? Product. When they leave it's back to bodies.

Does Excel Corporate condone this? Heck no. In fact Excel will can your position faster than you can say unethical if you are a body counter and the people that you sign up don't bring in the revenue through product sales. The reason that Excel corporate allows the Body Count mentality for most people is that in the end the leaders must get the people in their downline to gather at least 10 customer points for the leaders to get their bonuses. So in the end product flows.

Quite frankly these "Body Count" leaders sicken me and are individuals that suffer at the very least a lapse in ethics (for years at a time). I'm proud to be an Excel Independent Rep but I push Product. People say oh it's so hard. Well at least I sleep a night knowing I haven't taken the dreams of scores of individuals and toyed with them only to see those people be my ticket to the next promotion. By being a Regional Director I currently make all the money that I'll ever need and am quite frankly not interested in being promoted further. I'd rather push product so the company is still around and I can truly retire with a clean slate.

Sure people want to join up and I recruit them but I coach them how to be a product person and not a Body Counter. In the end MY People stay in and the other groups they become statistics with broken dreams for their work and a few $100 one time bucks in the pocket of their "upline".

In the end it's a percentage of the People not the company in this case that's bad.

I agree with Rob's report from Montana but it doesn't go far enough. Excel-Vartec is a legitimate business opportunity and you can make huge amounts of money in it selling ONLY Product. This is one thing that is completely ignored by many of the "Local Leaders".

They make 100s of thousands of $$$$ on what I call "Body Counts" alone. They mention in passing that you only need 20 customers ever to get 7th level commissions of 5%.

They also skip quickly over the fact that you can make up to 10% commissions on your personal customers. The only time you hear it it's in the presentation initially. After that the "Rah Rah" meetings are about NOTHING other than increasing the bodies. When Excel Corporate comes out to talk about a roll out what do they talk about? Product. When they leave it's back to bodies.

Does Excel Corporate condone this? Heck no. In fact Excel will can your position faster than you can say unethical if you are a body counter and the people that you sign up don't bring in the revenue through product sales. The reason that Excel corporate allows the Body Count mentality for most people is that in the end the leaders must get the people in their downline to gather at least 10 customer points for the leaders to get their bonuses. So in the end product flows.

Quite frankly these "Body Count" leaders sicken me and are individuals that suffer at the very least a lapse in ethics (for years at a time). I'm proud to be an Excel Independent Rep but I push Product. People say oh it's so hard. Well at least I sleep a night knowing I haven't taken the dreams of scores of individuals and toyed with them only to see those people be my ticket to the next promotion. By being a Regional Director I currently make all the money that I'll ever need and am quite frankly not interested in being promoted further. I'd rather push product so the company is still around and I can truly retire with a clean slate.

Sure people want to join up and I recruit them but I coach them how to be a product person and not a Body Counter. In the end MY People stay in and the other groups they become statistics with broken dreams for their work and a few $100 one time bucks in the pocket of their "upline".

In the end it's a percentage of the People not the company in this case that's bad.

I agree with Rob's report from Montana but it doesn't go far enough. Excel-Vartec is a legitimate business opportunity and you can make huge amounts of money in it selling ONLY Product. This is one thing that is completely ignored by many of the "Local Leaders".

They make 100s of thousands of $$$$ on what I call "Body Counts" alone. They mention in passing that you only need 20 customers ever to get 7th level commissions of 5%.

They also skip quickly over the fact that you can make up to 10% commissions on your personal customers. The only time you hear it it's in the presentation initially. After that the "Rah Rah" meetings are about NOTHING other than increasing the bodies. When Excel Corporate comes out to talk about a roll out what do they talk about? Product. When they leave it's back to bodies.

Does Excel Corporate condone this? Heck no. In fact Excel will can your position faster than you can say unethical if you are a body counter and the people that you sign up don't bring in the revenue through product sales. The reason that Excel corporate allows the Body Count mentality for most people is that in the end the leaders must get the people in their downline to gather at least 10 customer points for the leaders to get their bonuses. So in the end product flows.

Quite frankly these "Body Count" leaders sicken me and are individuals that suffer at the very least a lapse in ethics (for years at a time). I'm proud to be an Excel Independent Rep but I push Product. People say oh it's so hard. Well at least I sleep a night knowing I haven't taken the dreams of scores of individuals and toyed with them only to see those people be my ticket to the next promotion. By being a Regional Director I currently make all the money that I'll ever need and am quite frankly not interested in being promoted further. I'd rather push product so the company is still around and I can truly retire with a clean slate.

