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5861 Lakeshore Road, Kelowna, BC, V1W 4J5, Canada Kelowna, V1W 4J5 British Columbia, United States of America
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Munira Murrey, owner MISSION HILL PERSIANS, Kelowna, BC, Canada ~~ !! WARNING !! TO ALL BREEDERS AND CAT LOVERS (BEWARE of Persian Breeder -- she sells sick and diseased kittens for exorbitant $$ and does not provide registration/pedigree papers after neutering an Kelowna, British Columbia
*Consumer Comment: Have dealt with Munira Murrey
*Author of original report: Do not believe anything written by Munira Murrey against Jenny Forst
*Author of original report: Complaints about Missionhill Persians Cattery and lies about Jenny Forst
*Author of original report: THE TRUTH: Munira Murrey is A LIAR - read about it here
*General Comment: Everyone knows Jenny Forst is a narcissist, thief and habitual liar
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May 25, 2012 W A R N I N G !!
(Revised Edition)
To all breeders and cat lovers -- BEWARE of breeder Munira Murrey of Mission Hill Persians, Kelowna, BC, Canada
It was brought to my attention recently that Munira Murrey, Breeder, Mission Hill Persians, Kelowna, recently posted a fabricated story of the events that occurred after I purchased two persian kittens from her on September 26, 2011.
MUNIRA MURREY OF MISSION HILL PERSIANS IN KELOWNA:
She agreed to sell me 2 persian kittens, one female silver chinchilla persian and one silver male himalyan persian. I made arrangements to pick them up in Kelowna, but when I got to her home on Lakeshore, she informed me that she had already sold the gray male to a woman in Edmonton and was shipping him to Edmonton in the next couple of days. As if that wasn't bad enough, she then told me she decided to keep the white persian to breed her. She seemed to be all over the globe and waffling about her decision and after a couple of hours, she changed her mind again. She said she would sell me the white persian for $1500 (a higher amount than was originally agreed). She talked us into taking an exotic male instead of the silver male she originally agreed to sell to me for $800. I reminded her she had already quoted me $700 for the silver male persian.
Munira Murrey put the kittens in the carrier and locked it. No one else handled the carrier and the only time I opened the carrier was when we got it home. As luck would have it, one of her other kittens that she has now posted in the article on her website - Treasure Trove - and who has water on the brain and also very sick, must have slipped into the kennel and hid in the back in the corner behind the other two kittens, so no one knew he was there ("escape artist"). To my recollection, Munira Murrey's husband (Harold) was the only other person who handled the carrier. He carried the carrier down their steep driveway and put in my vehicle. He then stood outside my vehicle with my sister where they talked for approx. 30 minutes while I went in the house to pick up the contracts from Ms. Murrey.
When we got the kittens home, we actually didn't notice the little escape artist right away. We left the kennel in the ensuite bathroom with the kennel door open so they could come out on their own when no one was around and they could familiarize themselves with their new surroundings. At some point, the escape artist found somewhere else to hide, so we didn't notice him right away. He actually didn't surface until he was hungry and came looking for something to eat (he was very good at hiding in the most obscure places).
That evening, Ms. Murrey called to say she was sure the kitten had found its way into our kennel while she was putting the other two in it. She went on to say this was the sick kitten she had told us about earlier at the house who had a disease called water on the brain. She said this has happened from time to time in the past where some of her other kittens snuck into kennels with the kittens that were being picked up by the new owners.
At first I had no idea what she was talking about and it was some time later that I discovered he had been hiding out in the bathroom in a heater vent and had come out after dark looking for food.
She called again and told me that same kitten (the escape artist) was worth $5000 and yet she planned to sell him, knowing full well he may not live very long.
In spite of how angry this made me, I agreed to return him to her. I felt this was a another perfect opportunity for her to honor her original agreement to sell me the silver male himalayan persian she originally promised me, but had sold to the woman in Edmonton. She has had many opportunities to do the right thing, and still chose not to.
While we were playing with the other two kittens, the short-haired male exotic kitten she sold to me instead of the one she originally promised me, bit my sister when one of the dogs walked into the room. We had to rush her to a Clinic to get a tetnus shot. We then returned the short haired exotic to Ms. Murrey the same day because my sister did not want it. We agreed to meet outside the Buckerfields store in Kelowna. At this point, I asked her for a refund, but she refused and drove off to Vancouver with her husband to deliver another persian to someone else, leaving me standing there after she took back the exotic short-haired kitten, but refused to refund the $700 I paid for him. I then asked to have the kitten back, but she refused to return him to me.
Very upset that I had just paid $2200 for one pet kitten worth no more than $700, I then went to my bank and was successful in stopping payment on the cheque. I had the opportunity to explain the situation to the bank manager and warned them this could get ugly if she should show up at the bank. Moments later as I was leavng, she walked in the door of my home branch in Kelowna, grabbed me by the arm and pushed me towards the counter where the tellers were. In a loud voice she threatened me saying I could not leave until my $2200 cheque clearned (this was for payment of one female persian because she had the other second exotic kitten that she would not give back to me).
She obviously felt I had good reason to stop payment of the cheque in the first place to show up at my branch and make a scene as she did.
Because I'm a reasonable person, I agreed to cancel the stop payment and she was able to cash my cheque for $2200. I was trusting her to do the honorable thing and give me the second kitten she originally promised me and which I paid $700 for (the silver male persian she still had but also promised to the woman in Edmonton).
Contrary to what she wrote in the Mission Hill Persians website, I at no time asked for reward money as I was not aware of any reward being offered for the lost kitten. If I wanted reward money for finding and returning the lost kitten, why would I give her $2200 when she still owed me $700? Makes no sense.
I was legally entitled to a refund when I returned the exotic. When I realized she would not provide me with any type of guarantee that she was going to replace the exotic, I felt I had no choice but to put that stop payment on my $2200 cheque. I asked the bank to let the cheque go through because she was threatening me with all manner of things and using her son, who she said is a lawyer, to scare me into submission. In the end, I basically ended up with only one kitten, but paid her for two.
After much discussion, on the day I was leaving Kelowna, she finally agreed to contact Lisa Reece, the woman in Edmonton, to explain she had originally promised the male silver himalyan to me. Fortunately, she had not shipped him to Edmonton yet. Any other honorable breeder would have just sold me the kitten they originally promised me in the first place, instead of misleading me and sending me on a wild goose chase. To date, she has demonstrated nothing but how ungrateful and unappreciative she is to us for finding and returning the lost kitten to her.
Several witnesses and myself met in the parking lot of Tim Hortons to exchange kittens. As a precaution, I contacted the Kelowna RCMP to alert them of the meeting and they agreed to stand by in case there was an altercation.
As I anticipated, Ms. Murrey was still dishonest to the bitter end and tried to reneg on the promise to deliver the silver male persian. She had also cashed the cheque, so had the full amount of $2200 now. As there were several witnesses present at the time, she changed her mind yet again, but eventually agreed to honor her original agreement (for the umpteenth time) and finally handed over the silver male persian. After making sure he was safely out of her view so she couldn't grab him and take him back as she had tried a couple of times already, we went back to her car in the parking lot to sign the contracts. It was the most unpleasant situation and we couldn't wait to get away from her.
