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Complaint Review: ITT Technical Institute - Canton Michigan
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1905 S. Haggerty Rd. Canton, 48188 Michigan, U.S.A.
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ITT Technical Institute High pressure recruiting, I told them no twice, claim of 95% placement rate passed me in classes I should have failed. Canton Michigan
About 2.5 years back I surfed through the schools web site and checked a box for more information about the school. Several months later Joe Harris from the school called and I accepted an invitation to visit the school. After the visit I said I would think it over, I was told some of the schools had up to a 95% placement rate and was painted a rosy picture, I was about to turn 50 and was frustrated with trucking and thought it would be nice if I could do it but realistically did not think it was for me and did not call back.
The next day Mr. Harris called me and put on the sales pitch again and I politely declined. Two days after that he called again and asked if I had given it more thought and touted the opportunities the program would offer, once more I declined. But I guess I let him get into my head and unfortunately the next day gathered my G.E.D. and went up to the school and enrolled, MY FAULT.
Early into the term I found the Problem Solving (math) class to be a bit overwhelming and expressed my concerns to the admininistrator and wanted to politely bow out of the program, but was encouraged to stay and think about what I was going to do with my degree when I finished, so I stayed. The math only got tougher for me and only with the help of another student who essentially let me copy homework I slogged along although my exam results proved I was not learning the work, but somehow ended up with a C in the class.
The following term I had College Math 1 which was even tougher for me and again through copying homework I struggled through the class and scored a D which I did not merit. Now to College Math 2, which I was abyssmal with and the teacher justifiably failed me, to which a conference was arranged with the dean and instructor who was persuaded to let me retake a quiz in the library. I went to the library the following week to take the test but it was not left with the librarian and I was promoted anyway.
By now I was feeling lost in all of this and was having trouble with other classes and remember having a problem with one of the Lab procedures in my Active Directory class and went to the instructor to request assistance and was told to "figure it out" the same instructor that blew through final lab exams without even taking them, everyone was getting A's. Now I am finishing my seventh quarter and am just burned out on all of this. I took an IQ test awhile back and scored 120, which surprised me so I really do not understand my difficulty with learning.
Earlier during the program I went through a mild nervous breakdown and was seeing a therapist for awhile, I did leave school quite early as a kid, and do not have much discipline for academic work. I am sure if I only had one math class to learn I could probably get it. Now I view my situation as a bit depressing because I am incurring all of this debt and do not feel I am adequate for employment in the computer networking field. I feel the school is partially culpable in two areas, first for not ceding to my first decline for enrollment, when I said no the first time my decision should have been respected instead of turning up the pressure, the second is for promoting me without merit.
It is clear that the school is only interested in advancing it's own profits and cares less about the quality of it's graduates, but if the student is not placed why should it make any difference to them, they can encourage anyone to stay. Incidentally I believe the placement statistics were probably misrepresented.
Tom
Belleville, Michigan
U.S.A.
The next day Mr. Harris called me and put on the sales pitch again and I politely declined. Two days after that he called again and asked if I had given it more thought and touted the opportunities the program would offer, once more I declined. But I guess I let him get into my head and unfortunately the next day gathered my G.E.D. and went up to the school and enrolled, MY FAULT.
Early into the term I found the Problem Solving (math) class to be a bit overwhelming and expressed my concerns to the admininistrator and wanted to politely bow out of the program, but was encouraged to stay and think about what I was going to do with my degree when I finished, so I stayed. The math only got tougher for me and only with the help of another student who essentially let me copy homework I slogged along although my exam results proved I was not learning the work, but somehow ended up with a C in the class.
The following term I had College Math 1 which was even tougher for me and again through copying homework I struggled through the class and scored a D which I did not merit. Now to College Math 2, which I was abyssmal with and the teacher justifiably failed me, to which a conference was arranged with the dean and instructor who was persuaded to let me retake a quiz in the library. I went to the library the following week to take the test but it was not left with the librarian and I was promoted anyway.
By now I was feeling lost in all of this and was having trouble with other classes and remember having a problem with one of the Lab procedures in my Active Directory class and went to the instructor to request assistance and was told to "figure it out" the same instructor that blew through final lab exams without even taking them, everyone was getting A's. Now I am finishing my seventh quarter and am just burned out on all of this. I took an IQ test awhile back and scored 120, which surprised me so I really do not understand my difficulty with learning.
Earlier during the program I went through a mild nervous breakdown and was seeing a therapist for awhile, I did leave school quite early as a kid, and do not have much discipline for academic work. I am sure if I only had one math class to learn I could probably get it. Now I view my situation as a bit depressing because I am incurring all of this debt and do not feel I am adequate for employment in the computer networking field. I feel the school is partially culpable in two areas, first for not ceding to my first decline for enrollment, when I said no the first time my decision should have been respected instead of turning up the pressure, the second is for promoting me without merit.
It is clear that the school is only interested in advancing it's own profits and cares less about the quality of it's graduates, but if the student is not placed why should it make any difference to them, they can encourage anyone to stay. Incidentally I believe the placement statistics were probably misrepresented.