Sure people want to join up and I recruit them but I coach them how to be a product person and not a Body Counter. In the end MY People stay in and the other groups they become statistics with broken dreams for their work and a few $100 one time bucks in the pocket of their "upline".

In the end it's a percentage of the People not the company in this case that's bad.

I am an Excel rep. I was not solicited by any friend or family. I sought them out.Because Excel chooses to do business the way they do, it is not unethical. Excel corporate does not pay for advertising. They let their reps do it through their own "business." Even though one of the problems of MLM is recruiting, Excel knows that the customer is the provider of profit. You DO NOT have to recruit to make money in Excel. Anyone who owns a business will "stroke" the warm market first.

Also, there is a Wall Street Journal article out there that says VarTec (Excel being that long distance provider) is one of the best long distance companies with very good customer service. In fact, VarTec (Excel) and IDT were the only two long distance providers that were mentioned as "good" companies. If I remember right, this same article stated we were better than AT&T,Sprint, or MCI. When was the last time the "big three" gave YOU good customer service and a way to possibly profit from them? Instead of getting your phone service from some telemarketer, wouldn't you rather get it from someone you know? The friends and family I have as customers save money and are satisfied!

Frances,

Excel operates on a MLM basis, or a pyramid recruitment scheme. While a pyramid "shaped" scheme like an MLM isn't always illegal, I believe it is unethical.

Want to call Excel successful? All right, I'll buy that. Want to declare them legitimate? Define legitimate. Want to call the marketing style ethical? Now we will have a debate.

Pyramid recruitments are unethical because:

1. They encourage individuals to sell service or product to their "warm markets" or family members. If the product service were that great they wouldn't need an MLM to sell it. The promoters know that family members will want to support each other. But the only one they really support is the originator who's at the top of the pyramid.

2. More and more pyramids are breaking into churches, civic clubs and schools. People feel obligated to buy to maintain status and friendships. More often than not pyramids and MLMs strain relationships amongst friends rather than build them.

3. Even worse, these schemes have slimed into business environments. Here is where there is a serious ethics problem. A single MLM or pyramid scheme can destroy the morale of a corporation. What subordinate would turn down an invitation into a Vice President's down line? It's bad enough when you tell them you don't want to buy their kid's girls scout cookies.

I'm not even going to go into what separates a legal MLM from an illegal pyramid.

I hope this prevents someone somewhere from joining an MLM. Don't bother shilling me; I'm immune to moronic babble.

TFC

I REGRET THAT THIS PERSON HAS HAD A NEGATIVE RESPONSE TO EXCEL. THE COMPANY ITSELF IS LEGITIMATE, HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 1988 (GUESTIMATE), AND IS DOING WELL.

HOWEVER, IT HAS NOT BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT EXCEL IS A RIPOFF. I HAVE THEIR LOCAL SERVICE, AND ONE CELL PHONE, OF COURSE, WHICH IS NOT UNUSUAL, SINCE USING SOMEONE ELSE WOULD BE TAKING MONEY OUT OF MY OWN POCKET.

EXCEL IS SIMPLY A TELEPHONE BUSINESS WHICH WORKS ON A DIFFERENT PRINCIPLE THAN SAY, BELL. THEY "LICENSE" INDIVIDUALS TO MARKET THEIR PRODUCT.

APPARENTLY, ONE OR MORE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAVE NOT FIGURED OUT YET HOW TO MARKET THE EXCEL BUSINESS CORRECTLY OR WELL.

I HAVE COPIED THIS COMPLAINT AND WILL MAIL IT TO THE EXCEL HEADQUARTERS, AND ASK THAT THE COMPLAINANT DO THE SAME.

DEMAND AN ANSWER FROM THE HEADQUARTERS, PLEASE! EXCEL IS IN THE TELEPHONE BOOK, SO SAYING THEY COULD NOT BE REACHED DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE, DOES IT?

IN ANY CASE,HERE IS A NUMBER TO CALL: 1-877-392-3548. YOU MAY FEEL FREE TO REFER TO ME AS HAVING GIVEN YOU THEIR NUMBER TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER, NOT THAT I AM IN ANY WAY THEIR SPOKESPERSON, JUST ANOTHER REP.

FEEL FREE TO CALL ME AS WELL AT MY OFFICE 713-981-1516, OR FAX ME AT 713-981-1848.THANK YOU. FM CAMPBELL