Both contracts state Munira Murrey would send me the registration papers once the kittens were spayed and neutered. The female persian's contract reads as follows:
"The kitten must be spayed by the age of 6 months latest. She must not be used for breeding ... Registration papers and/or pedigree will be provided once the kitten has been spayed and a veterinary certificate of altering is provided."
On October 20, 2011 (exactly 6 months old to the day), I had the white female spayed in accordance with the contract, but Ms. Murrey refused to send me the registration papers. I have sent her 5 emails reminding her to send me the papers and have given her the Certificate of Spay 4 times, but she has refused to provide me with the papers, even though the $1500 I paid was to include registration papers. Below is the date and time of my most recent email to her:
From: J
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 12:08 AM
To: 'Munira Murrey, Missionhill Persians & Exotics, Kelowna ([email protected])'
Subject: 5TH REMINDER for Registration/Pedigree Papers for female persian (**aka Jubilee)
Importance: High
In fact, she contacted the Vet Clinic to tell them the Certificate of Spay was not accurate because it did not show the name she had given the cat 'Jubilee'. Instead, the Certificate showed the name I chose for her. The fact the species, age, breed and color are all identical to what is in the contract was irrelevant to Ms. Murrey. Furthermore, the name 'Jubilee' does not appear anywhere on the contract she drew up. She knows the cat I have is the same cat she sold me and yet she is playing these ridiculous games.
She told me several stories over the course of those 3 days, including how her son is a lawyer, how sick her husband is, how their home burned down during the fire storm, how a woman who had bought a kitten from her, but was forced to return it because Munira told the vet it has some horrible disease. These were all red flags that should have alerted me to the fact she is a very troubled woman and I should have just left without buying any kittens.
Her unstableness became apparent when on October 5, 2011, I received an email from her demanding I return the kitten I purchased from her in September, saying he was not legally mine and that she was not going to give me registration papers for either of the kittens I purchased from her, and I quote "You can return my silver kitten back to me in as good condition as when you received him and once he is veterinary checked as being healthy you will get a refund of $700. - Munira Murrey"
In email dated October 5, 2011 from Munira Murrey, she states, and I quote "I can type up a pedigree for my chinchilla girl and will send it to you once she is spayed and I get a veterinarian's certificate to this effect. You will not be getting the registration papers for her. I did you a favour of letting you purchase this kitten that was NOT FOR SALE at $1,000 less than she would be valued at if I sold her to a show/breeder home. - Munira Murrey
To date, she has not acknowledged a single email from me and has not sent me the registration/pedigree papers for the spayed female as promised in the contract she signed on September 26, 2011.
Now things get even more bizarre ~~~
I do not believe it is a coincidence that both Persians she sold me were both very sick, as the "lost" Persian that snuck into the kennel with mine was also very sick with a different type of disease (water on the brain).
Both cats she sold me are sick to this day. The white persian contracted a highly contagious herpes viral infection while in her care and apparently it's common amongst catteries where there are several cats (she had approx. 25-30). She has a corneal ulcer which will cost $1600 to operate and there is no guarantee the ulcer will not come back. She may lose her vision in the infected eye completely, and worse, the infection could transfer to the other eye as well, leaving both eyes infected and this incurable virus could leave her completely blind. To date since September, 2011, I have spent over $2500 in vet care and vets anticipate this will be an ongoing problem for the life of the kitten, who just turned one year old on April 21, 2012.
The male persian (1 year old in July/12) has his own list of health issues. He has a condition known as reverse sneezing and may also have a corneal ulcer from having been around Ms. Murrey's cats for the first 5 months before I got him.
The contract Ms. Murrey drew up and signed states the following:
"Seller guarantees that the cat described above is in good health at the time of purchase. If examination by a licensed veterinarian within 72 hours of possession reveals otherwise, seller will replace the cat with one of equal quality. If the cat dies within the first two years of a genetic health defect, seller will replace the cat for one of equal quality upon availability basis upon receipt of a detailed necropsy report by a Veterinarian outlining the alleged health defect ..."
Posted are two pictures of the female persian's infected left eye. As you can see, the Corneal Ulcer is very large to the point she cannot keep her eye completely open in the second picture.
Below is an excerpt of what a vet specializing in cats wrote concerning the Corneal Ulcer:
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From: Dr *
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 7:45 PM
To: J...
Subject: RE: D
Hi J...,I'm not sure quite where to start, but I will try to answer questions one by one and just let me know if I've missed anything.
Re: staining both eyes. Checking a fluorescein dye test on both eyes (and thus also on both nasolacrimal ducts) is standard procedure during an opthalmic exam. Although D's corneal scarring and ulceration is visible to the naked eye, that is not always the case. Dye tests can show us corneal swelling and pinpoint ulcers and early ucers that are not otherwise visible. So it is best to do a complete opthalmic exam rather than half. The good news was that D's right eye looked great. However, both nasolacrimal ducts are not patent.
Re: treating both eyes. As we've discussed, the feline herpes virus is one of the most common causes of corneal ulcers and eye infections in cats. We are currently doing some presumptive treatment for FHV by treating her with an anti-viral opthalmic suspension and oral lysine. (She has 'geographical ulcer' which is quite common with FHV.) Sometimes eye infections can transfer to the (previously) non-affected eye, so sometimes we recommend treating both eyes even if only one is currently an issue.
Re: referral to opthalmologist. The sooner a specialist is involved in the management of any medical problem, the better. In D's case, given the large surface area of her corneal ulcer, I believe she should be referred as quickly as possible (and I believe she was on the 12th). However, I would absolutely advise against skipping the treatments I have prescribed to D. The opthalmologist may change doses and add on other treatments, but please continue to administer her idoxuridine, Fucithalmic, and lysine as prescribed.
Re: itchy ear. D did not have contact with any other cat while she was in the clinic, and every kennel and surface is sterilized prior to a patient coming into contact with those surfaces. I suspect that she may either be scratching/pawing at her left eye, or she may have some mild ear inflammation which is causing her to itch - this could be caused by allergies (food, environmental), infection, or simply excessive wax production. Ear mites can also cause itchy ears of course, but I don't see any note in her file about suspecting mites. That said, I have seen Persians come infested with ear mites from their breeders, so it's not impossible that she could have a mild mite infection. She just would not have been able to pick it up at the clinic. Regarding transmission of infections to your other Persian though, FHV is easily transmitted to other cats. Presuming your other kitty is up to date on vaccines and has a good immune system, she ought to be able to deal with the virus without suffering a clinical infection.
As for D's diagnoses - she does not have many definitive diagnoses, although she does have multiple problems:
1) Large geographical corneal ulcer, left eye, with secondary bacterial infection.