Tom
Belleville, Michigan
U.S.A.
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dubbsizzle
United States of AmericaPut in some effort dummy
#2Consumer Comment
Thu, March 25, 2010
I just have one thing to say. You get out of school what you put into it. And that goes for any school. The teachers have only 11 weeks to teach you a certain topic. And the pace is pretty much set by ITT TECH and they can only make minor changes. If you needed help all you have to do is ask your teacher. I have not met one yet that won't spend time to help students. Partner up with a class mate and study and learn what is being taught. Use the school library and resources not to mention your book.
I see so many students show up late, don't show up, sit and draw, play on their laptops or just converse with friends during class. They all struggle with their grades and lord help them find a job in their field of study. When they graduate with low scores and having to retake some classes they won't be the first ones that get chosen.
I have talked to students that failed courses and they often admit that they just did not take time to do their assignments. And you have a whole week or even longer at times.
Life takes effort. Nothing is handed to you on a silver platter. Just cause you got excepted into school does not guarantee anything. You have to work at it.
dubbsizzle out.
Ron
Melvindale,Michigan,
U.S.A.
Grow up Tom and pull on your big boy pants
#3UPDATE Employee
Sun, February 08, 2009
I noticed someone else responded basically supporting you to the point of saying it's obvious you did everything you could. Hmmmmm let's review. Let's start with the recruiter. You said no the first time and caved the second and that's the school's fault. You aren't man enough to simply say no. Did he pull a gun, wrestle you to the ground and make you sign? If you are that weak you must succumb to every telemarketers pitch. What would happen when you step into a car dealership. The way you blame others for their aggressive sales tactics I'm sure you had to leave with the most expensive car on the lot. How sad. Next, you say you started cheating and you have the audacity to blame the school for that. Yes you certainly did almost everything you could do, except for maybe doing the homework and not copy off someone else, working harder or getting a tutor. You state you lack discipline. No kidding genius. As far as stating you think you could have handled math 1 but not math 2. How would you know? The first time it started to get hard you immediately went to cheating and copying real student's homework. For the record, algebra DOES play a role in CNS. Let me make things simple for you. Even if you could, which is laughable, at some point it would get hard and you lack the character to simply do the homework and buckle down and work harder, like most of us do. You also stated you have a 120 I.Q. and you can't understand why learning was so hard for you. Since you are clearly incapable of being honest with yourself, let me help you. Re-read the 2 paragraphs above and your answer is crystal clear. As for lacking discipline, hmmmm, yes, that certainly is the school's fault. DUH! Now let's lok at the library test. Didn't take it and promoted anyway. Here's a thought. Show some character, maturity and committment to your education and insist on actually taking the exam and accepting the grade you earned. The school dropping the ball does not give a a man with integrity a reason to accept it. Time for promoting without merit. Are you really so blind and incapable of accepting responsibility that you actually don't see the obvious. Had you worked harder and actually did your own work, you wouldn't have needed to be promoted without merit. You cheated and copied off others and have the gall to, after the fact, to comlain about it. If cheating and copying and getting away with it makes you this angry, I'm almost afraid to imagine what you would be writing if you were failed and not promoted. Then finally after all your whining, complaining and blaming others for your shortcomings and accepted "partial" responsibility. That's real big of you. I'm sure the people you copied from and cheated learned and are working in the field. Being in HR for 25 years I knew nothing of computers before I went to ITT. I did my own work, got tutoring when I struggled and I got a CNS degree from Canton. I'm currently working as a Network Administrator, making a very nice living doing work I love. I stay in touch with many members of the Dec 08 graduating class. Based on emails and phone calls, at least 8 of the 11 I know are working in the field. And last but not least........you state you're not adequate for employment. Well, thank god you at least got that. No kidding, you think. I have news for you Tom, even if you did learn networking skills you would still be unprepared for for employment. You lack practically every soft skill necessary to be a positive, productive member of any company's computer department. My god you are a whiny, bitter, sad man. I'm sure it never occurred to you to look hard at yourself and accept personal responsibility. As a former Human Resource Director for 25 years I can tell you that your pathetic unwillingness to be a man comes across loud and clear to the interviewers. Why would anyone want to hire a bitter, loser looking for someone else to blame for their laziness and incompetency. Do yourself a big favor. Grow up, accept responsibility, and start your search for a better job with a clean slate and an attitude that YOU and only YOU are responsible for your successes and failure. The true measure of character isn't about what you do or say when things are going well, but how you handle yourself when things get tough. I wish you the best of luck in your job search. I'm fairly certain you're going to need it. Ron Anthony
Imagae
St Clair Shores,Michigan,
U.S.A.
Oh Tom!
#4Consumer Comment
Wed, February 13, 2008
God, please don't think this is you. I just filed a report about the ITT Tech Troy campus. These people are just flat out scam artists. Based on your written report, it is obvious that you did your very best. The classes are disorganized and the instructors do not TEACH! Learning in that environment is next to impossible. It is not meant to be a learning environment at all, we are simply bodies in a mock classroom that generate a profit for the powers that be...
