In August 2016 I ordered a roll top desk and a chair to be delivered to my house in Montana. I arranged and paid for an in-house delivery, and the company knew there would be a set of stairs to deal with. The moving company hired by MO attempted to deliver the items in late October 2016 and could not because, as they said, they needed more than two guys to carry the items up the stairs. The guys from the moving company left with the understanding they would return with more help. When we got no further response from Modern Office or the moving company, we decided to cancel the order. We were told by Laurie at MO that the cost to send the items back to MN would be $167.17. We argued, correctly, that the issue was not our fault, and that the moving company was refusing, for whatever reason, to deliver the items. Then we found out we were charged $438.04 for the return of the items, instead of the $167. This was done without our knowledge or authorization.
As my husband and I both told Laurie at MO, the issues with the moving company lie with Modern Office, not with us. I purchased items that the moving company hired by MO refused to deliver, and I withheld no information about my house or where the items would go. All I heard from MO was, 'No problem' I've had few problems in my life this major.
From Modern Office's side, they are saying that the moving company told them they can't get the fully assembled desk up the stairs. That isn't what the delivery guys said when they were at the house, looking at the stairs, and saying this is no problem. The delivery guys reiterated that the items were too heavy for two workers. Period. I will not even go into my dealings with the owner of the delivery company, who apparently had the contact with MO. He was rude, short and unaccommodating, even before the issue became an issue, and this is who MO chooses to do business with. I, of course, couldn't care less who MO does business with. I want my money. The problem could have been solved in October 2016 by simply sending two more guys, for a total of 4 people to deliver a desk and a chair.
What we want now is a refund of the $438.04 amount we were unfairly charged for the return of items Modern Office couldn't deliver.
When we asked to speak to the owner, (Reese someone, I think) we were denied. Flat out.
Between October 2016 and April 28 2017 we have been in contact with Modern Office on numerous occasions with no satisfactory settlement, or even an attempt on their part to recify this. The incredible lack of customer service and lack of mature, intellegent reasoning over this issue is astounding, which is why I've had to resort to reporting them. Nothing else has worked.
Julie
Los Angeles,#2Author of original report
Mon, November 06, 2017
The customer requested In-Home Delivery. For In-Home Delivery, the furniture mover will deliver inside the home, but they will not deliver to locations within the home that are not accessible or where they cannot do so safely.
NONSENSE. LAURIE KNEW FROM THE MOMENT I PLACED THE ORDER THAT THE DESK WOULD GO UPSTAIRS, AND THE MOVING GUYS TOLD ME THEY COULD DO IT, BUT THEY NEEDED TWO MORE GUYS BECAUSE THE DESK WAS TOO HEAVY. THEY NEVER ONCE SAID THE STAIRWAY WAS UNNAVIGATABLE. THE MOVING CO IS LYING TO MOF.
The customer asked the mover to deliver upstairs to their loft. The furniture mover alerted us that what the customer wanted was not safe or possible due to the configuration of the stairway. The customer mentioned using four people for the delivery. Even with four people it would not be possible considering the lifting height, angle, and turning required to navigate the stairway. In addition, the mover pointed out that there would not be room for four people to maneuver. The mover has decades of experience and knows the hazards of a delivery like this. Four people plus the weight of the desk would be over 1,000 lbs. Would the customer's stairs and loft support such weight? What if the moving company employees were injured or the desk or home were damaged?
I HAVE A LARGE HOME IN MONTANA WITH A WIDE STAIRCASE THAT IS BUILT TO WITHSTAND ANYTHING. IT IS NOT A LOFT. IT IS IN A BEDROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF A 5,000 SQ FT HOME. YOU WERE LIED TO BY THE MOVING CO.
(We have experience with local deliveries such as this one. Customers sometimes have optimistic opinions of what can be done to lift large heavy furniture over railings and around tight turns. As an example, we delivered a similar desk here in Minneapolis where the customer insisted on entry via the stairs to their wood backyard deck. The wood deck collapsed under the weight of the desk and the two movers carrying it. Luckily only the desk was damaged as the movers fell through the deck to the ground below, but the desk was ruined.)
IRRELEVANT TO ME AND MY SITUATION.
It was in the moving company's interest to re-deliver the shipment. Re-delivery meant additional revenue for them. It was at our expense. But they declined because the customer would only accept re-delivery if the desk was carried up to their loft. The owner of the moving company said the risk for damage and injury was too great. We have a letter on file from the moving company's national office confirming this in writing.
NO. YOU NEVER SPOKE TO THE GUY IN CHARGE. I DID. HE HAD NO INTEREST IN DOING BUSINESS WITH ME, I'VE EXPLAINED TO LAURIE AD NAUSEUM..
It was the customer's decision to return the order. The customer said we did nothing.
YOU DID NOTHING
The mover and Modern Office spent much time looking for a solution, but the only solution the customer would accept was delivery to the loft.
CORRECT, AS LAURIE WAS MADE TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE SHE ACCEPTED PAYMENT. NOT A LOFT.