Treated with: tobramycin opthalmic drops (discontinued use), Fucithalmic gel, Idoxuridine opthalmic drops, and lysine
2) FLUTD - feline lower urinary tract diseaseTreated with: attempting to transition to a canned diet
3) Constipation Treated with: Microlax Enema
4) Weight loss (3.72 kg to 3.59 kg) Treated with: supportive overnight care (as below)
5) FUO - fever of unknown origin Treated with: subcutaneous (SQ) fluids, 500 mcg Vitamin B12 SQ injection, temperature monitoring in clinic
6) Obstructed/stenotic nasolacrimal ducts
Treatment: none - likely secondary to infection or simply breed-related problem
Recommendation for further treatments/tests (ideally):
- (opthalmologist referral - done)
- viral testing
- repeat dye tests
- feline blood screen
- repeat urinalysis
- urine culture and sensitivity
- pain control for urinary discomfort
I hope this helps. How is Miss D doing at home currently? If you can update the girls on Sunday, that would be great. :)
Dr *
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Below is an excerpt of what a specialist (opthalmologist) wrote concerning the Corneal Ulcer:
From: Dr *
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:09 AM
To: J
Subject: D
Hi J,
We spoke on the phone last night, but I'll just write a brief summary here of what we know is happening with your girl and a bit about what we discussed. Since I haven't actually seen her myself, I will also leave the file for Dr. *'s review for when she in back in the clinic after the Easter weekend.
D has a large corneal ulcer on her left eye which is in the process of healing. Corneal ulcers are most commonly caused in cats by the Feline Herpes Virus (FHV), although there are other infectious diseases that can cause ulcers as well. Persian & Himalayan kitties can also develop corneal ulcers without the presence of infectious agents because of their 'brachycephalic' (smush-faced) anatomy which results in their eyes protruding abnormally from their sockets. The protrusion means that the tear film may not be swept across the entire surface of the cornea fully while blinking, and this can result in corneal ulceration due to dryness.
The ointment that D has been prescribed will act as both a lubricant for her eye as well as an antibiotic to prevent secondary infections from setting in (and preventing the ulcer from healing). There are further tests that can be done to determine the underlying cause of D's ulcer, and if you wish to have these performed we can do so. There is always the option to refer her to an opthalmologist for assessment as well. I am attaching a link here to an article about corneal ulcers in cats:
http://www.petplace.com/cats/corneal-ulceration-in-cats/page1.aspx
D also has blood in her urine and was experiencing painful urination. Her urine test revealed highly concentrated urine and a lot of blood; there were no bacteria, crystals, or inflammatory cells seen. However, a urinary tract infection cannot be ruled out entirely without doing a urine culture, and we cannot rule out urinary stones definitively without doing an ultrasound. I suspect that D may have "Feline Idiopathic Cystitis," but we cannot say that with certainty unless we rule out other possibilities with more tests. One of the best ways to 'treat' any of the possible causes (and prevent recurrence) is to feed her a wet diet so that she produces more dilute urine. However, I understand your little girl (along with your other Persian kitty) is a finicky lady and prefers her kibble. Given that she seems to be urinating more easily now, it sounds like the issue may be resolving ... that said, it would be a very good idea to repeat a urine test in several weeks to ensure that there is not still blood present in her urine (it is not always visible to the naked eye). I'm attaching a link to a couple of great articles here about cat urinary troubles:
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=633
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=612
I hope she's doing well, and we'll be in touch soon to get an update! :)
Dr *, DVM
* Vet Clinic
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U P D A T E:
I received an email on May 26, 2012 from CFA Cattery Reviews advising this breeder has some very serious complaints against this woman, Munira Murrey, owner of Mission Hill Persians in Kelowna.Please go to this page and scroll 7/8 down and look for Mission Hill Persians. Then all the way over on the right hand side you will see 1, 2, 3 complaints. Click on that:
http://ca-catbreeders.info/location-canada.html
Hopefully, this clears up any misunderstanding after reading Munira Murrey's fabricated story about us on her website.
I am proud to say I had the pleasure of having 2 beautiful Persians in my life over the years, both of which were extremely healthy and beautiful and lived long and happy contented lives. Jacqui lived to be 21; Krystl lived to be 16.5 and we had to say goodbye to her on March 4, 2011.
It is my prayer these two one-year old Persians I have now will lead long and healthy lives, but only God knows what's in store for them at this time.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and any comments or suggestions would be sincerely appreciated.
Please read my Blog: http://jennydodi.wordpress.com/2012/05/26/munira-murrey-of-mission-hill-persians-kelowna/
Jenny, Vancouver, BC, Canada
(Revised Edition)
To all breeders and cat lovers -- BEWARE of breeder Munira Murrey of Mission Hill Persians, Kelowna, BC, Canada
It was brought to my attention recently that Munira Murrey, Breeder, Mission Hill Persians, Kelowna, recently posted a fabricated story of the events that occurred after I purchased two persian kittens from her on September 26, 2011.
MUNIRA MURREY OF MISSION HILL PERSIANS IN KELOWNA:
- SELLS SICK CATS FOR EXORBITANT AMOUNTS OF MONEY;
- CONTRACTS CONTAIN INACCURATE AND FALSE INFORMATION
- CONTRACTS DO NOT MENTION HEALTH ISSUES, ie CORNEAL ULCERS, HERPES VIRAL INFECTIONS, URINARY TRACK INFECTIONS, REVERSE SNEEZING, ETC., ETC., ETC.;
- DOES NOT HONOR BINDING CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS IN CONTRACTS SIGNED BY MUNIRA MURREY, IE PROVIDING REGISTRATION/PEDIGREE PAPERS AFTER SPAYING/NEUTERING;
- POSTS MISLEADING INFORMATION ON WEBSITE AND THE INTERNET;
- POSTS FALSE INFORMATION ON WEBSITES AND THE INTERNET.
She agreed to sell me 2 persian kittens, one female silver chinchilla persian and one silver male himalyan persian. I made arrangements to pick them up in Kelowna, but when I got to her home on Lakeshore, she informed me that she had already sold the gray male to a woman in Edmonton and was shipping him to Edmonton in the next couple of days. As if that wasn't bad enough, she then told me she decided to keep the white persian to breed her. She seemed to be all over the globe and waffling about her decision and after a couple of hours, she changed her mind again. She said she would sell me the white persian for $1500 (a higher amount than was originally agreed). She talked us into taking an exotic male instead of the silver male she originally agreed to sell to me for $800. I reminded her she had already quoted me $700 for the silver male persian.
Munira Murrey put the kittens in the carrier and locked it. No one else handled the carrier and the only time I opened the carrier was when we got it home. As luck would have it, one of her other kittens that she has now posted in the article on her website - Treasure Trove - and who has water on the brain and also very sick, must have slipped into the kennel and hid in the back in the corner behind the other two kittens, so no one knew he was there ("escape artist"). To my recollection, Munira Murrey's husband (Harold) was the only other person who handled the carrier. He carried the carrier down their steep driveway and put in my vehicle. He then stood outside my vehicle with my sister where they talked for approx. 30 minutes while I went in the house to pick up the contracts from Ms. Murrey.
When we got the kittens home, we actually didn't notice the little escape artist right away. We left the kennel in the ensuite bathroom with the kennel door open so they could come out on their own when no one was around and they could familiarize themselves with their new surroundings. At some point, the escape artist found somewhere else to hide, so we didn't notice him right away. He actually didn't surface until he was hungry and came looking for something to eat (he was very good at hiding in the most obscure places).
That evening, Ms. Murrey called to say she was sure the kitten had found its way into our kennel while she was putting the other two in it. She went on to say this was the sick kitten she had told us about earlier at the house who had a disease called water on the brain. She said this has happened from time to time in the past where some of her other kittens snuck into kennels with the kittens that were being picked up by the new owners.
At first I had no idea what she was talking about and it was some time later that I discovered he had been hiding out in the bathroom in a heater vent and had come out after dark looking for food.
She called again and told me that same kitten (the escape artist) was worth $5000 and yet she planned to sell him, knowing full well he may not live very long.
In spite of how angry this made me, I agreed to return him to her. I felt this was a another perfect opportunity for her to honor her original agreement to sell me the silver male himalayan persian she originally promised me, but had sold to the woman in Edmonton. She has had many opportunities to do the right thing, and still chose not to.
While we were playing with the other two kittens, the short-haired male exotic kitten she sold to me instead of the one she originally promised me, bit my sister when one of the dogs walked into the room. We had to rush her to a Clinic to get a tetnus shot. We then returned the short haired exotic to Ms. Murrey the same day because my sister did not want it. We agreed to meet outside the Buckerfields store in Kelowna. At this point, I asked her for a refund, but she refused and drove off to Vancouver with her husband to deliver another persian to someone else, leaving me standing there after she took back the exotic short-haired kitten, but refused to refund the $700 I paid for him. I then asked to have the kitten back, but she refused to return him to me.
Very upset that I had just paid $2200 for one pet kitten worth no more than $700, I then went to my bank and was successful in stopping payment on the cheque. I had the opportunity to explain the situation to the bank manager and warned them this could get ugly if she should show up at the bank. Moments later as I was leavng, she walked in the door of my home branch in Kelowna, grabbed me by the arm and pushed me towards the counter where the tellers were. In a loud voice she threatened me saying I could not leave until my $2200 cheque clearned (this was for payment of one female persian because she had the other second exotic kitten that she would not give back to me).
She obviously felt I had good reason to stop payment of the cheque in the first place to show up at my branch and make a scene as she did.
Because I'm a reasonable person, I agreed to cancel the stop payment and she was able to cash my cheque for $2200. I was trusting her to do the honorable thing and give me the second kitten she originally promised me and which I paid $700 for (the silver male persian she still had but also promised to the woman in Edmonton).
Contrary to what she wrote in the Mission Hill Persians website, I at no time asked for reward money as I was not aware of any reward being offered for the lost kitten. If I wanted reward money for finding and returning the lost kitten, why would I give her $2200 when she still owed me $700? Makes no sense.
I was legally entitled to a refund when I returned the exotic. When I realized she would not provide me with any type of guarantee that she was going to replace the exotic, I felt I had no choice but to put that stop payment on my $2200 cheque. I asked the bank to let the cheque go through because she was threatening me with all manner of things and using her son, who she said is a lawyer, to scare me into submission. In the end, I basically ended up with only one kitten, but paid her for two.
After much discussion, on the day I was leaving Kelowna, she finally agreed to contact Lisa Reece, the woman in Edmonton, to explain she had originally promised the male silver himalyan to me. Fortunately, she had not shipped him to Edmonton yet. Any other honorable breeder would have just sold me the kitten they originally promised me in the first place, instead of misleading me and sending me on a wild goose chase. To date, she has demonstrated nothing but how ungrateful and unappreciative she is to us for finding and returning the lost kitten to her.
Several witnesses and myself met in the parking lot of Tim Hortons to exchange kittens. As a precaution, I contacted the Kelowna RCMP to alert them of the meeting and they agreed to stand by in case there was an altercation.
As I anticipated, Ms. Murrey was still dishonest to the bitter end and tried to reneg on the promise to deliver the silver male persian. She had also cashed the cheque, so had the full amount of $2200 now. As there were several witnesses present at the time, she changed her mind yet again, but eventually agreed to honor her original agreement (for the umpteenth time) and finally handed over the silver male persian. After making sure he was safely out of her view so she couldn't grab him and take him back as she had tried a couple of times already, we went back to her car in the parking lot to sign the contracts. It was the most unpleasant situation and we couldn't wait to get away from her.
Both contracts state Munira Murrey would send me the registration papers once the kittens were spayed and neutered. The female persian's contract reads as follows:
"The kitten must be spayed by the age of 6 months latest. She must not be used for breeding ... Registration papers and/or pedigree will be provided once the kitten has been spayed and a veterinary certificate of altering is provided."
On October 20, 2011 (exactly 6 months old to the day), I had the white female spayed in accordance with the contract, but Ms. Murrey refused to send me the registration papers. I have sent her 5 emails reminding her to send me the papers and have given her the Certificate of Spay 4 times, but she has refused to provide me with the papers, even though the $1500 I paid was to include registration papers. Below is the date and time of my most recent email to her:
From: J
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 12:08 AM
To: 'Munira Murrey, Missionhill Persians & Exotics, Kelowna ([email protected])'
Subject: 5TH REMINDER for Registration/Pedigree Papers for female persian (**aka Jubilee)
Importance: High
In fact, she contacted the Vet Clinic to tell them the Certificate of Spay was not accurate because it did not show the name she had given the cat 'Jubilee'. Instead, the Certificate showed the name I chose for her. The fact the species, age, breed and color are all identical to what is in the contract was irrelevant to Ms. Murrey. Furthermore, the name 'Jubilee' does not appear anywhere on the contract she drew up. She knows the cat I have is the same cat she sold me and yet she is playing these ridiculous games.
She told me several stories over the course of those 3 days, including how her son is a lawyer, how sick her husband is, how their home burned down during the fire storm, how a woman who had bought a kitten from her, but was forced to return it because Munira told the vet it has some horrible disease. These were all red flags that should have alerted me to the fact she is a very troubled woman and I should have just left without buying any kittens.
Her unstableness became apparent when on October 5, 2011, I received an email from her demanding I return the kitten I purchased from her in September, saying he was not legally mine and that she was not going to give me registration papers for either of the kittens I purchased from her, and I quote "You can return my silver kitten back to me in as good condition as when you received him and once he is veterinary checked as being healthy you will get a refund of $700. - Munira Murrey"
In email dated October 5, 2011 from Munira Murrey, she states, and I quote "I can type up a pedigree for my chinchilla girl and will send it to you once she is spayed and I get a veterinarian's certificate to this effect. You will not be getting the registration papers for her. I did you a favour of letting you purchase this kitten that was NOT FOR SALE at $1,000 less than she would be valued at if I sold her to a show/breeder home. - Munira Murrey
To date, she has not acknowledged a single email from me and has not sent me the registration/pedigree papers for the spayed female as promised in the contract she signed on September 26, 2011.
Now things get even more bizarre ~~~
I do not believe it is a coincidence that both Persians she sold me were both very sick, as the "lost" Persian that snuck into the kennel with mine was also very sick with a different type of disease (water on the brain).
Both cats she sold me are sick to this day. The white persian contracted a highly contagious herpes viral infection while in her care and apparently it's common amongst catteries where there are several cats (she had approx. 25-30). She has a corneal ulcer which will cost $1600 to operate and there is no guarantee the ulcer will not come back. She may lose her vision in the infected eye completely, and worse, the infection could transfer to the other eye as well, leaving both eyes infected and this incurable virus could leave her completely blind. To date since September, 2011, I have spent over $2500 in vet care and vets anticipate this will be an ongoing problem for the life of the kitten, who just turned one year old on April 21, 2012.