The desk could have been re-delivered to the main level of the customer's home, and they could have made their own arrangements to move it to the loft. Or the desk could have been delivered to alternate movers in the customer's remote region of Montana
NOT WHAT I PAID FOR.
The customer demanded that we order the moving company to do what they wanted.
I DON'T MAKE DEMANDS. I SIMPLY WANTED WHAT I WAS TOLD BY LAURIE AT MOF WAS POSSIBLE.
They also held us accountable for their employees. They said we have a contract with the mover. We do not.
I DON'T CARE. THIS IS NOT MY PROBLEM OR MY CONCERN. MY ISSUE IS WITH MOF.
We knew that return of the desk would result in an unhappy customer and a severe loss for us, so we did what we could to avoid a return.
YOU DID NOTHING.
The desk had to be returned to us without the original crate since it had been discarded.
THE DESK LEFT MY PROPERTY STILL CRATED. I HAVE WITNESSES TO THIS.
The order total was $3448.00 (Desk @ $2799.00 + Chair @ $399.00 + In-Home Delivery @ $250.00). We waived the 25% re-stock fee on the desk and chair, so the customer was refunded $3009.96 ($2799.00 + $399.00 - $188.04 return shipping). The mover performed In-Home Delivery, but the customer refused the shipment since they could not carry the desk up to their loft, so the mover would not refund the $250.00 In-Home Delivery charges
NOT MY PROBLEM. I WANT A REFUND FOR $438.04. IMMEDIATELY.
YOUR LOUSY REVIEWS REFLECT YOUR LOUSY CUSTOMER SERVICE AND AN INABILITY TO ADMIT FAULT AND WRONGDOING. I'M OUT $438.04 FOR PRODUCT I NEVER GOT. I WANT IT REFUNDED. NOW.
Julie
Los Angeles,#3Author of original report
Sun, November 05, 2017
I have no reason to lie about what happened. I want a refund of $438.04 charged to me without permission for the return of the desk.
Reed
Eden Prairie,#4REBUTTAL Owner of company
Tue, October 31, 2017
The customer requested In-Home Delivery. For In-Home Delivery, the furniture mover will deliver inside the home, but they will not deliver to locations within the home that are not accessible or where they cannot do so safely.
The customer asked the mover to deliver upstairs to their loft. The furniture mover alerted us that what the customer wanted was not safe or possible due to the configuration of the stairway. The customer mentioned using four people for the delivery. Even with four people it would not be possible considering the lifting height, angle, and turning required to navigate the stairway. In addition, the mover pointed out that there would not be room for four people to maneuver. The mover has decades of experience and knows the hazards of a delivery like this. Four people plus the weight of the desk would be over 1,000 lbs. Would the customer's stairs and loft support such weight? What if the moving company employees were injured or the desk or home were damaged?
(We have experience with local deliveries such as this one. Customers sometimes have optimistic opinions of what can be done to lift large heavy furniture over railings and around tight turns. As an example, we delivered a similar desk here in Minneapolis where the customer insisted on entry via the stairs to their wood backyard deck. The wood deck collapsed under the weight of the desk and the two movers carrying it. Luckily only the desk was damaged as the movers fell through the deck to the ground below, but the desk was ruined.)
It was in the moving company's interest to re-deliver the shipment. Re-delivery meant additional revenue for them. It was at our expense. But they declined because the customer would only accept re-delivery if the desk was carried up to their loft. The owner of the moving company said the risk for damage and injury was too great. We have a letter on file from the moving company's national office confirming this in writing.
It was the customer's decision to return the order. The customer said we did nothing. The mover and Modern Office spent much time looking for a solution, but the only solution the customer would accept was delivery to the loft. The desk could have been re-delivered to the main level of the customer's home, and they could have made their own arrangements to move it to the loft. Or the desk could have been delivered to alternate movers in the customer's remote region of Montana, but none would take the job knowing that the initial mover said the request to deliver to the loft was not possible.
The customer demanded that we order the moving company to do what they wanted. They also held us accountable for their employees. They said we have a contract with the mover. We do not. The moving company is a common carrier, just like the USPS, UPS, and FedEx. We are unable to order them to do anything or discipline their employees in the same way that we are unable to compel their mail carrier or their UPS driver to follow our orders. In addition, we would not order someone to do something that is not safe or possible and could result in injury or damage to the furniture or the customer's home.
We knew that return of the desk would result in an unhappy customer and a severe loss for us, so we did what we could to avoid a return. The desk had to be returned to us without the original crate since it had been discarded. We had to discount the desk over $1000.00 below cost to sell it in the condition in which it was returned. We absorbed the bulk of the cost of this situation -- well over $1200.00 including outbound shipping.
The order total was $3448.00 (Desk @ $2799.00 + Chair @ $399.00 + In-Home Delivery @ $250.00). We waived the 25% re-stock fee on the desk and chair, so the customer was refunded $3009.96 ($2799.00 + $399.00 - $188.04 return shipping). The mover performed In-Home Delivery, but the customer refused the shipment since they could not carry the desk up to their loft, so the mover would not refund the $250.00 In-Home Delivery charges.