The male persian (1 year old in July/12) has his own list of health issues. He has a condition known as reverse sneezing and may also have a corneal ulcer from having been around Ms. Murrey's cats for the first 5 months before I got him.
The contract Ms. Murrey drew up and signed states the following:
"Seller guarantees that the cat described above is in good health at the time of purchase. If examination by a licensed veterinarian within 72 hours of possession reveals otherwise, seller will replace the cat with one of equal quality. If the cat dies within the first two years of a genetic health defect, seller will replace the cat for one of equal quality upon availability basis upon receipt of a detailed necropsy report by a Veterinarian outlining the alleged health defect ..."
Posted are two pictures of the female persian's infected left eye. As you can see, the Corneal Ulcer is very large to the point she cannot keep her eye completely open in the second picture.
Below is an excerpt of what a vet specializing in cats wrote concerning the Corneal Ulcer:
_____________________________________________
From: Dr *
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 7:45 PM
To: J...
Subject: RE: D
Hi J...,I'm not sure quite where to start, but I will try to answer questions one by one and just let me know if I've missed anything.
Re: staining both eyes. Checking a fluorescein dye test on both eyes (and thus also on both nasolacrimal ducts) is standard procedure during an opthalmic exam. Although D's corneal scarring and ulceration is visible to the naked eye, that is not always the case. Dye tests can show us corneal swelling and pinpoint ulcers and early ucers that are not otherwise visible. So it is best to do a complete opthalmic exam rather than half. The good news was that D's right eye looked great. However, both nasolacrimal ducts are not patent.
Re: treating both eyes. As we've discussed, the feline herpes virus is one of the most common causes of corneal ulcers and eye infections in cats. We are currently doing some presumptive treatment for FHV by treating her with an anti-viral opthalmic suspension and oral lysine. (She has 'geographical ulcer' which is quite common with FHV.) Sometimes eye infections can transfer to the (previously) non-affected eye, so sometimes we recommend treating both eyes even if only one is currently an issue.
Re: referral to opthalmologist. The sooner a specialist is involved in the management of any medical problem, the better. In D's case, given the large surface area of her corneal ulcer, I believe she should be referred as quickly as possible (and I believe she was on the 12th). However, I would absolutely advise against skipping the treatments I have prescribed to D. The opthalmologist may change doses and add on other treatments, but please continue to administer her idoxuridine, Fucithalmic, and lysine as prescribed.
Re: itchy ear. D did not have contact with any other cat while she was in the clinic, and every kennel and surface is sterilized prior to a patient coming into contact with those surfaces. I suspect that she may either be scratching/pawing at her left eye, or she may have some mild ear inflammation which is causing her to itch - this could be caused by allergies (food, environmental), infection, or simply excessive wax production. Ear mites can also cause itchy ears of course, but I don't see any note in her file about suspecting mites. That said, I have seen Persians come infested with ear mites from their breeders, so it's not impossible that she could have a mild mite infection. She just would not have been able to pick it up at the clinic. Regarding transmission of infections to your other Persian though, FHV is easily transmitted to other cats. Presuming your other kitty is up to date on vaccines and has a good immune system, she ought to be able to deal with the virus without suffering a clinical infection.
As for D's diagnoses - she does not have many definitive diagnoses, although she does have multiple problems:
1) Large geographical corneal ulcer, left eye, with secondary bacterial infection.
Treated with: tobramycin opthalmic drops (discontinued use), Fucithalmic gel, Idoxuridine opthalmic drops, and lysine
2) FLUTD - feline lower urinary tract diseaseTreated with: attempting to transition to a canned diet
3) Constipation Treated with: Microlax Enema
4) Weight loss (3.72 kg to 3.59 kg) Treated with: supportive overnight care (as below)
5) FUO - fever of unknown origin Treated with: subcutaneous (SQ) fluids, 500 mcg Vitamin B12 SQ injection, temperature monitoring in clinic
6) Obstructed/stenotic nasolacrimal ducts
Treatment: none - likely secondary to infection or simply breed-related problem
Recommendation for further treatments/tests (ideally):
- (opthalmologist referral - done)
- viral testing
- repeat dye tests
- feline blood screen
- repeat urinalysis
- urine culture and sensitivity
- pain control for urinary discomfort
I hope this helps. How is Miss D doing at home currently? If you can update the girls on Sunday, that would be great. :)
Dr *
_____________________________________________________________
Below is an excerpt of what a specialist (opthalmologist) wrote concerning the Corneal Ulcer:
From: Dr *
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:09 AM
To: J
Subject: D
Hi J,
We spoke on the phone last night, but I'll just write a brief summary here of what we know is happening with your girl and a bit about what we discussed. Since I haven't actually seen her myself, I will also leave the file for Dr. *'s review for when she in back in the clinic after the Easter weekend.
D has a large corneal ulcer on her left eye which is in the process of healing. Corneal ulcers are most commonly caused in cats by the Feline Herpes Virus (FHV), although there are other infectious diseases that can cause ulcers as well. Persian & Himalayan kitties can also develop corneal ulcers without the presence of infectious agents because of their 'brachycephalic' (smush-faced) anatomy which results in their eyes protruding abnormally from their sockets. The protrusion means that the tear film may not be swept across the entire surface of the cornea fully while blinking, and this can result in corneal ulceration due to dryness.
The ointment that D has been prescribed will act as both a lubricant for her eye as well as an antibiotic to prevent secondary infections from setting in (and preventing the ulcer from healing). There are further tests that can be done to determine the underlying cause of D's ulcer, and if you wish to have these performed we can do so. There is always the option to refer her to an opthalmologist for assessment as well. I am attaching a link here to an article about corneal ulcers in cats:
http://www.petplace.com/cats/corneal-ulceration-in-cats/page1.aspx
D also has blood in her urine and was experiencing painful urination. Her urine test revealed highly concentrated urine and a lot of blood; there were no bacteria, crystals, or inflammatory cells seen. However, a urinary tract infection cannot be ruled out entirely without doing a urine culture, and we cannot rule out urinary stones definitively without doing an ultrasound. I suspect that D may have "Feline Idiopathic Cystitis," but we cannot say that with certainty unless we rule out other possibilities with more tests. One of the best ways to 'treat' any of the possible causes (and prevent recurrence) is to feed her a wet diet so that she produces more dilute urine. However, I understand your little girl (along with your other Persian kitty) is a finicky lady and prefers her kibble. Given that she seems to be urinating more easily now, it sounds like the issue may be resolving ... that said, it would be a very good idea to repeat a urine test in several weeks to ensure that there is not still blood present in her urine (it is not always visible to the naked eye). I'm attaching a link to a couple of great articles here about cat urinary troubles:
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=633
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=612
I hope she's doing well, and we'll be in touch soon to get an update! :)
Dr *, DVM
* Vet Clinic
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U P D A T E:
I received an email on May 26, 2012 from CFA Cattery Reviews advising this breeder has some very serious complaints against this woman, Munira Murrey, owner of Mission Hill Persians in Kelowna.Please go to this page and scroll 7/8 down and look for Mission Hill Persians. Then all the way over on the right hand side you will see 1, 2, 3 complaints. Click on that:
http://ca-catbreeders.info/location-canada.html
Hopefully, this clears up any misunderstanding after reading Munira Murrey's fabricated story about us on her website.
I am proud to say I had the pleasure of having 2 beautiful Persians in my life over the years, both of which were extremely healthy and beautiful and lived long and happy contented lives. Jacqui lived to be 21; Krystl lived to be 16.5 and we had to say goodbye to her on March 4, 2011.
It is my prayer these two one-year old Persians I have now will lead long and healthy lives, but only God knows what's in store for them at this time.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and any comments or suggestions would be sincerely appreciated.
Please read my Blog: http://jennydodi.wordpress.com/2012/05/26/munira-murrey-of-mission-hill-persians-kelowna/
Jenny, Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Everyone knows Jenny Forst is a narcissist, thief and habitual liar
#2General Comment
Mon, September 24, 2018
Please do not be misled by Jenny Forst. She is a overt narcissist, thief and a liar. She must have a ton of time on her hands to painstakingly dream up such nonsense regarding Munira Murrey of Mission Hill Persians. How does your sister feel now that you have involved her in this hideous mess ? I know she enabled you in the past but this must have caused an extreme embarrasment for her. Are you two even speaking ? Hope you didn't cause her to lose her job and all that respect she earned over the years. I hope she cut you off and eliminated you from her life.
I wish everyone's life you have destroyed had a chance to post something. There wouldn't be enough room on this website if they all posted the negativity and heartache you have caused over the years.
There are several video's on YouTube about Jenny Forst, just enter "Narcisists" in the search box and get ready to be amazed.
jf
Vancouver,British Columbia,
THE TRUTH: Munira Murrey is A LIAR - read about it here
#3Author of original report
Mon, March 25, 2013
Munira Murrey is a liar and the following people who suffered at the hands of Munira Murrey help vindicate Jenny Forst and her sister:
This says it all:
http://ca-catbreeders.info/comments-missionhillpersians.html
Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted on SUBMITTED: Fri, October 25, 2011
I don't know ------, but I DO know Munira Murray and what I find 'interesting' is that Munira Murray in her own opinion, is never wrong. Everyone else is wrong. I am a breeder and I know many many other breeders who have approached me over the years who all say exactly the same thing: Munira Murray of Missionhill Persians cannot and will not ever accept responsibility for anything. If she sends a cat that is not well, or in bad shape, she will turn it around and accuse the other person of sending the disease to Munira in the first place. It seems to me very sad that Munira will not take any responsibility but what is worse - she causes so many people such UNNECESSARY anguish and stress by lying, blacklisting them, writing slanderous emails, refusing to replace or refund for her mistakes - etc. We are all breeders with ethics - we are human - sometimes we make mistakes and sometimes those mistakes may be very sad and tragic - but we OWN them! and we accept them! and we do whatever it takes to correct them! And sometimes we correct mistakes that are not necessarily ones WE have made - but it seems to me it is better to do that, than to have one sad person with no one to turn to for help in dealing with the situation. Far better to reach out and attempt to take on part of the pain, then to spread even more pain and stress. Yes, Munira's son is a lawyer and yes Munira throwns his name around as a threat to everyone that she is correct and no one else dare speak up. If I did that to my own son, he would hide his head in shame! Who knows?? and shame on Munira for passing around such private information as ------ cell number!! when Munira herself hides behind blocking people's emails!
Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted at October 21, 2011
No, Munira, its not my experience with a kitten that I purchased; we are seing that its the experience of MANY people that purchases cats from you. You are wrong again; thats something that you use to do for soo many years: you think that people wishes to get A MISSIONHILL cat through any other breeder. Thats not truth. I didnt want a kitten FROM Monarch; I was buying a lovely Purrsatin kitten. But happens that your lines is everywhere, so, even if someone would want to avoid it, would be quite difficult to get a Silver without any MissionHill behind. Yes, you are right - the breeding doubled up a line of cats - YOURS. The pedigree is attached. When I asked to ---- about a baby, I even didnt know the lines that the kitten was coming from. Never mind, I wanted that baby, from a honest and nice breeder. Thats all. And the same I intended when I asked a baby from you - really, several, several years ago. MANY time ago. But, here, God determines which cat is coming to His breding program - my cattery is not mine, is His. When I try a new kitten and it doesnt work, not soo later I hear about problems - several and serious - and then I understand why He didnt allow me to have this or that kitten. And I am grateful for Him to take such a good care of me and my childrens, thats what my cats are for me. Not simply animals are you wanted people believes, they are not caged, are happy, free and sleep in my bed to the point to throw me away - or over me, and I cant move for dont wake up them. Right now, I do have both couches full of them, sleeping and waiting for the kisses of mommy. They are ALL used with it. When I travel, I have to call to home and speak on the phone with many, or they stops eating when I travel. They are bathed weekly with Eqyss, Jerob, EZ Groom and similar products; my combs are all Greyhound. My hair will NEVER see the texturizers that my cats use every week, no matter if its a show cat or a spaid one that will never attend a show. Attends me like dogs, obey me, comes when I call, my cats enchantes everyone that comes to visit us. They shines of love and care , and I am reference of quality, respected and loved (or hated, as I dont sell my cats for breeding here for NOTHING in this world) in the whole country. Only in your mouth I am horrible in all the meanings. I dont remember you saying anything about the interbreeding of Monarch, even why, I didnt breed this line, as Millie has died with hydrocephaly exactly 4 months old - 2 weeks after I arrive from Germany with her. And, NO, ---- didnt sold Monarch for anyone - MONARCH DIED around one year later than Millie did. Thats NOT truth what you are saying. ---- is being forard this message, in despite she doesnt speak english, she must to be aware of what you are accusing her publicly. But, now, is occuring me a question... if you have told about it (I really dont remember), you knew that this line was potential for problems; if you knew, why you sold these lines for breeding?
Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted at October 23, 2011
Yes, I agree that people need to be more aware of this woman. Many people I speak to - and not usually even about Munira! - bring up her name and ask if I know her and then usually will tell me a few things along this line - but I sense a lot of reluctance to share the whole scenario - because they fear what she can do to them!! She supposedly is of sterling reputation - but behind the scenes, we definitely know better. She always has an excuse - and is always 'away' when things go awry. If the cat ate tuna is was because Munira fed it tuna. If she goes away, she leaves sufficient food for the cats and strict orders about how, when and what to feed, etc. So we can presume this is another lie to avoid taking responsibility and yes, even so - why on earth would she ship a cat in that condition without alerting the buyer??? I was afraid to join this list and I know Munira will attack me yet again, but truth be told, I don't care much anymore as I see a definite pattern outside of my own experience - which somehow helps to vindicate me! thanks!
Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted at March 24, 2011
I must say that it doesn't surprise me that Munira chose to quit the group as this is very typical of her behaviour. She loves to strike and hurt and then quickly withdraw whereby she will wait for her chance to strike again. Similar behaviour can be found in true psychopaths, interestingly enough. (that was my study of interest when I was taking my ----- courses.) It is a bit reminiscent also of snake-like behaviour, to my mind's eye. She doesn't like to see that people disagree with her and again, she exhibits the same tendency via email. After starting the arguments and attacking people, she will say the most terrible things and before one can write again in their own defence, she blocks their email - and paradoxically, she will continue to send them emails of attack! My good friend ---- was a recent victim where Munira called the RCMP and told them that ---- was harassing her - the Constable just laughed - Munira had already blocked ---- - but after the RCMP report, she continued to write nasty emails to ---- - is this not harassment?? Too weird! Don't be surprised if she surfaces in the Group again - or in a similar one.
Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted at October 25, 2011
If you got an email from Munira about litter registrations from Monet not being approved with TICA and being approved with CFA. I don't keep all the emails from nasty correspondance I delete them and get that waster of time out of my life.
This was my only way to get my cat back from Munira. I was angry at what she did and my way of getting back was to stop the litter registrations. I called the police and they would not help me get my cat back without a court order. They said they could come to witness but could not physically make her give back the cat. To give her litter registrations was the only way to get my cat back. She used had him four months and charged me for board. I asked her 500.00 for stud. I sent my story to both CFA and to TICA. She is so cheap and she basicly got him free or better yet paid to use him. She works with her cats in pet homes did you know that? Who knows what other cats those people have that can expose all kinds of bacterias and viruses the show cats of hers in the pet homes?
Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted at October 25, 2011
What has been placed there are facts and testimonies. You may can not like this, but thats what you have asked: facts, testimonies and e-mails from people that felt damaged. Was a dennounce, the affected/mentioned people joined the ---- as soon as you got, and started to share their experiences and feelings. Including me, I am also a member and a breeder for who you have spoke very bad.
You shouldnt be having fun on the sorrow of the others - thats very evil. You should be using your time and mind in a productive manner, not to make such a malign goal as a main priority in your days. If you dont respect the feelings of the others, provoke suffering and yet despize it 'having fun' to even spine more yet over people, you really disappoint me deeply. Thats not the idea that I had about you.
Munira, since you are sharing publicly personal e-mails you changed with others - often and for MANY years, and without their permissions, and worse, as a GUN against others, you dont deserve any kind of apologizes - you are doing worst than I ever did. You are acting with malice and with bad intention, and it just show that you are not a nice person, how can you not show any kind of solidarity with people that had suffered soo much with the cats you sold to them?
Plus, someone that use one e-mail with apologizes for 15 years shows how black your heart is. You are using this to blackmail me too? How can you use a apologize to black mail someone? Of course you are not going to overcharge me because of this, Munira. To share a e-mail its not a dead crime as you want to make it seems. In that e-mail didnt have anything SOOO bad like you want to seem.
I can also find your message and share again (thats not what you have been ASKED for?), and we can let people judge ONE MORE thing you want to use to attack people - in despite of, actually, you dont need any reason to attack anyone, its enough someone have good cats for you start your target on the poor one, as you have spoken very badly about me for soo many, without even know me, without to have a cat from me or with NO info about my cattery. Instead - you are selling sick cats that dont last more than 5, 6 years - what its your point, just working to try to divert the attention from you? So, who are you to point fingers to anyone? Look at you - do you have any mirror in your home?
So, I will make it VERY CLEAR to you - I RETIRE MY APOLOGIZE, Munira. You dont deserve a apologize if you do the very same thing, but not just once and neither innocently, but for MANY MANY years, and with malice. Thats incredible that someone can use AN APOLOGIZE to blackmail someone. I feel like to say 'I am sorry" for the demon. Finally, what you are doing just speaks more and more about you. You are burning yourself to the ground, sending private e-mails that has been shared on the list and have been spraid around. People is doing exactly what you have done with many.
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jf
Vancouver,British Columbia,
Complaints about Missionhill Persians Cattery and lies about Jenny Forst
#4Author of original report
Sun, March 24, 2013
Munira Murrey is a liar and the following people who suffered at the hands of Munira Murrey help vindicate Jenny Forst and her sister:
This says it all:
http://ca-catbreeders.info/comments-missionhillpersians.html
Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted on SUBMITTED: Fri, October 25, 2011
I don't know ------, but I DO know Munira Murray and what I find 'interesting' is that Munira Murray in her own opinion, is never wrong. Everyone else is wrong. I am a breeder and I know many many other breeders who have approached me over the years who all say exactly the same thing: Munira Murray of Missionhill Persians cannot and will not ever accept responsibility for anything. If she sends a cat that is not well, or in bad shape, she will turn it around and accuse the other person of sending the disease to Munira in the first place. It seems to me very sad that Munira will not take any responsibility but what is worse - she causes so many people such UNNECESSARY anguish and stress by lying, blacklisting them, writing slanderous emails, refusing to replace or refund for her mistakes - etc. We are all breeders with ethics - we are human - sometimes we make mistakes and sometimes those mistakes may be very sad and tragic - but we OWN them! and we accept them! and we do whatever it takes to correct them! And sometimes we correct mistakes that are not necessarily ones WE have made - but it seems to me it is better to do that, than to have one sad person with no one to turn to for help in dealing with the situation. Far better to reach out and attempt to take on part of the pain, then to spread even more pain and stress. Yes, Munira's son is a lawyer and yes Munira throwns his name around as a threat to everyone that she is correct and no one else dare speak up. If I did that to my own son, he would hide his head in shame! Who knows?? and shame on Munira for passing around such private information as ------ cell number!! when Munira herself hides behind blocking people's emails!
Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted at October 21, 2011
No, Munira, its not my experience with a kitten that I purchased; we are seing that its the experience of MANY people that purchases cats from you. You are wrong again; thats something that you use to do for soo many years: you think that people wishes to get A MISSIONHILL cat through any other breeder. Thats not truth. I didnt want a kitten FROM Monarch; I was buying a lovely Purrsatin kitten. But happens that your lines is everywhere, so, even if someone would want to avoid it, would be quite difficult to get a Silver without any MissionHill behind. Yes, you are right - the breeding doubled up a line of cats - YOURS. The pedigree is attached. When I asked to ---- about a baby, I even didnt know the lines that the kitten was coming from. Never mind, I wanted that baby, from a honest and nice breeder. Thats all. And the same I intended when I asked a baby from you - really, several, several years ago. MANY time ago. But, here, God determines which cat is coming to His breding program - my cattery is not mine, is His. When I try a new kitten and it doesnt work, not soo later I hear about problems - several and serious - and then I understand why He didnt allow me to have this or that kitten. And I am grateful for Him to take such a good care of me and my childrens, thats what my cats are for me. Not simply animals are you wanted people believes, they are not caged, are happy, free and sleep in my bed to the point to throw me away - or over me, and I cant move for dont wake up them. Right now, I do have both couches full of them, sleeping and waiting for the kisses of mommy. They are ALL used with it. When I travel, I have to call to home and speak on the phone with many, or they stops eating when I travel. They are bathed weekly with Eqyss, Jerob, EZ Groom and similar products; my combs are all Greyhound. My hair will NEVER see the texturizers that my cats use every week, no matter if its a show cat or a spaid one that will never attend a show. Attends me like dogs, obey me, comes when I call, my cats enchantes everyone that comes to visit us. They shines of love and care , and I am reference of quality, respected and loved (or hated, as I dont sell my cats for breeding here for NOTHING in this world) in the whole country. Only in your mouth I am horrible in all the meanings. I dont remember you saying anything about the interbreeding of Monarch, even why, I didnt breed this line, as Millie has died with hydrocephaly exactly 4 months old - 2 weeks after I arrive from Germany with her. And, NO, ---- didnt sold Monarch for anyone - MONARCH DIED around one year later than Millie did. Thats NOT truth what you are saying. ---- is being forard this message, in despite she doesnt speak english, she must to be aware of what you are accusing her publicly. But, now, is occuring me a question... if you have told about it (I really dont remember), you knew that this line was potential for problems; if you knew, why you sold these lines for breeding?
Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted at October 23, 2011
Yes, I agree that people need to be more aware of this woman. Many people I speak to - and not usually even about Munira! - bring up her name and ask if I know her and then usually will tell me a few things along this line - but I sense a lot of reluctance to share the whole scenario - because they fear what she can do to them!! She supposedly is of sterling reputation - but behind the scenes, we definitely know better. She always has an excuse - and is always 'away' when things go awry. If the cat ate tuna is was because Munira fed it tuna. If she goes away, she leaves sufficient food for the cats and strict orders about how, when and what to feed, etc. So we can presume this is another lie to avoid taking responsibility and yes, even so - why on earth would she ship a cat in that condition without alerting the buyer??? I was afraid to join this list and I know Munira will attack me yet again, but truth be told, I don't care much anymore as I see a definite pattern outside of my own experience - which somehow helps to vindicate me! thanks!
Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted at March 24, 2011
I must say that it doesn't surprise me that Munira chose to quit the group as this is very typical of her behaviour. She loves to strike and hurt and then quickly withdraw whereby she will wait for her chance to strike again. Similar behaviour can be found in true psychopaths, interestingly enough. (that was my study of interest when I was taking my ----- courses.) It is a bit reminiscent also of snake-like behaviour, to my mind's eye. She doesn't like to see that people disagree with her and again, she exhibits the same tendency via email. After starting the arguments and attacking people, she will say the most terrible things and before one can write again in their own defence, she blocks their email - and paradoxically, she will continue to send them emails of attack! My good friend ---- was a recent victim where Munira called the RCMP and told them that ---- was harassing her - the Constable just laughed - Munira had already blocked ---- - but after the RCMP report, she continued to write nasty emails to ---- - is this not harassment?? Too weird! Don't be surprised if she surfaces in the Group again - or in a similar one.
Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted at October 25, 2011
If you got an email from Munira about litter registrations from Monet not being approved with TICA and being approved with CFA. I don't keep all the emails from nasty correspondance I delete them and get that waster of time out of my life.
This was my only way to get my cat back from Munira. I was angry at what she did and my way of getting back was to stop the litter registrations. I called the police and they would not help me get my cat back without a court order. They said they could come to witness but could not physically make her give back the cat. To give her litter registrations was the only way to get my cat back. She used had him four months and charged me for board. I asked her 500.00 for stud. I sent my story to both CFA and to TICA. She is so cheap and she basicly got him free or better yet paid to use him. She works with her cats in pet homes did you know that? Who knows what other cats those people have that can expose all kinds of bacterias and viruses the show cats of hers in the pet homes?
Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted at October 25, 2011
What has been placed there are facts and testimonies. You may can not like this, but thats what you have asked: facts, testimonies and e-mails from people that felt damaged. Was a dennounce, the affected/mentioned people joined the ---- as soon as you got, and started to share their experiences and feelings. Including me, I am also a member and a breeder for who you have spoke very bad.
You shouldnt be having fun on the sorrow of the others - thats very evil. You should be using your time and mind in a productive manner, not to make such a malign goal as a main priority in your days. If you dont respect the feelings of the others, provoke suffering and yet despize it 'having fun' to even spine more yet over people, you really disappoint me deeply. Thats not the idea that I had about you.
Munira, since you are sharing publicly personal e-mails you changed with others - often and for MANY years, and without their permissions, and worse, as a GUN against others, you dont deserve any kind of apologizes - you are doing worst than I ever did. You are acting with malice and with bad intention, and it just show that you are not a nice person, how can you not show any kind of solidarity with people that had suffered soo much with the cats you sold to them?
Plus, someone that use one e-mail with apologizes for 15 years shows how black your heart is. You are using this to blackmail me too? How can you use a apologize to black mail someone? Of course you are not going to overcharge me because of this, Munira. To share a e-mail its not a dead crime as you want to make it seems. In that e-mail didnt have anything SOOO bad like you want to seem.
I can also find your message and share again (thats not what you have been ASKED for?), and we can let people judge ONE MORE thing you want to use to attack people - in despite of, actually, you dont need any reason to attack anyone, its enough someone have good cats for you start your target on the poor one, as you have spoken very badly about me for soo many, without even know me, without to have a cat from me or with NO info about my cattery. Instead - you are selling sick cats that dont last more than 5, 6 years - what its your point, just working to try to divert the attention from you? So, who are you to point fingers to anyone? Look at you - do you have any mirror in your home?
So, I will make it VERY CLEAR to you - I RETIRE MY APOLOGIZE, Munira. You dont deserve a apologize if you do the very same thing, but not just once and neither innocently, but for MANY MANY years, and with malice. Thats incredible that someone can use AN APOLOGIZE to blackmail someone. I feel like to say 'I am sorry" for the demon. Finally, what you are doing just speaks more and more about you. You are burning yourself to the ground, sending private e-mails that has been shared on the list and have been spraid around. People is doing exactly what you have done with many.
Missionhill Persians Cattery
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Missionhill Persians Cattery
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Missionhill Persians Cattery
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CFA Cattery Reviews 2002-2012
jf
Vancouver,Canada
Do not believe anything written by Munira Murrey against Jenny Forst
#5Author of original report
Tue, October 23, 2012
If you want to find out what kind of person Munira Murrey really is, just buy a sick and diseased pet cat from her for $1500. Guaranteed she will show no mercy or compassion, nor will she reimburse vet bills. You are stuck unless you take the matter to court.
Hiba
United States of AmericaHave dealt with Munira Murrey
#6Consumer Comment
Mon, August 27, 2012
I have come into contact with Munira Murrey in 2010 after my himalayan died. Munira was supportive all the way in helping me pick a cat that suited what I wanted in terms of looks, budget, and lifestyle. She was kind enough to spend three months emailing, knowing that I was not purchasing a 3000$ but only adopting a retired cat.
As for the cats' health: I ended up adopting a male and a female silver Persians from Missionhill. Munira was very straightforward about the quality and health of both cats. I was told that my male cat was not PKD negative upfront. That of course meant attention to his litter habits, to his water supply, and to suitable food to prevent any kidney issues.
Having been to Munira's cattery (and home) several times, not once did Munira have that number of kittens and cats. The cat runs are also always clean, and the cats are always so well groomed that they all look like they're on a show day. Munira cares deeply about her cats and she emails me any new info that might be useful for taking care of them, for example food recalls etc. She also never imposed any kind of diet except advising the obvious.
When my male had a stud's tail (and I didn't know what that was!) I just emailed Munira photos of his condition and explained what was going on.
All in all, that is not the behavior of a "breeder" only interested in money. Munira has not made a dime out of my relationship with her since 2010, yet she continues to answer questions and offer advice and support. My cats have not had a single health issue. And yes, Persian cats sneeze and their eyes are prone to infections if not washed every day.
